Springfield City Council — March 14, 2022

0:21 i'm going to call the city council work session to order with roll call mayor van gorden here councilor pitts here that's the moon here council radley here here councillor woodrow and counselor pictionary i'm here thank you okay so do you guys have any idea on the echo that we're currently hearing do you need a do you need a second just got it it feels very dramatic yes all right uh we're expecting counselor wardrobe anytime here um we have one item tonight which is a bike share update with emma newman so i will turn it over to emma thank you good evening mayor and

1:06 counselors it's a pleasure to be before you to discuss bike share again this evening the topic of discussion is to discuss whether or not to direct staff to pursue grant funding and partner with cascadia mobility the city of eugene and other regional partners to further expand bike share in springfield as some of you will recall who were on council at the time the last time we discussed this item was in february 2020 during a work session and shortly after that everything changed in march of 2020 with covet impacting our community at that time city council expressed interest in expanding bike share in the springfield community and requested more details detailed out in your council briefing

1:51 memo attachment one are a number of changes that have happened since essentially kobit had numerous different impacts at that time we had been talking with jump which was the operations provider at that point owned by uber shortly after the pandemic they pulled out of operating peace health rides our local bike share system the city of eugene covered operations for a period of time and then cascadia mobility is a non-profit that has been operating the peace health rides bike share system since april 2021. so what we're looking at as a as the opportunity before us this evening is the ability to partner with cascadia mobility the operator of the peace

2:36 health rides bike share system to expand further into springfield there's currently some bikes up at the riverbend hospital but other than that people who ride peace health rides cannot lock up and leave bikes in springfield without a penalty right now people are currently riding in the city and one of your questions last time was asking where are people writing so in the question and answer document that's been updated it shows that and a number of other answers to questions that have come in from you and kind of been part of the conversation since so the opportunity consists of a number of different things one is that the cascadia mobility nonprofit has received 220 donated bicycles so we could use 100

3:23 of these potentially more if we wanted but the current proposal is to use a hundred in springfield these bikes do need to be refurbished since they had been used on the nike campus up in the beaverton area and so odot the oregon department of transportation is supportive of funding the refurbishment of these bikes the mayor also has supported uh cascading mobility with requesting an oregon health authority grant so this grant application that we're currently awaiting the news on would both expand support expansion of bike share in springfield as well as provide free low-income passes to members in the bike share system and

4:08 provide additional education such as learn to ride workshops another piece is that peace health the title sponsor of the bike share system has so that they would increase their sponsorship if match funds could be secured to fill the funding gap another change is that our transportation options program which focuses on reducing drive alone trips in the region has significantly been restructured over the last couple years due to layoffs because the pandemic we are about to have a new transportation options specialist staff person start in april who would have capacity to work on launching bike share as well as another other related topics

4:54 so there's staffing capacity that exists in a way that did not uh when we last had this conversation two years ago one other thing to note is that the city of springfield is part of a grant for regional bicycle enhancement upgrades and one aspect of that is funding to provide bike parking upgrades throughout the community there's an opportunity for the bike parking upgrades so installing new bike racks to both serve the needs of people using their personal bikes as well as they could duplicate as hub locations for a bike share system so be a way to have a lower cost investment but have mutual benefit for both bike share system users as well as people riding

5:39 their own personal bikes i will note that during the pandemic and still currently it is quite challenging to purchase personal bicycles so the need for a shared bike share system has likely increased there's been supply chain issues turnover in our local bike shops and a number of impacts along those lines so the need is to fill the missing operational funding gap we're talking about a hundred thousand dollars per year that's about a hundred or one thousand dollars per bike per year so if it's a hundred bikes that equates to a hundred thousand dollars per year i see a number of ways that this could be covered primarily with grant funds there's the surface or

6:24 statewide transportation improvement funding that flows through lane transit district that is going to be increasing in funding there's more infrastructure investment and jobs act funding from the federal government so there's a number of transportation related grant sources that the city could pursue to fill this funding gap we may need to provide maybe a 10 local match but it'd be a really minimal city specific local dollar investment to leverage these other grant funds that would then leverage all of this partnering opportunity and everything that i just described so before i turn over to you for questions and discussion i just wanted to let you know that the second attachment in your packet this evening

