Springfield City Council — February 6, 2023

0:05 I'm going to call the city council work session to order with roll call mayor Van Gordon here councilor Weber councilor Mo here Council Bradley here councilor Doyle here Council missionary here thank you we have two items tonight the first item is Spike share with Drew Larson it seems really low uh good evening my name is Drew Larson I'm a transportation planner for the City of Springfield uh and with me this evening is Kelsey Moore from the lane Council of government she is our transportation options specialist um and this evening we are presenting again on the bike share pilot program or Bike Share expansion into the City of Springfield also with me this evening is

0:50 Cascadia Mobility they are the operators of the existing PeaceHealth bike rides or Bike Share in the City of Eugene I've got Brody Hilton and Al hongo from Cascadia Mobility oh one too many there we go uh so just a quick little background for the new counselor members um we were back we were here in March of 2022 um and there was a general support of Bike Share in Springfield but there were some questions related specifically to what was the community feedback um what were the expansion details uh the evaluation criteria and process operation plan and timelines and funding details and so after that meeting uh

1:37 Kelsey Moore um did a number of community outreach and I'm actually going to turn it over to her for just a little bit and then I will be back shortly good evening so for those of you who weren't here when we presented in March of 2022 a couple of Bike Share Basics users can walk up to a Bike Share Hub which is a rental return location rent a bike take it for a short trip anywhere within the system boundaries and return it and leave it behind um generally Bike Share works best if it's situated densely and the hubs are situated close to each other I'm back so peace health rides launched in Eugene in April of 2018. currently it

2:22 has 300 bikes and 40 hubs those rental return locations the hubs are located near retail Transit and housing um it boasts a diverse ridership you'll see visitors residents and students using the current system in Eugene and over the past 12 months 150 000 trips were taken by Bike Share um so in Fall of 2022 we launched a community engagement process here in Springfield one of the questions Council asked when we presented in the past was does um spring do Springfield residents want to see Bike Share here and if so where do they want to see Bike Share operating so we launched a process we had an interactive feedback tool a web

3:07 page print materials digital materials and we also conducted in-person surveys at four key locations you can see some of the materials up there as well um here you'll see an example of the online feedback tool where residents could visit and give their information about where they would be interested in seeing Bike Share and the in-person survey in the in-person survey we learned that 76 of residents were familiar with Bike Share and 86 of excuse me of respondees to the in-person survey said they were interested in seeing Bike Share operate in Springfield

3:52 the operation zones it's kind of hard to read here to the in-person survey and the online feedback tool said that they'd like to see Bike Share operate in downtown was the number one um Mohawk Gateway Riverbend Centennial and Glenwood were close follow-ups to downtown or when asked where they'd like to see Hub locations the rental return locations some of the key places identified on the online feedback tool was William Elaine Park Swim Center the downtown LTD station planktown Public House and Doris

4:37 Ranch we also wanted to make sure that we heard directly from business owners property owners and developers as specifically in the downtown core as we anticipated that would be likely where Bike Share would operate um we so I I visited all the downtown businesses on Main Street um answering questions making sure they understood the project scope 13 downtown businesses chose to sign a letter of support and three key property owners and developers also chose to sign letters of support for a bike share pilot in Springfield we also interacted with willamalane throughout the process as we knew some of the rental return Hub locations could potentially be located near the path

5:24 system or in parks and um William Lane was eager to see the system operate in Springfield and also chose to sign a letter of support and I'm going to turn it back over to Drew to talk a little bit more about what the pilot proposal looks like for Springfield thank you Kelsey's Outreach and um Direction actually from city council uh back in the march of 2022 seeing stating that they would think that Bike Share expansion in the downtown Springfield the core area would probably be most suited for it that's actually

6:09 where Kelsey focused much of her uh public engagement and Outreach and just on this map um I believe we placed one in front of you it's just a heat map uh compiling all the information um from the online data survey the in-person surveys and so the you can see on that based on that heat map that the downtown core area was the the key areas in which um the City of Springfield residents would like to see it operate so again from that March 2022 uh work session um Council wanted to know a little bit more about the operations uh of the Bike Share system in Springfield and so with that staff along with Cascadia Mobility

