Springfield City Council — February 28, 2022

0:04 All right, I'm going to call the city council work session to order with roll call. Mayor Van Gordon. Here. Councilor Pitts. Councilor Moe. Here. Councilor Rodley. Here. Councilor Stehr. Here. Councilor Woodrow. Here. And Councilor Pishue Nery. I'm here, thank you. Do we have any ETA on Councilor Pitts? All right, I'm going to try to text him here while we're talking. Um, we have a couple of interviews tonight. And I don't know AJ if you want if you want to you are listed as the staff person for everybody. I am filling in for the staff liaisons this evening.

0:49 Um, we have four boards, commissions, and committees that we will be doing interviews for. We will start with the community development advisory committee. We have four applicants for one opening. It is a partial term of two years. And we will start with Robert Nevin. I had a question as to whether we might be able to see a roster for the CEDAC after we do the interviews. Um, there's four people in uh interviewing for one position. Um, and it might be helpful to see the

1:34 roster of the current uh group. Absolutely, I can pull that on the screen. Thank you. Okay, and Robert, we're just getting organized here. We will be right with you. Um, AJ, Damian saying he's in the waiting room. And Neil, could you update us about how many people are joining us at home? Yes, Mayor. We have nine attendees and eight panelists. And there are seven of us here in the council chambers.

2:20 All right. Robert, can you hear us okay? Yeah, I can hear you. Are you in a place where you could turn on your camera? That's what I'm trying to figure out how to do. All right. We're going to do a quick round of introductions and then I'm going to go through and ask all the questions tonight. I'm going to give the rest of the council a chance to take notes while we're while we're discussing this. I'm Sean Van Gordon, the mayor. And we'll go right down by ward. Hi, Damien Pitts, Ward 1. Steve Vote, Ward 2. Corey Rodly, Ward 3.

3:06 Leonard Star, Ward 4. Marilyn Woodrow, Ward 5. Joe Pishner, Ward 6 out of the Thurston area. All right, Rob. Um we're going to go ahead and get started. So, why are you interested in serving on the CEDAC? Um I I I guess I've always been interested in serving on board for a while now and I'd gotten a email from the Chamber of Commerce listed a few different um boards that needed members and that one kind of jumped out at me. I've always been interested in the housing around here, so it it kind of jumped out at me. Could you describe your understanding of the role you you will have in serving on

3:53 C-DAC and how it relates to the work on the council. Um kind of. I wasn't 100% just based off of reading it, but from my understanding uh it's based off of the different grants and money that comes into the community for what seems like low-income housing or re um condensed housing and then part of the board is deciding how that money gets dispersed. And what do you see as current issues and challenges for the city of Springfield? Um as far as like the housing, I think there one, there's obviously not enough. Um it shows just by the real estate market how quickly a house goes on and

4:38 off the market. Um as far as, you know, purchasing a house and then um it seems like, you know, there's not enough housing just period for people with you know, looking to rent, uh lease or whatnot. Um and enough housing to house families. Um there's quite a bit of apartments in here that are probably single to two-bedroom apartments, but not as many that are more than that. So, um I I just, you know, obviously there's an issue with availability. So, All right. Very good. Um that is all the questions that we have for you. So, we're going to go ahead and let you go and go to the interviews and then somebody from the

5:24 staff is going to contact you. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Our next applicant is Melissa Glass and we will get her pulled up momentarily. Can you hear us okay? I can. Oh, excellent. I think I'm turning on the cameras. There we go. Okay. Um did you hear the round of introductions that we did a couple minutes ago?

6:10 Yes, I did. Thank you. Okay. Well, I'm going to ask a couple of questions and then um we'll let everybody else take some notes. So, why are you interested in serving on C-DAC? Well, we are fairly new not just Springfield, but also Oregon. We moved here from Texas um just about a year ago and I'm really interested in getting more involved in the community. I've always been involved in the communities we lived in in Texas and I saw this I think it was on Facebook that I read about it then as I kind of researched a little bit more about it, it just sounded like something that that was a great fit for me. I work with volunteers through Peace Health um and as I'm talking to them and and also just as coming here realized that that housing