7:10 is that q a document it has been updated since last time and we also have staff here from cascadia mobility the peace health rides operator and city of eugene in case there are questions that you have for me that are really better answered by those individuals and so i'd like to bring your attention to the attachment one page three of three next steps and recommended action so if council is supportive the next steps that we're recommending is to assign bike share expansion to the transportation options specialist work program to work with partners to develop recommendations for criteria of the details around citing bike share hub locations determining the geographic extent of the service area and other

7:57 details such as bike rack maintenance et cetera tonight we're really focused on the bigger picture and those would be details that we come back to you and kind of would develop going forward if there is direction from council to pursue this opportunity the third piece would be to pursue additional grant funding this could include submitting a stiff grant application later this year and as i said kind of on the order of a hundred thousand dollars per year for 100 bikes in springfield and then we provide periodic updates to council so based on the previous council interest in expanding bike share and the current opportunity staff are recommending to pursue this and with that i will turn it

8:44 over to all of you for discussion and questions thank you joe hi thank you i'm not sure exactly what the impression i gave last time in regards to encouraging this forward movement but i i have not been in favor of this program in a sense that there's to me there's a lot of unknowns we don't know you're talking about a hundred thousand dollars we don't know you're talking about the possibility grants we don't know if we have grants you're talking about it could be only a 10 match but we don't know if there's going to be a 10 match and then once we start this program where's the off ramp as opposed to if we you know can you say uh yeah we will definitely get grants hurt here into perpetuity and we're not going to have this type of investment each year to be faced with the bill

9:30 and and frankly when i'm looking at the bike racks throughout eugene i don't see those emptied and i see a ton of them around they just seem to sit idle but i'm still not convinced this program would work here and to use a reason as far as a supply and demand because we can't people can't buy bikes otherwise they would i i don't see any supporting documentation for that so again i i it's great if people want a bike and we're spending lots of dollars to make way for bikes on roads that are paid for by vehicle taxes but i'm not i'm not supportive of investing springfield tax dollars into a program that have yet to prove in my mind it would be worth the investment

10:17 is i i guess i'm directing this to emma i'm emma is there any kind of statistics about the percentage of usage of the bikes in the eugene program that's a great question i knew some of the statistics kind of pre-pandemic but i'd like to turn it over to brodie to share the more recent uh usage information please and brody hilton is the director of cascadia mobility yeah thanks emma hello mayor and counselors um you know pre-pandemic levels of utilization we think of trips in terms of per bike per day um and in peak periods that for us is the shoulder uh spring you know april may june and uh through the summer and in particular

11:02 september october can you hang on a second um i don't know if you're in a place but it would be really helpful if you could uh toggle on your camera if you're in a place you could do that um we can't here we go i don't think i had the option and now i do can you see me yes we can see you all right hello oh go ahead right and so peak periods i would say are trips per bike per day are on the order of three um during these winter uh months it's between you know one and one and a half trips per bike per day all that is to say we um you know somewhere around 150 000 trips is what we're experiencing during the pandemic in eugene and i suspect

11:48 uh those numbers will will increase back to pre-pandemic levels which is up around 200 000 trips per year on 300 bikes in eugene is there any projection about what the usage would be in springfield um that's a good question but i would suspect i don't think we've done any deep analysis there but um you know we're talking about serving the center core of springfield and connecting the two communities so the uh hope and expectation is that we're talking about trips to and from eugene as well as in this in the central core of springfield i'd estimate it'll be right on par with eugene around two two trips per bike per day something like that okay um to the financing piece um do we have any

12:33 idea how how likely it is that we would be getting a partner um so that we wouldn't have to foot the entire bill on this yes so the latest that we have from peace health and brody feel free to add to what i'm saying was communication that they're interested in expanding their existing sponsorship if we do add 100 new bikes to the system and expand the service that being said we do need to still fund fill the funding gap but that funding gap could be i i feel fairly confident that the funding gap could be filled with grant funds yeah well with uh with that said i i would definitely be willing to sign on