6:54 evaluated the existing Eugene contract and operations and maintenance responsibilities and identified some key components in which uh I we view that should be key components of the contract and that includes ownership maintenance responsibilities um and installation of them as you can see here the City of Springfield would actually be the owners of the Hub infrastructure the racks signage those types of things cascading Mobility would own the bicycles and then following launch all maintenance including graffiti removal relocation um or in the eventual quality of ultimate removal of the Bike Share Hub

7:40 infrastructure that would all fall on either Cascadia Mobility or a private contractor to be funded through the grant so the timeline um it is funding determinant so once we have funding that'll kind of set that clock of when actually launch would occur so we don't have a solid date on that that's one of the items we were requesting this evening and so staff is proposing a three-year pilot program um this the three years staff feels is a good measure of success for a program it gets residence six months to a year to get comfortable with the new system a comfortable with the new Transit option that they have available available to

8:26 them it also aligns with regional grant funding Cycles which are about a three to four app or three to four year application and funding cycle so staff is recommending that three-year pilot program and again from that March 2022 work session Council was concerned with evaluation criteria as well as maybe even an off-ramp so staff is recommending an 18-month evaluation in which Council can decide whether or not to offering up the project or terminate the project or direct staff to seek additional funding for an ongoing Bike Share program in the City of Springfield so the Eugene system is currently funded by three different sources that is

9:11 sponsorship for the peace health rights are the primary sponsorships uh sponsorship there's Rider revenue and then there's Transportation grant funding all of which staff would pursue if Council directs us to pursue bicycle funding there is a unique opportunity this year through ODOT the Oregon Department of transportation's innovative Mobility Grant which specifically identifies Bike Share as an eligible project and that application process opens up probably fall of this year and so that would be a unique opportunity to pursue with funding um this one gets a little technical so I'm just going to read what I wrote just so I don't muddle through it so please bear

9:56 with me uh So based on secured funding and projected sponsorship and writer Revenue staff is seeking direction from Council this evening to secure approximately 410 000 in Grants to cover launch and operational costs for the proposed three-year pilot program including 338 thousand dollars to cover the three-year operations of Bike Share and seventy two thousand dollars to cover uh any remaining costs to refurbish the bicycles and the Hub infrastructure so with that comes uh local match requirements pretty much with any Grant uh and transportation funding local match ranges from 10 to 20 percent or in this case 42 000 to 82 000 in local match requirements

10:44 so with that um staff is recommending action this evening uh to request piece uh direct staff to request peace health peace health sponsorship uh pursue the 410 000 in Grants uh and then update Council when the funds are secured finalize Hub locations and service area bring an operations contract to city council for approval and update city council after 18 months of operation uh thank you and we are available if you have any questions Steve I I was at a mpo meeting last Thursday and I believe we okayed six hundred thousand dollars for Mike share operations to Eugene these programs mix

11:33 so I will probably lean on Brody here in a second so the the systems we're proposing that the system be operated by the same operator Cascadia Mobility uh that 600 000 for Eugene is for an expansion in Eugene uh and would not cover a pilot program in the City of Springfield yeah it still goes through peace out though doesn't it uh well peace health is the primary sponsorship of the Bike Share system yes thank you I I'll just answer that quickly I'm Brody Hilton with Cascadia Mobility um yes the answer to your question is yes the we would expand the network so that the bicycles would flow freely between Springfield and Eugene it would be operated as a single minute thank you Joe so I have a question in regards to so

12:20 there's money made through an app but people pay correct foreign correct there is writer Revenue okay and so refurbish a bike is a thousand dollars each and then you have people that are collecting money but it sounds like we have an expensive four hundred thousand not we I'm just saying the total cost of the programs it looks like 410 000. correct that 410 000 so we have secured funding uh a hundred thousand a hundred thousand dollars for bike refurbishment that wouldn't potentially cover the entire refurbishment um and we also received a regional bicycle enhancements Grant

