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Springfield City Council — April 11, 2022

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0:05 i'm going to call the springfield city council work session to order with roll call van gorden here councillor pitts here councillor mo here council rodley here counselor stare here sponsor woodrow here constaptionary i'm here thank you all right uh we have two items tonight the first one is the overnight parking program code change and i don't know if sandy or christina is presenting all right come on up parking program code change um this is a code change that is recommended by the city attorney's office you're getting feedback are you okay

0:50 okay um to address um to try to maintain some of the status quo around the current overnight parking program that is operating at catholic community services during a recent zone change process that was intended to allow them to expand their operations under a city sponsored grant it was discovered i guess we came to understand that they do not actually operate um as a place of worship or a church from that location and the overnight parking program is currently written to allow operation at churches and industrial locations so this is a proposal to adjust that definition to include nonprofits that operate um

1:36 in somewhat of a similar capacity that churches do it we did get some feedback that locating these overnight parking programs at government or public sector locations may not be appropriate so the original definition i was using came from the development code social and religious institutions which would also include things like community centers or other public sector properties um and so an attachment too i showed those different types of social and religious institutions by different categories of uses which would have included community centers because community centers are also often co-located with other types of services that might be

2:22 incompatible to the overnight parking program i would recommend that we actually adjust the code slightly from what is in your packet to reflect private religious and social institutions so that it would be clear that it does not include government programs unless those government entities apply under the code language that already exists for the internal shelter program and that was a code that was adopted by the council several um years ago a couple years ago so it would leave open that existing option for governmental buildings to be used but not for the governmental uses for the car camping program um so if there are any questions i'm happy to answer them merrily

3:11 um i didn't have a question i read through it and i was i like the way it's written i like how you know what it was trying to do what's it attempting to do offer an opportunity for more community partners to be able to um offer that service um so i'm i'm okay with how you've got it and i like the clarification of the definition that you just gave uh leonard so um could you describe the neighborhood that this new site is in i mean is it residential or where uh where where is the site that's in question so um this was brought forward because the of the existing site that's at catholic community services which is on g street um in springfield

3:57 um near well it's a g3 and 11th i believe um the address is yeah 1025g street so it's right between 10th and 11th um so they've been operating there under the church provision but they're not operating as a place of worship they're offering operating as a non-profit entity at that location so okay tenth and cheetah that used to be a school across across from across from it yeah okay all right um i'm just trying to visualize where it is yeah i um i i checked the uh the phrasing on this new um this new code change and it looked good to me thank you corey so i just want to clarify the sort of public versus private um would that

4:44 still include like just non-profits like social service non-profits it would include social service non-profits that fall within the definition we're proposing which would be property being used as a place of worship for providing charitable services to the public as a fraternal or civic organization and then we would remove as a community or senior center since those are public uses so it would include places of worship charitable services to the public and fraternal and civic organizations so it was intended to be those types of non-profit uses that our public facing in a similar manner as a church or place of worship it also gets the staff out of the position of questioning

5:30 religious beliefs and determining if someone's eligible right and then my second piece of that and i read it in here and i just wanted to like hear the clarification because some of those um sort of private social service non-profits don't necessarily they might be on leased land so they would still need to have like whoever the the the property owner it looked like um would be the one who would have to permit it or does it is is it that still as least land if they're operating a social service or public number whatever we're calling it would still be able to do it does that make sense um it would require permission of the property owner as written we're not proposing to change that product okay thank you

6:15 uh merrily had one one clarification and that is that even with the changes it still falls under the uh requirement that it's three thousand square feet to an acre right is that i mean the the the size where anything would be offered still falls under that requirement is that correct that is correct all of the same program standards would apply okay thank you joe thank you so i i'm getting mixed signals as some people are looking at this as an expansion of the program and others are just a definition of the

7:00 current program my understanding in looking at the materials presented it's not necessarily an expansion it just clarifying the definition is that correct it is a small expansion is how i would characterize it currently churches are eligible there are about uh 40 or so locations in springfield that would fall under the definition of a church i don't know whether those all meet the size requirements obviously they're not all willing or wanting or able to participate this would add less than 10 potentially eligible sites based on what staff could identify now there might be other locations we didn't identify that might fall under this definition so that's that's based on that diagram then

7:45 amendment number two attachment number two was just staff's identification of the example types of facilities that we could think of that would fall under um that would be part of the i guess expansion the minor expansion of the program we did not contact any of these entities or organizations and ask about their willingness to participate i assume um willingness to participate in the program will still largely be contingent on the council's decisions around providing funding for the program which is entirely separate so and we're not proposing right now any changes to the way that council administers the program so very small change in eligibility um in terms of numbers intended to help you maintain the status quo okay so

8:30 what i'm looking at too is that i'm a little at a quandary kind of not i don't know if upset is the right word and whatnot but you've added that that somebody some staff have added some areas that are in their minds potential but some of those areas they cannot uh legally do it by their own policies and so it kind of puts them in a spot where it's like others are looking at them saying hey let's how about we can contact them and see about putting some uh some some attent housing area for people that are homeless when those folks cannot buy their own rules or policy even entertain that so it's it's i just don't want people to look at this list and say hey let's contact these places and see if they'll do it when when really it's putting them between a rock and a hard place

9:15 i'm working i'm talking semi-cryptic because i don't want to put anybody on the spot so so i think i guess what i'm saying is that these lists should before they're put out in the public should be proofed to see if these organizations can even do it so just take that for what it's worth so there's there's a couple areas that they can't even do it but i do want to go back to the document that you provided in the packet and it said um minimum requirements must be met to participate comma i'm on the actually in the ais under discussion financial impact second paragraph about the second to the last line in that second paragraph where it says minimum requirements must be met to participate including neighborhood compatibility and i don't know if i've ever seen a definition of what

10:01 neighborhood compatibility is and who makes that determination and what kind of process decision making process so it is a an objective look as opposed to a single person's subjective look i just want to make sure that we have some sort of process or there's there's a there's a rules on which what an employee that they just got hired tomorrow can follow just throwing that out there i think i think it'd be wise for us to have a objective uh process in which they determine the determination of neighborhood compatibility it that seems very subjective