13:18 to this program provided that we're not um that that we're getting the the kind of financing that we're talking about and i i would hope that if we if if some of the funding falls through where we're actually having to uh foot more of the bill than uh this is currently projected that uh you would come back to us but um with with that said i um i i thoroughly support this program i think it's a very uh it's a very good one and i think it's something that would help the public steve gas prices going up i think it'd be more attractive to people a lot of people say springfielders may not be elected to ride bicycles well these aren't available to them so i'd like to see

14:03 this program go out there and let people get used to i believe they'll start using it so i support it hey y'all uh so i guess my concerns are safeties uh you know there's been a lot of backlash as far as different things going on along main street uh and so like i'm not a bike rider so i'm curious if we would have more uh what would be done to increase this the the safety and mitigate the risk for these people on bikes and two i wonder if things you know for example like the new street lights and i mean

14:49 the new bulbs whatever they are uh as well as other things have those been considered uh as far as a way to keep uh more bikers safe like are these part of you know things that would make this more attractive and more long-standing uh things that are already going on within the city i mean does this help or is it a deterrent have those things been considered yes great question um so a few things that support with safety is that in the regional bicycle enhancement grant that i mentioned there is some funding for bike safety education classes

15:36 cascadia mobility with the oregon health authority grant is seeking funds to do more learn to ride education as well so there's both the built infrastructure but there's the educational and encouragement aspects that both the city and cascadia can partner on to make sure that people who do want to ride have access to information on how to do so safely the city has also been actively working to fill in gaps in the bicycle infrastructure system to improve the street lighting as you mentioned so with those infrastructure improvements there is becoming a more and more connected network of bikeways in the city and we've also provided some wayfinding

16:22 signage that helps people navigate the system that being said there are still gaps in the system and in cities where bike share has launched sometimes it leads to more people riding and then those cities deciding to invest further in filling in those gaps to respond to the increased demand brodie do you have anything that you'd like to share with regards to education safety kind of cascadia's role in this yeah um certainly safety is like first and foremost in everything we do and we want to make sure all riders are safe bike share you know worldwide has proven to be incredibly safe um and and as emma alluded to it sort of obligates and necessitates safer infrastructure and there's nothing safer than safety in numbers all of the bikes are very well lit automated built-in lighting front

17:08 and rear at night and just to speak to the track record of peace health rides in eugene shane may know more than i but from my recollection there haven't been any serious incidents reported that i'm aware of in the four years that we've been operating the program yes uh another question came up so we talked about the education piece i'm just curious how that is going to be delivered and are there going to be alternative methods you know thinking about the digital divide and you know i'm thinking that there's a probably a correlation between those who uh

17:54 would need an alternate or uh or bikes would be their primary form of transportation and the in and accessibility to this type of information so just curious to how these information platforms are gonna be rolled out uh are there gonna be alternate means outside of uh internet-based uh learning right so do you want me to take that one emma please why don't you leave and then i'll chairman with a little extra sure so you know first of all springfield has the opportunity to to really just tag on to the program that's already in place so all of our information you can find at peacehealthrides.com that's the website and would remain the website for enrollment in the program as well as the app there's a peace health rides app when you download the app you walk

18:39 through safety messaging and how to how to how to ride safely how to use the program to speak to the digital divide piece unlock is available with an rf id card so a smartphone is not required once you do sign up for uh an account and then to reach people that perhaps don't have access to technology or are low-income individuals that's really part of the program that we've put into place called the bike eugene access plan which offers low income access or sorry discounted access for low-income individuals through partner organizations like food for lane county homes for good um central latino americano and we're looking for other partners point being that would be the focus of our learn to ride classes and if we are awarded this oha grant would actually fund bike share

19:25 to be completely free for individuals that are low income and affiliated with local cbos and and that would be where we incorporate our safety programming through partnership with them all right corey okay so overall i am supportive of this yes and some things um one uh i just think about springfield as the as a location that is not like eugene in that we are long and narrow and everything is not as round as it is in eugene where people can get to places so if i was in charge of the world i would want to think about maybe a pilot version of this which is you know in the