13:05 um that was covering a good chunk of the bicycle infrastructure that we need Hub locations those types of things so that 410 000 is one three hundred thirty eight thousand dollars in operational costs that's just to operate the system for three years and then about 72 000 to cover the shortfalls in the launch that we don't already have secured so it's about 120 000 a year operationally uh yeah 110 120 000 operational yeah and so the profit from the people paying on the app where does that go so that goes into the operator so actual operation of it is more along the lines of 800 and what is it 865 000 and so with

13:51 sponsorship from peace health rides Rider Revenue you're looking at income or subsidies I don't know however you want to look at of 527 000 and so that 410 000 would cover the shortfall on operations and again the remaining portion of the launch so the total actual cost of the program is you're saying is about 800 and something thousand is that right 865 000 to operate to run it operationally I'm just trying to figure out what the price tab is that's what I'm trying to figure out so total price tag with launch Hub infrastructure we're looking at just over a million dollars for a hundred bikes for 100 bikes Hub infrastructure uh maintenance responsibilities operation all over me my math says

14:37 that's a hundred thousand dollars a bike right um divided by a hundred I I 100 and some odd thousand per bike over the over the life of that program and my someone helped me with my math I could be way off yeah the ten thousand dollars bike uh over the life of the program and yes we we have received uh bicycles and the refurbishment is about a thousand dollars a piece um all in uh technology included paint all that um so yeah the total need for the program would be on the order of four hundred thousand dollars for the for the three-year pilot um the revenues earned would we would be approaching peace health to sponsor the

15:22 program uh since all my math was wrong I just it just click so yes about 10 to 12 10 11 000 per bike for the three-year period and that also though includes uh the rack infrastructure which which is a sort of a separate uh bucket if you will the when we talk about infrastructure to support the program we're talking about standard bicycle racks which any anybody riding a bicycle can can lock to so um even if the Bike Share program for example didn't succeed the racking to my understanding would remain or it could be removed but in any case the bicycle racks are available for any bicyclists those are bought but those are owned by the city correct that's what I thought yeah hmm other questions

16:08 okay go ahead I was just going to say if for those of you are interested in the budget it's attachment four so that has all the budget details so I think one of the things I'm unclear about the budget for is the 400k is that including peace health or excluding peace health so if you look at attachment four it breaks it into a launch budget and then the three-year operation budget for the pilot um and the launch budget is for bikes to refurbish those The Hub infrastructure that we're talking about having a sign and some racks to lock a bike to administrative costs and then we we built in a 15 contingency as things sometimes you know cost will go up over

16:53 time um and that you can see some of the columns there also show the the funding that has already been secured for the bike refurbishment and for some of the Hub infrastructure as well Victoria so just real quickly I just want to say I I'm familiar with the Eugene project I remember when it went in and I actually have used those bikes in Eugene and working downtown and I found them to be really convenient and useful I've used them in Bend when I've been there doing the ale trail and I didn't want to you know be on a car um I don't see the same need in Springfield I just don't see Springfield being like in Eugene things are spread out so I'm downtown and I want to go up to 18th

17:39 and Willamette or I want to go over to Whole Foods or whatever the the stuff is in enough of an area where I can get there but it's not that big of a deal and in Springfield I just don't see us having the infrastructure that would necessitate uh a program like this I'm still trying to wrap my head around why we would use that because I mean I'm not going to use it to go to work obviously um if I work in Eugene OR Eugene to Springfield so I'm trying to figure out how people and why people would use those bikes in our town that's a really good question um talking to downtown business owners I received a lot of feedback that um most of the owners I was able to get in person you know they're small business owners so you're going in and sometimes you're not always able to talk directly to the owner but when I was most of the