10:47 and then moving on on the document i also see that that um under uh under eight zero eight point zero one four i'm sorry one two paragraph three under um attachment one page three of three where it's where it states to talk about a property owner who permits overnight shelter shelter pursuant to subsection one may revoke the permission any time and for any reason upon revocation permission or for overnight shelter the permittee shall leave the property intermediately will they will they not fall under the rules of of the fed process and we cannot no one can force them out immediately until that fed process has been exact expired or has been exhausted

11:33 i can start back answering questions moving backwards if that works sure sure the way this is written it does not fall under the fed program because they are not being leased space and the program agreements that um individuals sign make that clear so we're not concerned about an fed eviction process for either the overnight parking program or for the indoor program that's under the same oh good code regarding who makes the decision around whether something would be incompatible with a neighborhood or constitute a public nuisance that by code is the city manager or the city manager's designee so it's up to the city manager to make that determination or to decide who the appropriate person to make that designation um would be and then um on your first point

12:19 it's certainly my apologies if any of the property owners depicted on this map thought it was representing that they should be lobbied um as a future site tried to make it really clear in the discussion at the top of the attachment that these were not potential or um the types of eligible uses um and so trying to trying to give the council an example of what you're being asked to approve acknowledging that it's difficult to do that without concrete examples but my apologies if that gave the wrong impression in the past no and i totally read that i read that summary at the top and that kind of a disclaimer and and i i totally see where you're going with but i'm just looking at it from some other property owner's perspective hearing about this and being named in these documents and potentially

13:04 a scientist for this type of program can cannot can actually cause consternation amongst that organization where they've been trying to deal with that on their own so i just want to be let those folks know that that we're sensitive to that that's not what we're doing and then um then lastly on uh number six on 8.012 subparagraph or paragraph six where you are indicated with private security services i would i would i see how you scratch 181.870 subsection six i that's the definition of what a private security person is and um i i would be inclined to leave that in there so that way people can refer to that directly to say to see if

13:49 hey is this person actually meet the definition of a private security provider so that i would look at that and think about keeping that in there and then you may even you may even cite oar 259-060-300 and that's the organ administrative rules that define all these services and definitions of what what who has to be licensed to be able to do that counselor 181 870 was renumbered to 181 a 840 and so that is the statutory reference i've included in there oh it's 840. okay i'm keeping the statutory references and just updating from nightwatch person to private security services as used by the statues so it was my intent to keep those definitions as used in the statute

14:35 so was it renumerated to was the 870 was was it not renumerated to the 840 subsection six it was renumbered to eight one eight one eighty one a eight forty seven and eight and i will double check that i don't have a typo there um i'll just make a note to triple check that statute but the 181 was generally changed over to 181 a couple years ago that was the old one yeah and i don't know if you want to use the oar but it's it's pretty explanatory so if anybody wants any information whatsoever about this whole that whole topic that they can dive into that oar and it's pages upon page of definitions so i don't know appreciate that appreciate it i think it's well constructed like i

15:20 support the change on this code yeah and you know and i think that's a good call out about attachment too right is just simply being an example from to get us to understand what is actually what are what we're actually approving versus a list of people that are interested in participating in this project and the reason i want to call that out is just make sure that everybody's clear that that's simply a a attachment related to trying to show us physical examples leonard did you have something else yeah just uh very briefly i i can understand that there would be when i read neighborhood compatibility obviously there are going to be some instances where an overnight parking program is clearly not compatible but there are going to be other instances where you

16:06 just sort of wait for neighborhood response and then you see if there's any way to modify the people who have concerns i mean is that accurate that's accurate and your current code that we're not proposing to change reflects that um need to sometimes do that either make changes in the way it's run or if if changes can't be made to terminate a program at a location if it can't be in compliance on an ongoing basis good deal thanks and just i guess to follow up on that question right and that's the way the code has always been written and really delegates that authority to the city manager correct okay i'm looking around to see if anybody's got other questions all right i think we're ready to take it back to a

16:51 public hearing when it's time this will come to you next week thank you thank you all right um second item is the annual use of force report with chief shear good evening everybody um and just for okay i want to confirm with aj that lily and sergeant master are going to be able to be on here as well thanks for the opportunity to present tonight before we begin i want to introduce sergeant massey who leads our professional standards division uh psd plays a critical role in the collection and the review of our yearly

17:36 use of force data and the creation of this annual force report so sergeant massey also plays a significant role in our accountability efforts within spd and he is an integral part of our leadership team he got assigned this role last year shortly prior to my arrival at spd and he has throughout this entire time continually demonstrated his commitment to improving our force reporting and accountability processes he's also been instrumental in driving the acquisition and implementation this year of the ia pro software that i've talked to you all about in the past i also want to introduce lilly wick who's here she is our community outreach coordinator but she's been assigned to professional standards for the last couple weeks to help with the creation of this report and the analysis of our

18:21 data from her previous career she has experience in data analysis so we're extremely fortunate to have her step in this year to assist us and take until we're able to fill our upcoming crime analyst and use of force analyst position which should be posted very soon in april of 2020 spd presented its first use of force report to this council and that report stemmed from a settlement agreement between the city of springfield and the estate of stacy kenney after a shooting death involving the springfield police department a culture of transparency in how spd polices this community is a key component to building trust and legitimacy and the use of force by police is a topic that demands a high level of transparency and a demonstrated effort to engage in

19:06 ongoing improvements a yearly reporting on force to include the amount of force used the types of force used the types and severity of injuries to everybody involved the demographics of those involved and transparency about lessons learned set us up as a community to experience an enhanced sense of legitimacy in the work that spd engages in and of the six pillars of 21st century policing this force data and the efforts that we engage in to reduce the need to use force and to reduce injuries touch on all six of those pillars and those include building trust with community policy and oversight leveraging use of technology community policing and crime reduction training and education and officer wellness and safety

19:51 so there's a lot in this report hopefully you've all had a chance to look it over before tonight there's a lot to cover so i'm going to turn over to sergeant massey and in order to have sufficient time to answer questions and of course if it's okay with you mayor i would ask that we hold questions till the end so we have plenty of time to engage in that discussion once we get through the the entire summary so if that's okay with you mayor we'll go ahead and turn it over to sergeant massey perfect thank you thank you chief can you guys hear me okay yes we can okay um like the chief said last year was our very first year of doing this um we had a pretty big year in 2001 a couple things we're pretty excited for one is the software um everybody's been hearing about called