6:55 is um definitely a a challenge. Coming from from Texas, it's a little bit different. So, just really wanting to get more involved and kind of work with um just the city council and different members of the community and trying to figure out how we can be a best help to the community. Could you describe your understanding of the role that you will have serving on C-DAC and how it relates to the work of the rest of the council? Yes, so it's uh working with the council and I think there's I think it was said six other community members. Uh correct me if I'm wrong. And it's just helping with the housing um opportunities throughout Springfield. It's it's I think the lower income and um and you know, economically based housing uh especially. I know that it's um it's

7:41 definitely needed. I think it's definitely an improvement over where we were in Texas for sure, but it's something that as we're getting more involved in them, hearing more um, from the volunteers I work with and some of the staff members I work with and just the community in general, it seems to be something that really is in need um, and such an honor to live in an area that addresses the need and really wants to try to find a a fix and a help for the community. And what do you see as the current issues and challenges for the city of Springfield? Um, as far as housing, definitely lack of and um, the the pricing. I think people are getting priced out of homes. Uh, we moved here and we're able to rent, I think right before the housing market went crazy, um, but trying to buy right

8:27 now is not even an option because it's just something goes on the market and it's gone before you can even think about it. Um, I think that's one of the the issues. I think the um, another issue I've noticed as we kind of drive around it is um, it it seems I I love the fact that it that Springfield seems very clean as far as like the streets and and stuff go, but I think sometimes it can be um, also uh, some people's yards and and in areas kind of may look a little bit like they need some help. So, I don't know if there are community organizations that go around and help whether it's older people or disabled people that can't help clean up after themselves, something like that. I think would be would be great, too. So, those are I think probably the two main areas that I would I would love to see more

9:13 help in, especially the Springfield area. All right, and I was supposed to ask a fourth question and the um, we do have a lot of different appointments that are still still open. Would you consider serving on a different board and commission if you were asked? As long as I felt that it was a fit to to me and to my passions and desires, absolutely. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good night. Thanks, you too. Our next interview is going to be Rebecca Kishiro and she will be up momentarily.

10:03 Hello, thank you for having me today. Hi Rebecca. Um did you join at 5:30? Did you hear the round of introductions that we already did? I did. Okay, great. Then we were going to go ahead and get started. Why are you interested in serving on the Seatac? Well, my partner and I moved to Oregon well, moved to Springfield, Oregon about 3 and 1/2 years ago and I always love to be an active member in my any community that I live in. And prior to the pandemic, I was working with Springfield High doing their mentor program. But with the pandemic, that all changed and so as things are starting to open back up, I'm really trying to get plugged back into the community and find like a good fit that I can be an active citizen in. And this

10:48 um this committee really seemed like it honed into my both my professional and my academic background. Um I work at Oregon State University. My partner works at UO, so we're kind of rivalries in that sense, but um work in their housing department, so I think about um the challenges for young people in housing all day, every day. Um I also have a master's degree in community basically community development. It's called um environment and community and I really focused on how uh communities that were economically hit during the timber wars, how they created both internal and external capacity

11:33 building to restore resiliency to their communities. And um so I think that lends really it would be valuable on this committee. And so yes, I just want to be a part of the uh Springfield and get plugged back in. Great. Um describe your understanding of the role that you will have serving CSDAC and how it relates to the work of the council. Absolutely. Um the city of Springfield receives grant money from or will receive HUD funding through the um community development block grant program and it's really uh focused on uh affordable housing, um resources for the unhoused, anti-poverty

12:19 programs, and increasing infrastructure development. And as an advisory member, we'd be looking at different aspects of that and providing our insight to the city council. And what do you see as the current issues and challenges for the city of Springfield? The focus on this committee would be affordable housing um especially with an increase um of a diverse population here in Springfield and new people coming all the time. It's getting people to plant roots. Housing is such an essential part of that. And this it it's a challenge not for just Springfield but every community uh especially on the West Coast but um yeah, that's no I would say number one

13:04 and here in Oregon, the land use development with in the well, the limit of parcels within the land use development urban growth boundary. I think is also a big challenge that we'd be facing in this specific committee. And the The question I had is we've got a couple more openings on different uh committees and commissions. If we ask you to serve on a different committee and commission, would you be willing to consider it? Absolutely. All right, great. Thank you so much. Have a great night. Thank you.