18:24 owners were supportive and they could see a lot of value and especially bringing potential U of O students into downtown Springfield was one thing that I heard is like a value of it and then within Springfield I heard some of them say they could see like employees writing from their neighborhood into downtown Springfield people coming down to access dining retail it is a little unique in Springfield in the sense that um are you referring to there's fewer like there's fewer hubs where you might be purchasing um yeah I mean if I'm in my neighborhood um in Thurston or even if I'm in I don't know over by Q Street and what have you I just don't see someone we're more Compact and so I don't see people I see

19:10 people taking an Uber for five bucks right instead of hopping on this you know bike afternoon because it is a bit of a thing to learn to get used to the coding it's gotten easier now oh it hasn't okay um I know your code and I like I still have it in my phone like what my code is much quicker you walk up to a bike you um can you can use a code but you can also scan it with your smartphone if you have one to rent a bike that way and I think in Springfield we're being conscious of where the comfortable bike infrastructure is currently when we're looking at sighting hubs as well um in the sense that I hear you saying you know would people ride it one thing is where would they ride it to how would they use it we did hear from residents and online and in the in-person surveys that they were interested in using it so

19:56 there is some interest and then when it comes to like where I think definitely thinking about where it would be comfortable and where those nodes of places that people would want to get to are I hear what you're saying I've just seen some of these Pro programs like the umbrella program we did in Cottage Grove where we had free umbrellas like people could just borrow the umbrellas and then drop them at other places and stuff and it just it it just didn't work in that in that small of a community so I'm just standing and I'm not sure if I answered the budget question sufficiently sometimes when I'm a little nervous I have trouble speaking in numbers so I'm happy to turn it over to a colleague to answer it if that's still outstanding we'll come back to that in a second we got people starting to queue up uh Steve and then we'll go to Michelle I

20:41 completely agree with Victoria but the future is going to drive us towards our bicycles and less cars and put getting this system getting used to it in the future that's going to be something we're going to have to do Michelle the surveys that were were performed um do we feel like that's a really good representation of all of Springfield or was that isolated to like a specific area um you know do we think this is something that like the majority of Springfield residents would support or very good question I anticipated that um so to the site we had a hundred um excuse me a thousand 121 visits that doesn't represent anyone everyone who

21:26 interacted with online tool but we did get 260 votes on 67 Hub sites people could say I like that Hub location or propose a new one and 167 votes on 19 of the operational zone so we did hear from people on the online tool and when we sent out the postcards we sent out 7 430 postcards we did Focus kind of on a downtown adjacent area but we also sent them to um lick uh excuse me establishments that had a liquor license with the assumption that those could potentially be dining in retail locations and we wanted to hear excuse me not retail but dining and restaurant locations and we wanted to hear from

22:11 um those locations and we also sent out to affordable housing um we promoted really heavily through our partners and all of our online resource options we had flyers and posters around the community so I think we had a pretty for the size of the project the Outreach was very robust I I know that people are busy and not everyone will choose to give feedback but I would say it was pretty robust feedback for the size of the project does that answer your question okay great thank you Joe come on back up on the on-site survey and yeah I don't remember seeing

22:57 a question that said would you support this program if it cost tax dollars it was not that question on the online survey you're correct um seems like they should know it would cost them money if if they even if they wanted it and the question of do would you be interested if it costs tax dollar monies are you referring to the grant match funds that would be required for any Grant I'm re I'm referring to the survey where you know grants from or tax dollars no matter what it's called right so are the people just point blank asked are you interested in this program if it's going to cost tax dollars as opposed to being self-funded they weren't but I would I would posit that most people

23:43 understand that programs do cost money and that oftentimes when we're proposing a public transportation option that they can assume that there will be some cost associated with that so we never once said it is an assumption but we never once said there will be no costs associated and you're correct that was not one of the questions it would probably influence my answer if you were to ask Corey thank you I hear that thank you um I just want to say that I appreciate all of the intentional Outreach because I remember the last time and I was one of those people was like I want to I want a definition of where the bikes would go and who would use them and I appreciate that you all went out to answer that question and I'm still supportive of this thank you Victoria just one real quick question so in the hubs are these going to be on private property are you