20:37 ia pro we also implemented body cameras in 2001 as well um the chief in our 100 agreement with total transparency owning up to any shortcomings that we can learn and improve from um throughout this report we have been doing that and making notes to find ways to improve for next year and to dive deeper into this report and the capabilities the software has it's a very good complex software i'm confident in it i back it up lots of agencies use it and it's definitely something that's going to benefit us in years ahead i'm going to uh you guys have all the report in front of you i'm going to break it up into different sections i'm going to introduce what the ia pro is it's actually a two-piece software the

21:22 iapro software is what lives in my office out in the field what uh line staff use is what's called blue team i'll get more into that in a slider too and then we're going to talk about how it's entered by the line staff and how to read by management and then followed by the data and the numbers and recommendations with conclusions um we went live in november of 2021 on the software we had hoped to get live quite a bit earlier but due to covid and the vendor coming out that was the soonest they could come and train us as an organization we worked really well together and really worked hard to backfill the data into the system because we wanted to use this system because we talked about it we wanted it

22:07 we got it we backfilled everything into it that we could and efforts to compile this report for you today i'm going to try to define some definitions for you on the front end i'm also known as police lingo or some things we might know that other people don't know a couple different sections major definitions is going to be use of force and show a force um use of force this could mean a compelling compliance or overcoming a resistance to an officer's command in order to protect life or property to take a person into custody that's what an officer and in this report it uh categorizes it as a use of force a show of force is a show of force directed a specific

22:52 person to gain compliance an example of that would be um an officer displays a taser and tells the person they have their taser out if they don't comply they may get tased and then the person complies and gets placed in custody without any further incident that would be a show of force a police dog barking then saying we're going to send the dog if you don't stop running he stops running or she and that's a show of force with the dog we collect that data because we think it's important instead of just the uses as well um so you'll see in here different categories of show and use the next slide

23:39 so before the ia pro and blue team software came just a little back history and how we used to do it an officer would have a use of force incident they would type their report print photographs with it and then turn it into the ship supervisor and that ship supervisor would review it check it for accuracy and send it through to my office and since we've now gone to the blue team we've expanded the review approval process we've added another layer and the blue team so in the top left corner that's the blue team icon that's where the officer will click on that out in the field and they can fill this out while still out on shift on the road and then they will go through and start

24:24 doing their check boxes of things they're going to go into what kind of incident was it what kind of force was used any injuries injuries to them everything we would ever want to know there's a silhouette diagram there that you can even put on there exactly where it occurred at on them and on the officer once they get that all together then they send it to the supervisor who was on ship at the time of the incident so there's a familiarity with them they were on shift with them when it happened and then they can take it and start triaging and looking through it as well once the sergeant gets it they're going to get the blue team look at all the data that this officer's entered they're going to get the police

25:10 report they're also going to get any body camera footage and basically make a package deal and then review it all for completeness accuracy uh making sure everything's within policy making sure the video lines up with what the narrative and the report says and once they feel that it has passed all that then they set it up to their lieutenant which would be the patrol commander that patrol commander now is the new level that we've added and they are going to do the same thing read the report watch the videos everything gets looked at and it's traced and it's time stamped from who was in it who was doing what and then from there it goes into my office electronically into the iapro data where it gets converted and i just

25:55 do minor cleanups of something whether something was missed of a they input the case number wrong with a hyphen or not with a hyphen or simple things like that they can also during this process submit something directly to me or the chief of police if there's any misconduct or any other allegations as well but the system is it's very complex it's good we're still learning it we're going to learn more about it we've just barely dabbled into the capabilities of it i know there's even more we can do with it so we've already made some suggestions and i'm sure you'll have some as well and i'm eager to hear those are so we can adapt and pivot and accommodate those down the road the next slide lily

26:40 please this is going to be how the system counts use of force incidences basically on the left hand side is the event that's what occurred and then you'll see this is a situation where two police officers could have eight uses of force so this could maybe be like a street fight or something where there's three three people involved and over there on the category those could be categories of what occurred or what force was used and then on the right that's going to total up to 8.

27:26 yeah and so how we do it is we're totally transparent we want it to say 8. you could probably count this as three because it's three people we are counting each use of force not each person so we want it to be fully out exactly what we're doing what was used but it definitely shows how things can add up and it will document if the officer used one one thing and then work to the next thing and it shows you know the common of what's being used the most by officers there's a whole whole array of different categories which i'll get into a little more we'll stay on that site for now

28:11 i'm on page five every use of force report that's going to be the demographics there's a pie chart and it also flows onto a page six regarding age related subjects uh page nine is kind of where the data starts this is where officers involved they were a deadly weapon was introduced into their situation so in 2021 we had 190 events 14 of those involve people who were confirmed to be armed with a deadly or dangerous weapon that's going to be defined as an instrument or an article or substance specifically designed for potential capable of causing death or serious injury 14 of those somebody was armed with that

28:58 and 19 of them the officer perceived that they had that and the first perception of that would be it might not be visible to the officer but the officer believes there was a weapon based on the subject's behavior totality of the circumstances including any information officers may have had before the event reaching for a bag witness information or something reported on scene another kind of hard time a lot of agencies have had is training in 2021 we were able to complete the department of public safety and standard training requirements they require police officers to have a minimum of eight hours of use of force training in a year

29:46 they also offered an extension to agencies who are not able to complete that do the covet training restrictions capacity issues not being able to send people to trains that got cancelled as springfield police we opted to not apply for that and still move forward with training because we believe it's very important and not to let tactics and skills go static out of the eight required springfield police was able to complete 23 hours of use of force training and various subjects let's see you know it's extremely important that we don't stop the training we got very creative how we could do it we ended up using online services doing them during roll call they were able to complete those while on ship down the road so we just wanted

30:32 to really keep that going and actually was pretty successful 23 hours out of the required age is actually pretty good for a year um some more numbers effectiveness of some tools is what it's titled here tools of force within the data we discovered that a taser a discharge of a taser that means the taser was applied the trigger was pulled and activation occurred out of out of that that was the least effective tool out of the tasers however i don't want to discount that that still is a very important