14:00 I don't know if I did the right thing. Can you hear us, Patty? Yes. Oh, excellent. I'm trying to get back. I think I Can you see me? Uh you're Oh, there you are. Oh, my goodness. There we go. My son-in-law is helping me out a little bit. Great. Um Were Were you on at 5:30? We did a We did a round of introductions. Did you hear the round of introductions? Yeah. All right, great. Um why are you interested in serving on the C-DAC? Well, I bought a home here about 3 years ago, but it's not But my experience with with Springfield is actually not limited to 3 years. I was

14:46 born at Sacred Heart and I've been back and back and forth and out of the out of the area for a while, but back Anyway, came back and I worked I've worked most of my adult life with uh low-income families doing parenting and resource support. So, I'm real familiar with housing issues and uh I've done a lot of resource work with families and then when my kids were little, I also experienced uh needing some support with housing. So, briefly, even though I was working, got was familiar with uh uh resources for low-income housing supports. And I'm really interested in being a a real support to the community

15:32 and being able to give a lot of my expertise now that I'm retired. Could you describe your understanding of role you will have serving on the C-DAC and how it relates to the work of the council? Well, my understanding is um I'm I would be here to provide a lot of my expertise as far as the background that I've had and and input that I might give to projects that might be proposed. And what do you see as the current issues and challenges for the city of Springfield? Oh my gosh, I think like everywhere there's the the housing shortage as far as affordable housing

16:17 is hitting everybody from every income level, especially um I think especially from my expertise working with low-income families, I I really see I see a need not only with low-income families, but especially uh with people who are unhoused or living in conditions with other people that maybe aren't optimal because they can't afford their own living conditions and I you know had experience with a lot of low-income families and living in conditions that are not um not real safe. I There's just a need for a lot more low-income housing and housing in general for other

17:04 uh income brackets. Um it's just since I bought down here I've just seen prices rise and and people really struggle with being able to uh afford even basic, you know, small apartment. Uh, people that are moving here for work or other schooling or otherwise. Uh, so and I think, you know, also looking at land availability. I know that's always an issue finding parcels that uh, whether it's low income or otherwise that are available and able to be zoned for the the housing that's proposed. And my last question, um, would be we've got several other boards and commissions

17:49 that are open tonight. Um, if we don't if we don't uh, place you on this commission, would you consider going going and volunteering for a different committee? Oh, yeah, that'd be awesome. I just would really love to be involved and be able to give back. Okay, great. That's what we have. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. All right, before we go on to the next group, um, do you guys want to discuss CEDAC since we have to It looks like we have to choose one person here. So, Joe.

18:35 Yes, thank you. Um, I liked uh, Robert Nevin. He's already obviously he's engaged in our community already and I think from his perspective from the construction field it would be a good ingredient to have in that specific committee. My second choice would be um, what the heck was her It was uh, And she can I think can bring a lot to the table, but um, again my first choice would would be um, Mr. Nevin and then my Oh, wait a second. I'm sorry. Melissa Glass Nevin and Melissa Glass first and second choice for me.

19:22 Uh Leonard Um thanks, Sean. I um I actually had Rebecca Cashero as my first choice. Uh she has um uh a lot of education relevant to environment and community, um which is directly relevant to what she'd be doing here and she's also working in university housing operations in Corvallis already. It seems like a really good fit for uh for for the C-DAC. Um my second choice would be Patty Shute. Uh Corey First, I appreciate all four of these folks stepping forward and wanting to get involved and um appreciated being able to read their applications and

20:08 listen to what they have to say. My first choice would be Rebecca, um also followed by Patricia. Mary Lee That's why I wanted to see the current roster. We have we we I I appreciate everybody that uh applied to. Um we have four Okay, that's not going to help me. Okay. Um we have four um candidates and I was looking to see if one of them might end up being a better complement to the current roster than you know, but what I can't tell by just looking at names. So, um gosh, I don't know. I I thought they were all good. I didn't really have a