20:11 in the closer sort of center of springfield that might interact more with eugene and maybe going to some key areas it's hard for me to imagine us just going live with this and people riding all the way out to thurston and back i don't know that could happen the other thing is as you were talking about the um you know the educational programs and targeting certain populations of folks what i would want to know is if certain populations of folks want to have bikes targeted to them and whether or not those are the the people who are most likely to use them so that's the other thing is i would want to say who's likely to use it who is using it in eugene and who's going to be using them in springfield and all that is to to be

20:56 said is i am still very supportive of it i would just want us to get our sort of messaging around this and are targeting because if the idea is to build a program that is going to be sustainable and it is going to when we may get initial grant funding and then how is it going to be funded we would want it to be successful and so just getting really clear about who's going to be using them um are we targeting the right people and is there a potential for you know private partnerships is this something that you know say businesses particularly those who might you know have bars or whatever would be interested in having bicycles so i think there's a way for us to think about this creatively um in us with a springfield lens as opposed to just extending how it's being

21:41 done in eugene the end thank you and um she brought up some good points i want to i kind of like to know who's been wanting this besides members of b-pack has citizens been coming and hitting the counters at the downtown city hall and saying hey i'd love to have a bike that i could borrow or is it literally coming from b-pack or from some bicyclist-oriented groups out of eugene that's one question i have it is also has any of the most local bicycle shops have they voiced support towards this program literally and they've had they've been actually contacted and have

22:27 they actually gone on record as voice voice and support because i don't want to support anything that's going to harm our local businesses and number two is that um number three and and it says you know you're talking about hubs and you recommend a hub for every six to eight bicycles and there's a hundred bicycles being proposed here that would be about 16 hubs and on that list you're talking about oh it's going to be downtown centric but on that list you're talking about the bob kiefer center which i don't think is very downtown so i see some contradictions here that i'm not sure you know who's going to actually decide about those hub locations is it going to be a committee is it going gonna be staff i'm i'm not sure so again there's and and is there an off ramp to it so in

23:12 one year if you can't say at the end of that first year hey we got funding the next year in the following year and the following year then where's our off ramp do do we have uh are those bicycles come with some sort of commitment for the city on the city side saying okay well we tried it for a year we don't want them take them away or are we committed to some sort of contractual agreement to have those for a certain length of time thank you counselor um i guess several your questions i'm seeking you know if council has opinions and wants to direct this in a certain direction that would be really helpful to hear so who is this coming from um this had come from the bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee and as the question around you know what

23:58 were they proposing for a draft list of locations back in 2019 that was informed at a time when the potential opportunity on the horizon was looking more at electric assist bicycles which tend to have a larger range and that was just an initial starting brainstorm list so the locations shown there are just that starting point if council says pursue this and go forward then we would re-engage bpac and have more conversations actually start looking at what would make logical sense for home locations and service area as you can see with the ridership shown in the same q a document it looks like people are currently using the bike share bikes primarily south of oregon 126 expressway west of 14th street and

24:45 along the middle fork and mill race paths so to councillor rodley's earlier point kind of looking at that west and downtown west springfield downtown area could make a lot of logical sense for an initial expansion area uh as far as the question regarding local bike shops uh two of our bike shops have closed down during the pandemic so they are no longer around to be voicing that local support there is a the peddler has opened as the bike bistro in downtown springfield and there's a peak sports bike shop right next door my understanding is that both of those businesses are partnering and wanting to promote bike transportation more broadly host social events i think

25:30 there's a lot of great partnership opportunities to really have co-benefits between what bike share would have to offer and what our local businesses are providing already and what they're trying to contribute to our community and so with regards to hubs and number of bikes if city council has opinions as to should it be 100 bikes do we want to look at less or more that would be good information to hear from you if you have an interest in either of those as well as the hub locations and service area if you really want to see this you know start in a certain location and not extend out to thurston for instance that would be really helpful and put to also here [Music]

26:17 i'm also wondering as i'm hearing about this and um to counselor prisoner's point about you know who who's been asking for it i think there's an opportunity for us to do some partnering whether it's with malama lane and we would just see what people want and whether they would use it because i think that could help to inform what that pilot would look like because i think i would be inclined to think oh yeah maybe it starts on the the the um west side of town and you know goes to gateway maybe and you know maybe it just looks like where there's sort of the most density but i would also like to and i think by doing that outreach whether it's to the school district or the lama lane by doing that outreach i think will will get a sense of if there's