24:28 planning on using public right-of-way so right now um we would wait for Council approval to pursue the pilot project we have some identified Hub locations based on the public input but we would go out with staff and look at those sites and see if they're feasible um likely most of them would be on public right away um but there is the opportunity for private if a business or another entity was interested in seeing a hub cited on private property okay so when I look at the map and I look at the packet so is are you asking recommending that that it be expanded to every place the heat map is are you recommending simply that it's expand into downtown

25:15 um when you look at the Heat Map There's a system boundary I'm not sure if that's super clear I wish I could click back um but you'll see the heat map shows you the areas that public the public said hey we'd be interested in seeing those rental return Hub locations here and then we proposed a system boundary within that part of the reason we're proposing a system boundary is Bike Share systems work best when the hubs are situated very near to each other within a fourth a mile or less um and that's just what data showed us over time for the Eugene system and systems across the states and that's why we're looking at that initial system expand a system boundary because we anticipate that about 100 bikes within that would be reasonable and users would always have access

26:00 to a bike okay um I do have con like to me the system boundaries make it a little bit more sense I've got a question about I got to think about whether or not it's would be too big um but it's very clearly not you know centered on centered on our downtown core um what would happen if you took it out of the system boundary into the into the say Glenwood area oh yeah um so we are looking at right so there's actually an interesting piece to it where you can geofence areas so we are looking at the potential to geofence scenarios so we could have assisted boundary and say there's actually I think we didn't mention this but there are two HUD locations at the PeaceHealth RiverBend location currently and so that's kind of a satellite option there's the option to geofence other

26:46 locations such as Doris Ranch the shops at Gateway um key locations maybe near some of the hotels in Glenwood um so there could be geofence locations that are kind of satellite to that system boundary you can ride in and out of the system um you are charged if you dock you park a bike and you end your trip outside of the system so users are encouraged to ride back in the system and I think something that was touched on earlier is this is a system of 100 bikes that's what we're proposing for Springfield as a pilot however it would be able to be used regionally so a user could ride between the Eugene um system boundaries and the Springfield and leave rent and return bikes within both so they'll be at 300 bikes in that system 100 in the

27:31 Springfield one but they'll go back and forth and be rebalanced yeah please do hi my name is Alan the director of operations um so you know I'm the the guy who actually makes sure the bikes are in the right places at the right times or manage the team who does and one thing that I think is really important to add to this question about a systemary boundary is that uh we don't discourage people to leave the boundary so long as the bike winds up back inside at the end of the day uh just in the month of October last year there are actually about 57 trips that came through Springfield which is a pretty long Trek from Eugene given that our boundary ends basically near Austin Stadium so there's already demand to make trips from Eugene to Springfield that's 57

28:18 trips in just one month and so Springfield but actually be getting a particularly strong value for money in that in a way it can lean on the what will actually be about 350 bikes uh very soon in Eugene uh and then that that people from Eugene can come to Springfield people from Springfield can go to Eugene and vice versa they can they can swap between regions and of course my team will ensure that by the end of the day every day that they're still at least 100 bikes in Springfield that are working and ready for people okay could we go back to the budget question um I'm still unclear where this peace health sponsorship comes into it is so when we're when we're looking at the overall bottom line

29:04 um so the um the total three-year operating cost estimate is 865 290. okay we're anticipating someone on the order of a hundred thousand dollars for our ask of peace health will be on over a hundred thousand dollars per year which is on par with a per bike about a thousand dollars per bike per year uh that they pay to sponsor the system in Eugene um we and you see that uh reflected there on the bottom uh middle uh uh column there 315 315 000 over the three year period and we project Rider revenues on the order of 212 000 over the three-year period And I call that a conservative estimate in both cases frankly um you may be able to ask um Peace Health for a little bit more as inflation has impacted everyone over the last two years um and likewise we uh changed our