31:17 and very good tool to use it was still effective 77 almost 78 percent of the time it was applied it was effective and the reasons why i wanted to point this out is because a lot of people in the public don't know why a taser wouldn't work and in these cases we looked into that to see why didn't they work why is it listed as the most ineffective one that we have and it things we found out was the person that it was used on they had really heavy clothing on and the the darts from it were not able to stick on one case the subject was running away that's kind of hard to to get sometimes too another one was a level of intoxication was of such that had no effect on the person and another one was another uh heavy

32:04 clothing during winter time that's kind of a common thing so you'll see that in the report but i don't want anybody to think that a taser is not an effective or a good tool to use it's very good and learning from this we're going to make notations of this for training to kind of go forward because we want we would like everything to be effective that we use the second least effective and i'll get to this one a little more later is the leg and hand strikes that was at 79 effective uh lily next slide please so this is when we start getting into the weeds with the numbers here

32:49 the springfield police department their their phone rang 50 000 times essentially and they were dispatched officers two calls those calls for service up on the top could be cso cahoots anything officers dispatched the calls regarding the same category 28 779 it's quite a bit out of those 28 000 calls for service force was used 190 different times by the springfield police department a show of force was 93 times there's going to be a difference there as i explained earlier

33:36 the springfield police department arrested 34 3 500 people 3 483 individuals got arrested resulted in a show of force 2.76 of those people and a use of force was 5.46 so if you [Music] if you do do the math on that that's a lot of people contacted with some sort of force and there will be some categories down the road that you'll see what falls into those categories i'm hoping some of the questions will be answered as we go along um fluid on this next is going to be the police officer holds and that is usually involves someone who's having a mental health crisis

34:21 that is when an officer deems that they are in danger to themselves or others and they take them on what's a called a police officer hold where they are then transported to a medical facility for the evaluation so the number at the bottom you'll see that we used force on almost 13 and a half percent on those that looks high on the front end but um 122 of those no force was used they were able to do that so i'm going to dabble on that a little later in the report as well

35:07 so we talk a lot about when force was used when it was used etc but i like to also point out when it was not used those numbers usually aren't highlighted very much i don't think um force was not used in almost 3 300 of the arrests that's 94 and a half percent of our arrest did not have any use of force involved i think that's a good number for the size everything we do always can you know you can look at it and see what we can learn from but almost 95 percent of every everybody that gets arrested we don't use force on them at all

35:53 um lily next slide please we're going on to the injuries so this is involving injuries on the police officers all police officers that got injured there's categories of minor injury complaint of pain and then abrasion and laceration on the front end some of these seem like the same thing and we're probably right and that's part of the learning process of the softwares how we can dissect that and can we customize it to kind of put these in one category at the bottom number you see that 16

36:39 injuries were reported so that's not going to be 16 officers there was actually nine officers that were injured 16 is just how many injuries were totaled up one officer could have two of these sections they could have cut something open and had a minor injury or complained of pain so we're going to look into that to see what what what is that telling us and how can we collect that differently possibly uh next slide lilly to the subject injuries so these are people who are under the arrest section who got arrested and had some kind of injury the left-hand side again is the injury

37:24 on the right is what occurred during that incident that caused that the bottom number is 63 and total people was 44. so i have 28 779 calls for service 44 people were injured um one of the one of the main contributors to that is going to fall under the [Music] the hand on the lake strike that that that usually is the number one and i'll talk a little more about it but that's where it's going to fall into

38:10 um 25 percent of the arrests we do resulted in injuries either of the officer or the subject 74 to 75 percent of them do not um the springfield the city of springfield we also have our own municipal jail and last year in 2021 our jail accepted 1 380 inmates now those inmates range from people brought in from the springfield police department the us marshals um eugene police junction city police and coburg police and out of 1380 inmates that were booked

38:55 there was some use of force on 50 of them um something that the data doesn't show unless we start reading each individual report that is a question is what is that a result of them coming off the road hostile is that is that just you know a continuation of their behavior from when they came in on the police car or is that something that happened just in the jail um control hold is the number one um method used in the jail and like before i talked about how two police officers and three people could be eight uses of forces the jail is actually a lot higher because if somebody in the jail needs to get their clothes off and be

39:40 strip searched for instance there's going to be probably four jailers one on each arm one on each leg so you got four employees now each one of those employees is doing what you're going to call a control hold probably escort hold on the way there and they're going to strip them and put them in there so i mean you could just off that one person have almost 10 incidences hang on my legs just went off so the joke kind of has a unique way and we're going to try to learn how to kind of go from that but

40:26 157 applications of some force were used at the springfield medicinal jail and that's only that's four percent of the total people booked in to the springfield jail and that's including people that came from other areas that weren't you know springfield citizens or something else from another agency as well so this is kind of while going through this and dissecting some of the data um we kind of learned some things or kind of raised an eyebrow some things to maybe look deeper into doesn't mean something was wrong but it might be something we want to look further into

41:11 one of them earlier i mentioned was the police officer holds that was 13 of those had some kind of some fashion of some use of force the question is why is that so we started kind of looking into and seeing well some things just happen but also as an organization we haven't had crisis intervention training for several years now things have changed possibly and that's something we're going to look at to one of the recommendations we have is to schedule some crisis intervention training in the early of this year as much as kova allows us to do it we used to do a pretty big one and we really as an

42:02 at organization we do so we're trying to be creative to figure out a way to do that but that's definitely one of the recommendations we have the second recommendation is going through this report and how we have this new approval process we make the officers input uh their data into the blue team software which i get later on the back end of it it's not in our policy and so one of them is we're going to put in our policy that they shall complete um the blue team entries and the the process at which it gets reviewed and or diverted from misconduct to me will be laid out in there as well but we do definitely need to have very clear exactly this is what we need to do this is how it needs to be done and put it in there very clear for uh all of staff and management to

42:48 know how to process these number three this is going to go back to the hand and leg strikes we're going to take a closer look at this to be honest it's probably a historical high number for hand strikes to cause injuries according to our system and the data that we put in 38 of all of our officers injuries were a result of a leg or a hand strike which is only affected 79 of the time those in management or no if you break your hand they don't recover in two days it's very cost costly to the city and there's a lot of downtime so we can prevent that