20:58 I don't know if I had a preference. I was looking I was trying to figure it out as to what might help uh background wise or expertise and I think I probably I probably fell in line um again with Rebecca and Patricia um because they both have some experience in the in the area of of expertise but who knows if I had if I had any ideas to what was also on the committee one of the other ones might have turned out to be a better complement to that to the makeup of that committee but I don't I don't know. I don't have that information. Steve I got to put my glasses on. Rebecca is my my first choice and the reason is

21:43 she showed showed knowledge of Oregon's land use laws and complications which which is coming along. I don't know how anybody wants to know that stuff but she knows it and I was impressed by that. So and I'm I'm the liaison on this committee. I've I've wonderful uh people have been on a committee and I think she would be an addition to that. All right. Damian Uh I would say number three would be my first choice. Number two would be my second choice especially because they bring experience from outside of Oregon. Uh and that not always but I think inherently will enhance and redirect some conversations

22:29 just based on personal experience. Uh but you number three is definitely my top. Okay. So it sounds like that it's that it's Rebecca. Um and then the the remaining candidates right don't throw your notes away because as we go through the other commissions there's plenty of other seats that are open um and if we see a good fit we want we want really want to go back and ask them to serve to serve on a on another committee. I listen to Patricia. She's excited to serve on something and I really was glad to hear that. So, I'm going to put her to work. I'm keeping I'm not keeping notes here, Shawn. Just for the record.

23:19 All right, thank you. All right. It looks like Arts Commission's next, AJ. And if I may um change the roster a little bit, uh Savannah Bryant is our one applicant for two openings with the Arts Commission. I do not show her in the attendees list. Okay. So, with your permission, um we could move to the Museum Committee. Um David Schmunk is in attendance. All right, then let's do that. Thank you. Good evening. Well, thanks for joining us from home. We're going to go around since we just

24:04 switched committees and do a quick round of introductions and then we'll get started with your interview questions. And then we'll go back we'll go by ward order through this. I'm Shawn Van Gordon, I'm the mayor. Yes, I'm aware of that. At least I would hope I would be. Hi, I'm Damien Pitts, Ward 1. Hello. Steve Mow, Ward 2. Corey Rodley, Ward 3. Leonard Schaer, Ward 4. Marylee Woodrow, Ward 5. Joe Pischnotte, Ward 6 from the Thurston area. Yes. We're neighbors. Yes. All right. Why are you interested in serving on the Museum Committee? Well, you know, even as a child, I was

24:50 very interested in current events. I mean, I was watching the news at 5:00 at 5 years old. The news at five at five. Um, and and history, uh, current events, not only not only locally but globally. Um, and I was born and raised here. So, I have personally witnessed a good deal of Springfield's history, more than I would care to admit sometimes. When I was born here in 1960, Springfield was less than 20,000 people. And a lot has changed since then, and I've seen a lot of it. And as my my my father, Dick Schmonk, and my uncle, Nate Kanax, uh, started, uh, a business here in 1953, uh, I was very immersed in the social and

25:38 business community from the in the 1960s on. And, uh, had an opportunity to witness a lot of a lot of Springfield's history during that time, get to know a lot of the movers and shakers that, uh, that formed that history. Uh, I I knew at Harms, Bob Straub, uh, Darrel Courtright, um, I particularly knew well Ken Kesey. Uh, I actually changed tires on Further more than one time more than once, and that was the original Further, not the not the new and improved one. Uh, Jack Hyde and all was square deal. Uh, Jesse Maine, I first met him when he came to town and he formed a task force for, uh, for, uh, um, neighborhood gangs, and I was actually

26:23 his He he, uh, asked me to co-co-chair that, and we worked together on that. Sandra Gordon Rennie, Sandra the first female mayor of Springfield. They were, uh, cross-the-street neighbors, uh, for me for 20 years. Uh, uh, Vance Freeman was a very good friend of my father's. Uh, Bob and Rob Adams, uh, Bob Adams was a very good friend of my father's. Uh, Al as well as Alvin Reed and Chuck Richie and I actually think I purchased a watch in Chuck Richie Jewelers, which was right about where you guys are sitting when uh, the uh, city hall was Spring Village Mall. And uh, Scotty Alexander from Alexander's, which is where the parking