27:02 enough interest to really get this thing going and that will also help with the launch of it also knowing that we maybe don't have the capacity and there aren't like seven staff people who could do it but also just thinking i i i i don't know that the six or however many of us there are are as aware or know what how it would be used as much as actually going out into the city and saying would you use these bicycles how would you use them and generating the interest that way just for a second i i have i've had the privilege of launch bike share programs around the country over the last 10 years and and something i'll say is sort of cities bike share gets launched in oftentimes the citizens don't know they

27:48 want it this isn't about bikes it's about access it's about public transportation and it's about active transportation and public health and connecting all of those dots and i think that's the opportunity here um we're deeply sensitive to any economic impacts obviously targeting for the better but the point is to get more people more readily to destinations they need to get to and it's about equity it's certainly about bike shops if you look at the p south rides web page you'll see that we're highlighting all the bike shops that we have a in our are aware of in our service area and would certainly be adding um springfield bike shops the idea is that uh bike share is a gateway to bike ownership uh or other modes of active transportation um and so

28:34 we view ourselves cascadia mobility really as an extension of the municipal and transit agencies the municipal government transit agencies our our job is to make bike share a success as measured by ridership when it comes to the revenue side we can certainly talk about how to maximize the the revenue and we have some ideas there but really for for us i think you don't have to worry about city staff time so much that's that's sort of our responsibility as a non-profit so i've got i've got a couple of questions here um so what's what's the actual contractual relationship so do it do uh does cascadia mobility uh sign a contract with the city that outlines roles and responsibility is it

29:20 with eugene is the grant administrator like what actually defines what everybody's roles and responsibilities are correct there would be an operating contract we have a contract with the city and shane if you'd like to speak to that i see your camera come on yeah if you if you need i'm uh shane rhodes city regine transportation options program manager and i'm happy to answer any specific questions to the operations in the city of eugene uh we've been working with cascadia mobility they you know won this contract through an rfp process and as a nonprofit have been uh really incredible to work with and the contractual relationship is that we have the sponsorship funding for peace

30:05 health we own and uh the bicycles and contract operations with peace health or with cascadia mobility and you know they are as brody said an extension of our work and the work we're doing to increase access to transportation options for people and through partnership with the university of oregon and lane transit district you know we are looking for funding not only for our own uh bike share system but regionally what what works best for our region to provide people access and equitable access and fair access to transportation options no matter the type whether

30:51 that's transit uh bike share you know we're looking at all all types of transportation options and accessibility and this for us is just one of those tools that we're using okay so i think back to the core question so if if we think about saying this is a regional this is a sort of a a regional project right would or would we be housed under the current operating agreement that eugene has or would we be sort of responsible for for negotiating our own like so what what i don't want to have happen is that i want to have you know clear sort of roles and responsibilities so that we know what happens if they're you know if they're if we all need to take an off ramp right like you know that that's a possibility

31:37 or we we have some sort of governance document associated to this is that the eugene document or would springfield be sort of negotiating on their own well maybe emma can speak to this i i mean i would imagine that it would be a separate contract relationship with cascadia mobility so that you would have that ability to shape your program but i think that there is definitely a partnership that is involved just like with lane transit district and the university of oregon you know there are agreements that the university of oregon and cascadia mobility you know have as well for operations on campus and allow you know uh virtual hubs and different systems and you know may work in all of the city and so i

32:23 imagine there's going to be different operations uh potentials in springfield as well yeah that's how i would see it as well and to counselor pictionary's earlier point as far as duration i think it'd be important to set up a contract and say you know this is what we're committing to right now here's our different roles here's the bike ownership currently the bikes are owned by cascadia mobility if the city wanted to own them which i don't know that we necessarily would we could look at that but i think it's a good opportunity where they already own the bikes and it's just entering into yes we want to have this service provided in our community and there's additional support from cascadia which is their thing that they do well to enter into a lecture operating

33:09 agreement if council says you know we want to try this out for two or three years and then have an evaluation see where things are at and discuss whether we want to pursue it further that's an option as well we we can only know so much before kind of trying it out and seeing what it consists of in our community so the question that um when you look at page three of three attachment one where you where you sort of um outline what proposed next steps would be is that transportation operations specialist is that one of the roles that that gets funded over on on the ltd side it is funded through lane council governments with regional mpo dollars it is a rework of