43:33 that'd be great that same that same use of force also contributed to 30 percent of the subjects that were arrested to their injuries so we're going to take a look at that data we're going to further analyze it and discuss with our control tactics team our command staff our training staff we're going to try to find possible alternatives to reduce injuries and increase effective arrests going forward number four was it involves pepper spray we looked at this and said no one used pepper spray that doesn't mean they couldn't or they shouldn't but it was why and

44:18 pepper spray is known to be kind of an aerosol cloud sometimes when you when you use it and people might be scared to use it you spray it indoors a good example someone said is that a movie theater a security guard i believe sprayed it in the movie theater and the whole theater had to get evacuated because it affected everybody pepper spray actually is very effective i've been pepper sprayed it hurts it works it's not life-threatening and it is a very good tool something one of our control tactics team instructors brought to our attention was is there's a gel version i never knew this so we told them please explore that and they came into the demo and

45:04 this is a jail it's not a mist it's more of a direct fire out the without the can and right on to a person with little to zero effect hopefully on anybody else around unless there might be some splatter coming off of someone or something or ricochet off of an object the second part of why this gel option might be good is there's an aftercare product that comes with it normal pepper spray when you get sprayed it's basically sit and wait and you gotta wait and you gotta wait until it's done cooking on your skin this has uh some kind of topical cream or something and you apply it to the person it was applied on and it drastically reduces the effects

45:51 and it pretty much stops it which is pretty wild because everybody that's been pepper sprayed wants it to stop um so we're going to look more into that which i which i think is going to be a good option as well recommendation number five kind of falls on to the employees we want our employees to be healthy we want to be happy physically mentally we have a peer support team here that really is great for the individuals to fall back on we strive to push and organize a physical fitness program anything we can do to try to build a well-being so that they can provide a good service and provide a quality

46:36 product and come to work excited knowing they have people here to back them up knowing if they have a problem they can talk to somebody and hopefully that can just help the overall product that they can produce for our community recommendation number six may of 2021 a use of force incident was triggered by the springfield police department the force review board found some recommendations which i noted in this report and some of those recommendations are to reinforce additional options for instance using a trained negotiator on a scene when the situation becomes static start start using more options and more

47:21 resources that we have available don't be shy to ask for more help or to say hey what we're doing is not working what should we do emphasize more on de-escalation training and update for the cit refresher classes that was involving recommendation number one also we recommended that dispatchers be included in the department the escalation training i think that's very well to include them here at springfield art dispatch is in-house they're not um off-site or service we know each other i think it's very important that we all are on the same page as a team and kind of have the same training i think that's very very important policy recommend recommendations

48:08 in that it says if a supervisor on shift um is involved in like a use of force incident that they're going to be on the board the chief i think that's very very awkward because they're actually subject to being reviewed themselves as part of the forest review board part of that is is was the supervision done right and to go through that so we think it's we think we need to remove the supervisor from being on the board and implement another another supervisor so the conclusion and i'm sure a lot of the questions is how does this compare to last year because i wanted to know that the whole time doing this thing too from what i can tell we're down

48:54 um a little bit but it's we can't compare it the same because we did not have iapro we basically used excel in 2020 to be honest so from this year this is going to be our baseline foundation and we're going to tweak some things and customize some areas that we think will reduce the fogginess of some of the data or categories and we're going to move forward from there and try to create a baseline to just always go off of every year i'm still confident that this is a really good system i think it's really good for our officers it's going to have accountability and total transparency and we can ask questions and pull data from this thing super fast and learn trends or what's happening and

49:40 what's not that we've never ever had before this is a totally new thing for us and i'm super excited that we have it and i look forward to seeing really what its full potential is because to be honest we're still driving this new software on training wheels it is a very big good system and i i know it has lots of capability that we haven't tapped into yet so i'm ready for questions if anybody has any that i didn't answer within there or that weren't defined in the bottom of the report all right we're going to start through the questions and pretty much everybody's got questions now so we're going to give them to your rapid fire style uh joe do it oh thank you hey uh mike if you can go back on your page uh

50:26 page 9 of 18 you indicate the effectiveness and methods for methods and tools of force you indicate it towards the bottom where it says 40 millimeter non-lethal i'm really concerned about the terminology on that do are you using uh what rounds are you using that 40 millimeter meter do you have exact direct wood baton beam metallic or bean bag or rubber ball rounds which ones do bpd or springfield pd carries for the 40 millimeter yeah it's those like blue tip sponge round things i believe okay so those are i think those are called a direct impact or exact impact probably direct impact so on those um they even say on that round case not to be deployed less than 33

51:13 feet away from the subject so it's and or potential that uh serious or death could result so so i'm looking at i'm looking to say maybe just a simple twist of that term to so we don't find ourselves in a corner by just simply writing you know going right back to the 40 millimeter less than lethal as opposed as opposed to non-lethal because i think they actually can be lethal depends upon the the contact area when that's when those are deployed in the distance from deployment okay yeah i had a hard time trying to find proper verbiage for a lot so i appreciate that feedback i'll talk to the um the control tax of people about exactly what they're called yeah and plus that doesn't and plus that doesn't limit you for what kind of rounds in the future you may want to purchase for the 400

51:58 millimeter you could go to rubber balls or wood baton and those are you know those are definitely not non-lethal rounds so okay just didn't want to see it box yourself in the corner thank you and then on the uh when you're going back to your recommendations recommendations three and four i think are really tied together when you were talking about uh leg and hand strike and i'm really glad you expanded on the pepper spray options i know that uh one thing i want to caution you folks is that you'll find that the gel oc that's deployed that same material can be gathered up on that person's face and thrown back on the officers so that so you want to maybe look at a pepper spray that comes comes out as a foam and then efferdescence to a liquid on that person's face so it's less likely to be gathered up