27:09 lot is uh, in front of you guys, uh, was my best friend growing up in the 60s before the for the store burned and and they moved to to Washington. And uh, uh, and I realize as I'm getting older, I've realized that there's fewer and fewer of us who have who have who have witnessed this history and in and who have not only witnessed it ourselves, but know people who've witnessed it. I have a friend Jay Swafford out in uh, who lives uh, out in the Mohawk Valley where I where we had a ranch when I grew up. And he has over 40,000 photos of of the Mohawk Valley logging and Wendling. He still lives in

27:54 their uh, family home that was built when the uh, mill was out there, the Booth-Kelly mill was out there. And so, I realized uh, there's not many of us like uh, like myself and Steve Moe left and if we don't get involved, we're going to lose a chunk of that. I mean, we're not going to be around forever. And uh, I feel really obligated and I've and I've I've wanted to be a part of of the city since since I was in my 20s, but I just never have and I feel like at this point, I can I can really contribute. Thank you. Um, describe your understanding of the role you will have serving the museum committee and how it relates to the work

28:40 of the council. Well, I've never served on a committee before, as I mentioned, but uh, so I don't know exactly what what my role would be. Uh and I would suspect that it would be evolving. There's It's a nine committee board, I understand. There's only seven members currently. Uh so, I think all for the first few meetings, I'm just going to keep my eyes open and my ears open and figure out where I fit best. Uh I've been an avid photographer since I was 9 years old. I set up my first darkroom when I was 15. And uh photographs are my passion. And so, Smith Mountjoy is one of my uh one of my heroes.

29:27 I don't know if you're aware who Smith Mountjoy is, but if you see any of the old pictures of Springfield from around the turn of the century, the Springfield sign on the on the hill, he took all those. He was a He was a millwright at Booth Kelly. And all the pictures you see around Springfield of restaurants in in grocery stores are all by him. And uh Anyway, I digress. Uh So, uh my understanding is that our role as the committee is to uh investigate and report back to you on things you wish us to look into, projects, and other uh queries. And then amongst ourselves,

30:12 investigate and come up with projects and present them to you for consideration and direction. And uh And so, uh uh I I I kind of see that as as we're an arm of of the investigative arm and advisory arm of the City Council. Thank you. What do you see as the current issues and challenges facing in of Springfield? What was the other other applicants said, housing. Housing, housing, housing, affordability and availability. And though we don't have the challenges of the unhoused that

30:59 Eugene does, that doesn't mean that situation doesn't exist. And that doesn't mean we shouldn't address it and be part of the solution. Uh transportation. We have a project going on on Main, which is very polarizing. Um but we have to look forward to the future. I don't mean to get too Jetsons on anybody, but it's not going to be that many years. In 30 years, most of the traffic on at least on Main is going to be self-driving. And what's going to work better, roundabouts or traffic lights? Uh and and even without self-driving

31:44 cars, everything's been proven that that that they are they are safer, more cost-efficient, uh and better all around. Um our our our our philosophical divisions also concern me. Um my the Springfield of my youth is not nearly as interesting a place as Springfield of today. There wasn't the diversity. There wasn't There wasn't uh uh the influx of of ideas and the like from outside the area. It was very homogeneous. And uh and uh but with our growth in that area,

32:31 it's created some divisions. And that's that's a challenge. And we need to we need to bring people together and have them talk, not just yell at each other from from either side, but talk to each other. Come to the middle and talk. Um And again, just to wrap it up, getting under getting citizens understand that we're not just doing things for today, we're looking out to the future. All right. Thank you so much. Um that was all the questions that I had, so we will discuss the appointment and then somebody from the staff will get back get back to you. Have a great night. Thank you.

33:17 All right. Um so are folks good with David? Yeah, I'm fine with him. Yep. That was a hell of a campaign speech you just made. Really. Um I uh that it was uh I was impressed. Yeah. Do we want And I know we've got those extra folks kind of hanging out. Do you guys want to discuss You want to save that conversation to the end or do you want to discuss try and do uh place some of those folks on the museum committee as we go? Were Were there any more openings to the historic museum committee? I believe the museum has Let's see.

34:04 I don't see on the AIS. AJ, do you know how many openings they have? I think they had two. The museum has two openings currently. Corey. I think the historic commission also has more openings than applicants, so maybe it makes sense to talk about them all together. There we go. Yeah. All right. You guys are keeping track of your own notes or not notes? All right. AJ, let's No notes. Let's keep going. Um I don't know if you see Savannah or not. Are we Are you bringing me historic commission next? I am bringing you the historic commission, which is Taran Wood. Perfect. Hello.