33:55 what was previously point to point at ltd that was housed at lane transit district all those individuals were laid off early on during the pandemic and then a lot of the transportation options program has been kind of rehoused and re-envisioned at lane council of governments so this position is employed by alcog but primarily working in springfield on our behalf okay so the next if if we wanted to go forward here the next steps is we would essentially assign this work to that person and then they would sort of fully vet out what an operating plan would be and then we would then we could take a look at it right yes the next steps will be operating plan starting to look at where would be logical placement of the hubs is the

34:40 service area that's like conceptualized as kind of downtown west springfield actually logical getting into those sorts of details figuring out okay what are the specifics of the contracting do we have questions for council that we need clarification on how you want those details to be set up but we didn't want to get too far into doing the work before coming back and saying should we be pursuing this [Music] okay leonard um well i think brooke is exactly right he hit it on the head when he said that the uh the roll-up to a project like this um the public is not always going to know what to ask for they're not going to know that it's on the menu so to speak um i think the wheel probably had a

35:27 tough first few years before people caught on to its utility um so i would like to um i i guess um what emma let me give you a hypothetical let's say this is a dismal failure nobody nobody wants any of the bikes you sign a contract for a couple years at the end the city of springfield says this program has failed um let's uh we we want you to come and get the bikes they belong to cascadia so cascadia would take possession of the bicycles and then the program would go away is that about right that's my understanding yeah if we set up the contracting that way and say you know awareness for this this time period

36:12 i think three years might make sense based on the peace health sponsorship and some of the grant cycle durations but yeah we can try it out see how it's going and take it from there good deal thank you so um actually i'm glad leonard brought up that question i have a couple letters but but you're talking about okay someone we decide it doesn't work we want to get rid of it what i'd like to know is then who would be the person or persons that would decide it's not working and what criteria would be used for that and then you're talking about um how they would how would we go about doing that because if we go with somebody somebody's

36:59 subjective opinion saying hey as far as i can tell it's working great what criteria is working great versus failing and then we're talking excuse me then we're talking about a transportation specialist excuse me that i assume is shane out of eugene or or an unnamed person so i don't know you shake your head but it's not there's no one identified as a transportation specialist on this end so i'd like to know who that is is it another person or is that uh you know where does that fall and i'm also because of uh counselor rodley's comments we're talking about partnering up or she's talking about uh the idea of partnering up with willam and lane park and recreation district to me this is a recreational activity

37:47 so where they they're you know we're not eugene eugene has their own parks department springfield does not so our our bikes and brodie a question for you possibly is that you you're saying you talked about all these cities across the united states that did it which is great but how many of those cities have got their own park and recreation district or parks district versus versus one that is independent autonomous with the city itself i'd like to know whose responsibility or where does that fall under where should it not be more recreational or are these bikes supposed to be recreational or they're just supposed to be for utilitarian um i just have a ton of questions before i'm on board i i mean i i don't like dislike it but i think there's

38:32 enough to where i've got some responsibilities that i need to make myself uh comfortable with in regards to some of these questions before i could sign on well i think maybe that's the question that we want we we want to ask before these guys dive back into this right is that if you read the if you read the packet every like the going forward here is giving direction to build an actual operating plan and put some of the details together and come back and have a conversation about it and if if people are comfortable there then i think that's that's the direction we we need to give them is let the transportation specialist at um at elcog put together some of these details and have a more detailed conversation about where's the funding coming from where's the locations

39:18 uh going to be at how long what's what are the success measures etc etc that way we can look at the look at the whole packet are people comfortable with that approach corey i am yes and again i am overall supportive of it i just think we have to come at it from a springfield lens and not just a you know sort of taking on what has worked in eugene or someplace else is just that's how i would like to look at it moving forward and i think so what i hear from from a direction perspective is right there's a clear understanding that you know to try to do it it more uh is a pilot you know clearly in western springfield where the city naturally connects to eugene and not