29:51 pricing to make single trips a little bit more expensive for folks using the Bike Share system single trips you pay in two ways either you are a monthly member and basically all your trips are free for 15 a month or you pay per trip and so the visitors pay per trip and uh that is primarily where we change the price we charge a dollar to unlock if you're a visitor or a single trip user and so our Rider revenues over the past six the last six months of 2022 exceeded our Revenue projections so that's just to say the revenue projections here I'd call slightly conservative let's add into the question yes Joe so you determine the prices you're just saying it's a dollar ton lock and then you have a monthly fee and the cost to

30:38 Springfield is projected to be between forty two thousand eighty two thousand over is that over the three year period yes that would be the match and so when you're coming up with pricing it'd be explored having a net zero cost for the city what we're trying to do is make Bike Share accessible frankly is we view this we're a non-profit and we're running this as an extension of trans that is a mode of Transit as a way for people to connect to traditional forms of Transit so to connect to the bus and that's part of the strategy with the sighting is to uh cite hubs near Transit and in employment centers and recreation centers and places where people want to shop right that's that's the point of it

31:23 um we could certainly raise our pricing further but that will have an impact on the ridership when we take a look at what is the public cost per trip compared to other modes even driving your own car or riding the bus there's nothing cheaper except for riding the bike you own and this is a way to connect people to a bike that they don't own in case they are worried about bike theft in case they find themselves downtown Springfield without their car it allows people to get to work without a car and take a car on a short trip for a lunch meeting to run an errand whatever it may be so this is really just again an extension of Transit we think of Bike Share as a load of Transit frankly and Tom schwetz from LTD is here in support of of us and the work so we're doing the question no no but I'm saying no I'm not trying to go on a tangent I'm just saying I think we have

32:09 a a broad uh a a a broad spectrum of Community Support around the project and right there our hope is that we're moving towards um as as councilor Mo mentioned I mean you know towards more bicycle accessibility and what this can help do is Achieve goals around that right by by what I've launched Bike Share programs around the country and one thing we see when we launch programs is that um Bike Share begets bicycle infrastructure and more bicycling begets more bicyclists and so All Ships rise and traffic is reduced and Emissions go down and communities are more tightly knit those are the things that I observe any any other comments because when you're going to have to get to the point where we give them some direction we can give them a yes go ahead bring back more

32:55 information you guys want to talk about it longer any number of any number of things bring it back do you want to talk about it longer Steve are you are you good going forward I'm good going forward but keep your information coming to us please Joe something we're gonna have to do eventually anyways well we only do we only have to do what we say we have to do right now and like I said it's going to be the future well as proposed I can't support this right now I think based on shooting three years out and also a cost to the public um for me I would like to be able to see it as saying okay let's come back as a

33:40 Net Zero cost and yeah that that's just not going to happen um it will never be uh hang on a second oh yeah I didn't ask you a question let him finish and then we'll thank you sorry so that's really for me is where you got programs even State programs out there that are saying that they have to be self-funded and they're not getting any legislative money and they charge the users enough to pay for their programs and I don't see this as any different I see this as a cost to the city so I can't support it as it said if you come back with a net zero cost or it's self-funded I'm all ears

34:27 anybody else want to get in here I I agree with Joe as far as the taxpayers are concerned I don't want to ask anything on to them in I still have to look ahead I don't like to see it self-funded somehow quite Victoria and and I don't necessarily agree I I the way of the future means maybe people own their own bikes and stuff but the fact that the city has to provide that for these short trips I mean we've moved into where we have Uber and Lyft that will take you to these these short rides for five dollars for three dollars and they're people's own money and they get to make that choice so I personally think it's a cool idea I just don't think it's right for Springfield so I'm not unfortunately able to support it

35:13 myself either so yeah I mean I would like to see a little less burden on the tax dollar side of it too so if there's if there's some way we can maybe work with different local Partners um I know Tom is here in support of this and LTD is working really hard to solve this problem too so maybe we can have a bigger conversation with LTD um potential Solutions with willamalane I mean we have a lot of Partners I know that want to get involved and support and solve for this so I think we have an opportunity here that we may be just need to pursue a little bit for sure are you finished yes go ahead okay so why don't we do this why don't we bring it back