34:50 Um we're going to go and do a quick round of introductions. Um just so Well, since we're switching committees, so we'll do them by ward order. I'm Sean Van Gordon, I'm the mayor. I'm Damien Pitts, City Council Ward 1. Steve Moe, Ward 2. Corey Rodly, Ward 3. Leonard Schaer, Ward 4. Marilyn Woodrow, Ward 5. Joe Pishioneri, Ward 6, Thurston area. Thank you. All right. Are Are you ready for the questions, Taran? Yep. Why are you interested in serving on the historic commission? Well, uh that's actually an interesting question. Um I had discovered the Booth-Kelly Bridge,

35:35 you know, out by uh Mo- Mohawk, um sorry, not Mohawk, Marcola Road and Camp Creek Road. Um I wanted to discuss that with the commission, and then the commission actually invited me to join them and to apply, and I'm like, you know, this is actually a great idea. Um I've been currently studying history at Eastern Oregon University. And uh I think that this is a great way to help and serve the community, and I've always had an interest in historic buildings, so I think this would be a great fit for me. Could you describe your understanding of the role you will have at serving as a historic commissioner and how it relates to the work of the council? Yeah, I think that the role of the historic commission is to um

36:21 best figure out how preservation can be attained for historic places and buildings while also accommodating the people that currently reside in those places. Um but ultimately it's about serving the community. And in that way, that's how I see um the historic commission's role in terms of how it relates to the council. What do you see as the current issues and challenges for the city of Springfield? I think one of the biggest challenges for the city, and I think this is often overlooked, is uh earthquake challenges. I think that if there was an earthquake in the near future, um we just aren't prepared for any of that. And so I think if we're going to

37:07 be prepared for the great Cascadia earthquake, we need to start thinking more along those lines and ramping up our earthquake preparedness. And that includes reinforcing brick buildings that currently exist, including many historic buildings, and uh stuff like that. All right. Those were all the questions that I had. Um we are going to debate uh and discuss the appointment, and then somebody from the staff will get back to you. Thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you for your time. Let's deal with the historic uh commission appointment. I'm looking for

37:53 either head nods or comments folks want to make. Yeah, very articulate. I think he's going to be a good addition. Yeah, and it looks like he volunteers at the museum and helps Yeah. No No issues. Yeah, uh I think he's fine, but I mean, honestly, I wish the history historic commission would move away from worrying about buildings and and focus on living history as well. So, I mean, he kind of reinforces the the past narrative, but I mean, he seems energetic and wants to learn, so we'll just have to get him out of that. All right. So, we're good preparing him to to go forward. Um and I'm going to just double-check before Have we seen Savannah yet?

38:39 We have not. Okay. So, can you Can somebody bring Go ahead, Joe. I was just going to give you my opinion. No, go right ahead. So, I agree with Damian. It's uh it's pretty insightful from him in regards to where our historic commission should be at. I I completely agree. I think they're can get um off-centered pretty easily, similar to like maybe the bike ped. But, I think that it's we definitely need to do our historic commission work in regards to our our human past in the city and and what kind of of uh development and what what how do they influence our city? And that's that's something I would I would like to see

39:24 more of. I know that we have a huge uh influence from the Kennedy era and the World War II era. We even have whole neighborhoods that were part of that era. And um we just don't hear much about that, and it seems like the focus is shifting away from that, and I don't want to lose that. All right. Thank you. So, I think we can try to reschedule Savannah for the next time we do this, and then um if if anybody wants to discuss um dealing with the three other folks we had from CEDAC, now would now would be a good time. So, we have We have one spot It looks like we have one spot left on the museum committee, two more spots on

40:09 the historic committee, and then without Savannah, two openings on the Arts Commission. Damian. Uh So, first I think we need to be careful just placing folks, you know, uh a lot of them said, "Yes, I'd be willing." Uh but we might want to ask the question, "Hey, what do you know about this board?" Um How you know, how can you traverse from wanting to be on this one to the next one because we need to get out of the habit of just placing bodies. We want people to want to be a part of this to uh establish continuity, to be that