52:45 um and so you hit and and again those leg hand strikes that the data that you have you really brought up a good step a good uh part of that is that i think you really need to look at you know a lot of old school training a lot of old school uh training officers uh go right to hands-on and i think you need to look at okay from what distance were they initiating that contact by moving in on that subject to for example the self-extraction or and or removal of a vehicle do they uh in other words they weren't immediately had to re to to go to a hands-on leg take down or leg kick because of the proximity they're right on top of them versus moving in on somebody and using that tactic so i think those are two

53:30 different things and where if they're moving in on a person i think there's a much higher uh need for for going to an option force option such as oc first and and there is many different varieties of oc out there for sure you know stream stream fog mist whatever but uh that's something i would like to see that did they move in on a person and use a hand strike or leg strike or do they have to because of a immediate defensive reaction so i think that plays a big role and then also as far as material to clean up dish soap with that cuts oil is perfect for pepper spray by the way okay um and i think those are really the only two things i think the report was very

54:15 complete and i really appreciate your thoroughness on this and it and it clears up a lot of things in my mind and hopefully clears up a lot of things in the citizens mind thank you appreciate that you bet right so before we continue could we maybe drop the slide so we can uh get a better view of everybody thank you um i'm gonna go with leonard um thanks uh well uh good news first uh no fatalities that's um that's the most welcome development and um happy to see it i was also uh happy to see that the hand leg strikes were only 9.1 percent of the uses of force but as you did say the uh hand leg strikes also caused 32 percent of the injuries um

55:00 do you have any kind of statistics on how many times de-escalation was attempted before the land-like strikes were used this is sort of um i guess a sideways um approach to counselor pictionary's question yeah um i don't on this because a lot of this was backdated and the policy before um some of it might not have a de-escalation is part of our use of force now so usually by the time it gets to that now that should have been attempted and um do you know that it was no i didn't pull each of these up i'm going off of the back dated data okay um and uh the the other question i um i did want to ask um

55:47 is at what point in the continuum is our hand leg strikes used i uh first of all a leg strike is that a kick is that pretty much what what that is i mean that's part of the body or it could be like a sweep of the legs or like a knee but that would be a takedown right a leg uh a sweep a sweep of the leg yeah it just kind of depends on how they did it i mean we're they're trying to learn and go off these big pick lists but it would be a leg strike probably is more i don't know if i've seen leg strength that's more like a karate move but i probably that would apply more to like a knee a knee of somebody okay so uh so it would normally be either a knee or a and in the case of a

56:32 hand it would be it would probably be a hand to the face yeah or or anywhere and it could be a kick too it's just going to hold on to the same thing here hey you'll get your turn um so um anyway uh i i i guess what i want to know is where in the escalation of force does the hand and leg strike come in um it could be there's lots of differences we don't really run off of the continuum um but that definitely if somebody you're saying you know you're trying to place them in the custody and you know that you have a weapon or something and they're diving

57:17 into their pockets yeah you can deliver those strikes because you're trying to get them to basically you know be out and get the hands out and grab comply yeah i i think uh counselor pictionary actually asked a very good question on how many instances were the um the subject advancing on the officer and how many times were the officer advancing on the subject that would be very useful information okay i'm making all these notes for the guy thank you all right merrily i have a curious question and and that asked regarding the the programming you talked about uh looking researching for trends trying to pay attention to

58:02 trends um is it possible to know what the parameters or know what what would be realistically in the indicative of a trend could you program that into the programming in the software you have that would flag a trend for you yeah that it does have it's called early um early identifier warnings essentially um basically it's gonna say you know like the leg hand strike let's say if we put it put it in there and we're still trying to figure out you know if we're going to use it or what numbers um if we put you know if we say the officer we're going to make the limit for 10 leg or hand strikes once they hit 10 it shoots an alarm off and sends me a thing

58:48 and we look at that and is it is there a problem there or is it is this an employee who works a million hours of overtime so he just has more exposure than another person there's there's deeper into the weeds we go with it if we want to but yeah you can do that it even does it for vehicle pursuits and everything okay that's that's what i was curious about because it sounds like it would be very handy and it would save you folks time uh if you're trying to look for something specific it would already be there for you um yeah that that's the that's the good thing of this is that that's what we used to do is spend a lot of time looking and this thing doesn't look before us right right yes otherwise i i appreciate the uh degree to this report that this report was done and

59:35 especially in comparison to previous uh i look forward to being able to compare in the future uh and and seeing how it lines up year to year being able to use this software so thank you recognize all the work thank you corey thank you um i very much appreciate this report and i appreciate you digging into the pieces of it and um having this as a baseline moving forward and i don't really have questions but i have some suggestions um and i want to sort of dig in and encourage us to sort of dig into some of the nuances particularly around the demographics one

1:00:20 of the things that i would love to see um we're trying we're tracking male and female and i've mentioned this before if there's a way to track um gender non-conforming or folks that maybe are not being um interpreted based on male or female in terms of gender because i think that's an important piece for us to consider um the other thing i'm interested in is how do we connect the demographics to um what happens so it's one thing to say here's what's happening and here's how many people and here's you know black white latino latino latinx that sort of thing but to connect that to the necessary to maybe the escalation or the perceived danger or

1:01:06 what happens in terms of injuries and by that i mean i'm interested in seeing if are folks of certain demographics more likely to be injured and i'm not just interested in that in terms of um folks who are being arrested but also our officers and we don't have any demographics here in terms of who are officers and who are the people who are answering these calls but i'm also interested in tying those injuries that are happening for officers to demographics so are you more likely to be injured if you fit if you're a female officer or are you more likely to be um injured in a certain situation so i think those are ways that we can start to really get into the the kind of culture of our organization and start to really

1:01:51 lean into if if we're going to really take care of both our officers and our community members thank you thank you damian hey y'all uh so my first question is is it possible for uh springfield residents to be uh a part of any section or segment of the crisis intervention training uh to i'm just curious you know i mean i understand you know physical and mental well-being and things like that i'm just i i want a little bit more information about what are some of the

1:02:36 things that you might do that are gonna you know support you know physical and mental health but then also uh potentially humanize uh certain citizens that in the eyes of some citizens and you know uh law enforcement officials might not be seen as as as much a human as others so yeah those questions um so the cit that's going to be more for the the officers to learn how to handle kind of uncomfortable situations they're not used to you know that's usually involved in the people with mental health and then the other part i think will you tying into the