40:04 necessarily to try to put put this in all of springfield at the same time and that what we would want to see is some some clarity around sources of funding right which i think have been been identified and then timeline success measures and probably some some clarity around how we're gonna cite the where we would site actually site the bikes right so it's not enough just to say it's gonna be at city hall but hey here's some of the factors when we're looking for the actual location leonard um i i think there's some wisdom in being selective about where the sights are for the bikes i i'm comfortable with

40:51 going forward with a hundred though i mean i i think that it's um a uh uh it's a program that we should be encouraging and i'm ready to i elcog meets about every three months and i'm i'm i'm comfortable with um just going forward with us right now so um just to be clear right going forward is putting together the operating plan and coming back and talking about it right okay joe yeah if we can throw throw in some sort of uh work or um some justification as to the number instead of being random and instead of being just somebody's thought process and and that's fine if someone wants to say okay based based on my experience on this per you know per hundred thousand per 10 000 residents this has been a successful number and we've had

41:38 use of most all those bikes and there's still been some in reserve as opposed to if you go to san diego you'll see their bikes all over the place and all over all their sidewalks enough to where it's almost like you're tripping over them so they got so many bikes in there that it's just ridiculous so i you know again i don't want you know and corey has said it and then i'll repeat it is that we i want to look through this as how springfield would do it i don't want us to be east eugene i want us to be springfield and i want us to be uh go through this and systematically and where i can tell my taxpayers people that voted for me is saying yeah we vetted this like crazy and there's just it just makes it to where it's just no way we could say no that's where i want

42:23 to be just give me the pointers where it'd be foolish for me to say no and i'm okay with that so i think if we can get some of those answers back into ends and and just like what the mayor was saying is i'm fine with looking at it i'm not i'm not at a dead stop no steve it's interesting talking about sites sites will self-select we're going to set them up out there some are going to work fine some aren't there's going to be places where a natural site should be and be moved there and at least take care of itself yeah okay um anybody else emma do you have enough direction here this has been really helpful i appreciate the direction to you know work with the transportation options specialist position it will be filled by kelsey moore uh in april that is the

43:08 individual who's in that position housed at alcog working in springfield not a eugene person and then we'll also look at the grant funding start getting into more of the details one thing that i think was really incredibly helpful for launching eugene system has been done in multiple other communities is asking community members where they'd like to see hubs actually located and that kind of resonates with what council radley was saying around outreach so i just would love a little bit of clarification on whether you'd also like this to get to that stage in the process where we're soliciting input from community members saying we're we're pursuing this we're moving in this direction what would you like to see how do you want to see this rolled out in a springfield way with the springfield lens joe

43:56 thank you sean um emma no i i appreciate that and i think that would be a uh somewhere to get to a yes um i one of the one of the things that i definitely want to get answered to and i and you bounced around a little bit as far as the local bicycle shop owners i want to hear a deadpan they support it or not not as far as they support bicycling world and they support bicyclists well of course they do they have shops but i want to know if they are told okay we're looking at putting a hundred bikes within a few blocks of you and that that you're okay with that and that do you see that as an issue and and i don't i want to get their blessings okay i don't want to fight business owners especially but like you said two have closed down i don't want to be any part of of the survivorship of any

44:42 others that that we can make or break potentially with something like this i don't know but i would love to be able to get their backing uh their support and some outreach exactly what uh councillor raleigh was talking about some some actual feedback from from people that are not that are not bpac i mean let's let's face it bpac members are bicyclists and that's fine they're they're experts in their field but but we have taxpayers and we have other people that may be impacted that um don't necessarily like bicyclists on the streets even though there should be but to get opinions that way we can say hey we talk to folks we talk people are against it we argued against this we fought for this and we're moving forward

45:27 so i can tell you once you get me on board you you'll have me on board for sure so try to get me there okay and emma um if we could provide some some feedback to elcock to kelsey moore and have her just sort of stop by on one of the times when we're taking public comment and introduce herself um i i don't know that we've met like i'm looking around and i don't think anybody's met her yet even though she's brand new will be brand new in april i think that would help connect some of the dots we are going to adjourn we are going to be back in this room at 6 30 on a different meeting link we are going to be in executive session

46:13 at 6 30. so i'm going to adjourn us until then we are adjourned thank you