40:54 commission or committee's biggest cheerleader. And so, I think we need to re-engage and ask maybe not the all the questions, but ask what they know about the specific commission. And if they want to do it, and so maybe that's not something that we do that that we we we we we we put the charge out to them tonight, but have them do their due diligence and see is this something that they really want to do because you know, I'm sure all of us there's certain boards that we don't we if even if we had the opportunity, we wouldn't be on. And we really need to avoid just placing people just because we need some some bodies. Okay. So, I think we've got a couple of choices here. Um last time we went through this, we sort we tried to sort of pull the remaining candidates to see if what if they had a specific choice,

41:40 and that didn't go over very well that didn't go very well cuz it we just didn't get a response. So, I think our the choices we're sort of facing is we can just simply ask them to reapply and go through another appointment process, or we might come back and ask them specifically about uh an individual committee before we place them. Yeah. Why don't you ask them at this point if they'd be interested in any of those openings? Marilyn. Yeah, I my thought was we have certain positions open. Send an email to the candidates that didn't get selected tonight. Let them know what openings there are and if they have any interest and then and then do what Damien said, ask them to research it and make sure that it's one that they're interested in and to let us

42:25 know. But I if you if we let them know what's out there, we may find out that somebody's really interested in something that we may not have known known about. So, I think if we let them know what's open, they they give them an opportunity to to look at them and say, "Oh, yeah, I wouldn't like I would I wouldn't mind being on that." So, I think leave it up to them. Joe. Yes, thank you. I I completely agree. I don't think it's I think it does the committees a disservice if we say, "Hey, we got this person that was extra from a previous interview and they didn't show any interest in your committee earlier, but but we're going to go ahead and hand them off to you." And I mean it just I think it devaluates the committees and I think that people that is a excellent point with is is

43:11 that, you know, we need to I would rather have a smaller committee with openings than a committee that has people that aren't either qualified or really don't have a desire to be there. And I think that you know, they're great people for sure and I'm not trying to minimize them, but I think that we deserve it we deserve to do the best we can for ourselves and the city to have these committees filled with people that want to be there and that have shown an interest in the first place and if they have an interest and I don't have a problem with contacts and hey, we got these openings just so you know, that's a great recruitment. But they need to jump through the hoops as far as I'm concerned. I want to know the answers to those questions on the questionnaire. So, uh you know, if they they're interested, fine. They can reapply and then we can look at them

43:57 later, which goes back to in the future here we're looking at uh I think when we're doing some uh looking at things internally and how we run do our business and run the city that we need to look at this process and really get it get it down to something that's better. It just seems like your your famous word Sean is be clunky and it is totally clunky. And we need to smooth out the edges and do a good job or better job at at committee selection. And uh so that way again, we have people that are there. We are respecting the people that are already on the committee by give sending them people that will help them as opposed to who's a big learning curve. So I'm done.

44:42 No fair using my word of the day. All right, uh Leonard, did you have anything to add? Yeah, yeah, I agree with counselor Pishnery. The other side of this is that um the people who are being offered these other positions, if they were offered the other positions, we we run the risk of uh making it appear like a consolation prize. And it might be sort of a it it might be devalued in their minds as well. So I uh I actually agree. I think everybody should just uh be given an opportunity to apply again. Okay, so I'm hearing let's put out the applications again and then let's let the let the folks that we we didn't get selected know that we're putting them out and invite them to apply. Perfect. So just as a a quick recap, I will be reaching out to all of the um

45:29 applicants and thanking them for applying. I showed that Rebecca Cashiro will be appointed to a 2-year term for the Community Development Advisory Committee as of the March 7th regular session. I will also reach out to Savannah Bryant and and find out if there was a technical difficulty. Mhm. Um we will be appointing David Schmank to the Museum Committee for a full 3-year term and we will appoint Taryn Wood to the Historic Committee for a full 4-year term. Correct. And those will all come back at the March 7th meeting. Perfect. All right. I think that is all we had for the evening. So, thank you everybody. I'm going to adjourn us. Have a good night. We're completely done done for the night? We're done.

46:14 That's it. Woohoo! Good night.