1:03:21 the well-being of the officers like the pure support of that kind of doing that even how we incorporating the wellness for the officers is that what you're referring to right uh i mean so i guess kind of what i'm getting at is like what are some of the things that uh can be done that will uh get the officers in the community as citizens where they'll connect with other citizens which adds some layer of humanity to things which could potentially lower uh certain types of run-ins with certain individuals yeah i definitely i i mean i hate it i kobe made everybody disappear and go under their their houses but

1:04:07 it's super important for the police officers to interact with the community and not be you know kind of looked at as we don't want to talk to them or we can't approach them we need all of our officers approachable and to be able to talk to everybody the same and really the only way i think the best way to do that is to just do it to be honest with you just start having everybody interact and do these community events again and you know we do things where we try to [Music] you know invite community members coffee with a cop or you know anything we want you know i think the chief will back me up on this we'll go we're invited we'll go and you know we're we'll take feedback and we like being a part of it

1:04:57 you know there's obviously part of these the cit training is their specialized training on you know interacting with you know different people or different capacities or everything else like that and it kind of you know takes them a step back and realize that there's there's always a life just not criminals out there so that's part of what cit does as well and we have people within our organization who are the cit instructors and we send them off to bring back the training to help us in the house and one of them was supposed to supposed to go this month but it's now been moved to april or may and then she's going to come back for that answer your question thank you sir all right um i've got a couple of questions here

1:05:43 uh first of all i thought i thought the call out about the hand leg strikes and looking at the corresponding data was like that was the first thing that popped out to me as well right just for the frequency of being used plus the amount of injuries that it's creating for uh for officers and suspects it was definitely something that that stood out uh for me um could you help me understand more about how you're measuring effectiveness so if something's effective what what does that actually mean in the use of force report so basically they're putting in there if they used a taser they're going to check the box taser and it's going to ask them was it effective or not yes or no and so and then if it's no

1:06:29 then it says like did you use something else and then it says yes i used that was that effective yes that's how it works so okay so if for so it's uh maybe a measurement to sort of gain compliance if you will right so if it's effective some they've complied with whatever we're asking them to do at that point right it's a comp it's the effectiveness of the compliance not the actual yes okay so when when you look at the when you get the data sort of coming back and the reports coming back are people also looking at to see if the if we actually i don't know if the the initial order the initial uh decision uh that what we were asking them to comply with if if that what that on its own was

1:07:14 we essentially did the right thing yes that's part of that approval process that's the double layer of approval is you know something we want to look at is did this really need to happen was there something that occurred was there a conversation that didn't go well and it kind of created this yes they look at all that let me turn my lights back on that's time too maybe maybe the chief can put you know the power bill back in there um so in and i would assume if if you look at if you look at an incident sort of end to end right like when we provide sort of coaching and training we're we're doing it we're providing since we're looking at an end to end you know if i'm an officer

1:08:00 you're going to come come back to me and coach me sort of and and from the start of the incident all the way through through the end of it is that accurate uh well they're gonna review it that way yes and the supervisors will provide feedback if they think there's anything wrong with that okay um the other thing that i thought was um interesting like i was a big fan of how transparent we were getting with with um with counting incidents you were in the report it's up front um we're even if it involves sort of one suspect you know we're just being really transparent with what what actually is happening there do we track how many incidents of force are used per suspect

1:08:49 right because you give us a total count of how of how many times we did things but i don't we don't know if that's 190 people we we know that that is just 190 sort of of things and it would be really good it might be concerning if it was depending on how many folks were involved yeah it would be very concerning if the number was five for sure five different people so in this case there's 190 events on 174 different individuals so a small handful had more than one thing occurred okay um the other piece that uh really jumped out in the report was the difference between mean and median from from an officer perspective i know that that is sort of maybe phase two um could you maybe talk a little bit

1:09:35 about you know are we sort of comparing um individual off it's not in the report right but how how many uses of force individual officers have because it's clear in their from the data that you do have that some people are using force more than others yeah that's 100 accurate we do have that the chief and i ran that because we were curious um that definitely is a number that you need we need to follow it and we will um but you also have to look at it more and that is you know then we can get a whole payroll and say how many hours did this employee work a normal employee 40 hours a week is 2080 hours in a year we have some employees working 5 000 hours a year so by virtue of that

1:10:21 much exposure one that's that's a lot to work but they're going to have more exposure to things because they're working more and is it is it because of that or is it because there's a problem and we definitely look at that and we will be dissected not going forward we just you know putting our toes in the water with the system and that's definitely something we want to continue to look at um and if we see something we'll you know try to get to the foundation of what's really behind it opposed to just the number that first sticks out of this so and that's and that's the piece that i think like when we do the report again i would love to i would love to see and i am open to uh the pd bringing more statistics to make that make sense of it because i think just comparing sort of frequency per

1:11:07 uh officer is not going to tell the entire story but we also want to sort of take a look at you know broader you know hours worked right how many arrests you know just a lot of there's a lot of potential other detail that's going on um and then i guess the last thing i really wanted to end with is you started by saying this was the second report this is actually the third report and i think that's an important um that's an important detail because every time we've done this the first report was a pie chart the second report you guys went through and you dug out everything out of excel and looked at individual reports to put it together in the third report where it was much more data-driven and the data integrity piece was here and the reason i bring that up is because right like that's how continuous

1:11:53 improvement actually happens right so when when we see version four of this report we're gonna have more detail and more learnings about it and i would i'm i'm just encouraging you guys to keep leaning in and being as transparent as possible with the data and what you're doing with it and how it's actually changing because you know we're all only asking questions at this point the last thing i think is really important here and i'm in favor of this is the pd having conversations with sort of eugene and the sheriff's department and just asking the question do we track things the same way i know that it's all over the board about how people how people track this sort of data and if from a professional perspective if people are on the same page it may make this conversation easier

1:12:38 yeah i appreciate that and the chief and i want to be 100 transparent and some people don't like a lot of data that's how we bought this thing is to throw the data out there it's worthless if we're not doing it there's definitely some bumps involving the hours work thing because of how overtime works and contract stuff but we can look into that and identify any issues and try to get ahead of that i do know eugene police does use this the same software they're years ahead of us uh the program coordinator for it um is very helpful and i i owe her a lot of coffee for my question you know the chief got approval for a crime analyst to be assigned to my office and that's going to be basically they're going to be running this iapro train and really becoming fluent with it

1:13:25 and it's it's a very in-depth system that needs somebody to focus on it to do exactly what you're asking the sheriff's department i'm not sure what they use or not but i definitely because we're always compared to eugene i do agree we do need to be kind of on the same um you know table of how are we reporting this because we're constantly being you know evaluated we're separated by a freeway in a river so i agree that we probably should be trying to collect it the same way or at least if we're not explaining why we're not doing the way they do yeah so let me give you my like from a priority perspective right i would rather be more transparent than aligned with eugene right and you know when we always tell that story we always are like oh we should track it similar to eugene well maybe eugene should track it similar to

1:14:10 us but i but i also uh want to kind of come back to the mean and median question and i want and i want to want to make this observation i think it's important that we get to that level of detail and i think it's really important that like that we scrub like we scrub the individual employee names out of it right so like if we talk about bringing that forward i know that that you guys as a group will deal with the employee issues i want to make sure that you know you sort of you you sort of uh anonymize the data if you put in the report in the future okay joe thank you sean so uh it brings up i just got this thing

1:14:57 is haunting me so you have a you you run 12-hour shifts you're talking about officers it may run 5k hours a year but i'm all i'm what really has concerned me from the get-go is the 12-hour shift and then we're talking about officer that i'm thinking of officer fatigue and and which is a real thing and everybody knows it in that field in that profession i'm curious has anybody possibly taken a look at uses of force at the you know you have a 12 hour shift but then you have that that it's possible to run 5000 hours by just adding four hours which is 16 hours a day so that's where you get the double double a hours so but i'm

1:15:42 curious and if anybody else has been curious as far as the uses of forest on those last uh the incidents the occasion of use of porcelain that last four hours is that i know that that decision making process etc is slowed or hampered somewhat due to exhaustion and i'm i'm curious as to are we setting up or is it being in unintentionally set up to where that last four hours of overtime is placing the officers in a position in which they may be using more force than in normal hours when they are rested and i know it's obscure but it i think i think that uh iapro could probably pull that out i don't know but i think it'd be interesting

1:16:28 well i don't think it makes it 5 000 no it's just a number i thought but there's guys that works in overtime yeah i mean i mean i would ever think yeah same here i would that would i would like so like i don't know you know the lilies and maybe looking at that but that would have to tie into payroll and sure i mean it's 2022. i mean there's all kinds of things we could probably figure out it just might take a minute but um it just seems that if it's if it may be something that could be an identified risk then it would be it would be definitely worth not only for the officer's well-being but also for potentially a heightened use of force during that time that window and and if i'm wrong it may be that officers that are working that many

1:17:13 hours are too tired to get into stuff that could cause that type of thing because i've seen it that way also so but i think i think it would be if it's not too difficult i think it would be worth our effort to look at that and see if we can pull an anomaly out of just our shifting issues okay i'll see if see if that has the capability for that all right chief yeah i know you're running a long time i just wanted to touch on what council missionaries said so i know people work overtime but we have taken very deliberate steps in the last few months to limit the amount of consecutive hours an employee can work to 16 hours we have what's called a safety release time where obviously if there's a critical emergency we can hold people over but we're not going to allow anybody to work more than 16 consecutive hours so that's

1:17:59 a step we've taken because i think it is i i think it is um the data shows that if somebody were lacking sleep that it's going to impact their decision-making negative ways the last thing we want to do is have an officer make a bad decision fall asleep driving a car hurt somebody hurt themselves so we've taken we've taken steps to mitigate some of that i appreciate that chief we did the deputy uh the sheriff's office did lose a deputy with head-on collisions after a long shift so there's there's that but also what working can make a big difference lily i was just gonna talk a little bit from the data analysis perspective that is definitely something that can be analyzed it's

1:18:45 like tiredness and fatigue is definitely a subjective aspect of like an officer's shift but there there is a way to um look at force incidents and shows of force um over the course of like time of day night versus day um well-lit areas versus you know you're in the sunlight versus in a dark alley um and there there are ways where um i could potentially look and see like is a high number of use of force incidents in the last 25 of an officer's day or you know in the first half of the day um it's definitely analyzing the tiredness part and the fatigue part is a little subjective but

1:19:31 um finding where events fall in the course of a day is definitely possible all right thank you one good one last okay uh did i hear you say that dispatch is exposed to training uh one of the one of those i don't know what happens at the other end type thing say that i'm sorry dispatchers are are they exposed to the training so they know when they're dispatching what's happening at the other end that is um part of incorporating them that's what we want to do is include them in that yes okay uh i'm curious

1:20:16 i dialed 9-1-1 here now how the heck do i get springfield dispatch to a springfield situation uh you call 9-1-1 and they'll probably say what's the address of your emergency yes and they will detect it as a springfield address they will triage it and get the bare minimum information and then they will tell you or you probably don't even know but they're calling our dispatchers saying hey we have a springfield one for you and then they transfer you so it's transferred to springfield for actual springfield dispatch yes okay i was at a it is something the other night at university of oregon police used uh junction city for their 9-1-1 which i thought was sort of interesting i don't know why

1:21:01 that is but it must be a reason but thank you all right then it looks like that was all the questions um chief did you have anything else to add before we uh let you go um i just want to really recognize sergeant massey again elliott wig for all the work they put into this i think they did a very thorough job i think we can all agree that there is a lot more that we can do both training wise for our people here at spd and there's also a lot more we can do with this software and the data collection to help kind of guide where we're moving in the future and i'm committed to focusing on that moving ahead i think we're all committed to continuous improvements um i i'm impressed with what i broke and do but i know like sergeant massey said we're

1:21:47 just scratching the surface of what's available and the more that we put into it the more we can get out so this year i think is a good start but i think we can expect even better things moving forward all right well thanks for your time chief um it's looks like we're going to see you again in the fall for for another police update so we're looking forward to that conversation um then have a great night for we're going to adjourn and then re reconvene in an executive session so we will see the rest of the council and the staff on the other side we're adjourned thank you

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