35:58 um there's a couple other places that I do have questions about what are the other things that um when I look at the service boundary right like my question also revolves around could we shape and size it as far as the total bike size right because I don't know if that you know impacts the total cost the other question would be other sponsorships from either LTD you know or willamalane if they're interested or um if I look at the slide um it says that you know to go out for Grants what what other what those grants might look like I know there's a ton of State funds out there right now um so I think that's a I think that's a question to kind of look at it the other thing that I would love to know operationally is the size of the um uh just I guess the identified where

36:45 these hubs are going to go right because it talks about there could be as many as like 10 of them and I'm just trying to get my head around the size and also okay 16 of them right like if we all if we focus on specifically downtown right like how big of a footprint are we actually talking about to fit those fit those 100 bikes and then lastly maybe a cleaner look at what the financials are instead of having it it's the total cost turn it into an annual you know sort of an annual run rate from there um I think there's just a little bit of additional work that can be done here um generally I'm supportive of bringing this into downtown I think it makes sense to come through Glenwood in downtown especially when it connects to Peace Health um I do have questions about whether or not an extension of Gateway would make sense

37:30 um but I just don't have enough info like I just don't have enough information as far people good with that let them kind of work on it a little bit more let's come back and talk about it um and then we can figure it out from there yeah the outside money interests me because there's six hundred thousand dollars we got for the CV Gene even from federal money I believe and so they got it we didn't well I know so so and I think that actually could help with this conversation a lot because when you look at the content it says hey look go out and find money that's different than hey we would go apply to these sort of five Grands so anybody else before we switch to Mary

38:15 Bridget because we're running a little bit of time all right thank you guys I appreciate it okay all right good evening mayor and Council and Mary Bridget Smith your City attorney I'm here tonight to continue

39:01 the conversation on um revising the city's camping ordinance I am mindful of time and this was meant to be a short item and just really provide some information to the council some additional information and you will have additional opportunities to discuss this matter um what we wanted to bring before the council tonight were um about two items related to this would be Sheltering options in Springfield now and then some examples from other jurisdictions and I think what I'll do in the interest of time is flip this and talk about other examples from other jurisdictions so we can kind of get that part of the conversation rolling um so

39:46 really the point in trying to talk about what other jurisdictions are doing is just a starting point um sometimes it can be a nice jumping off point when you're trying to figure out how to regulate in your own Community to say okay what did other people do how would that work here what are the limitations maybe that won't work or it would so not trying to take a template from anybody but just sort of looking at what other jurisdictions have done um I would encourage you to think of the categories though of the when where and how or time place and manner because that's sort of the buckets that these regulations are falling into and it's what the cases talk about and also I believe um House Bill 3115 so be thinking um as you're kind of working

40:31 through this it will probably be framing this conversation up to you know where is it permitted or prohibited when and how I mean the manner in terms of how people would be camping on city property I also want to be um you know clear that this is um the scope here is what we're talking about is um narrow it is publicly owned property that is open to the public and the overall thought behind this are the court rulings that talk about how local governments cannot criminalize conduct that is unavoidable consequence of being homeless sitting lying or sleeping but can and now must because of the statute generally regulate those items

41:18 so that's really as we frame up this conversation what we're talking about I know homelessness and unhoused is this huge issue has lots of subparts but that's really the conversation tonight looking at other jurisdictions um some themes are kind of I think emerging in terms of what other organizations are doing looking first at time um you know we're seeing obviously um evening you know that I deal with sleeping and that people generally sleep during the day that may not necessarily be always true for the on-house community but that is what you're seeing in the regulation that you know sleeping may be allowed during the evening time but not during the day in public areas 24 hours is another thing that has come up and I wanted to talk a little bit

42:03 about that so you have some perspective so these um there's another group of statutes that talks about homeless camp cleanups and that talks about cleaning up an established camp and that would be somewhere where people have been uh sleeping and being for a longer period of time under state law there are notifications and property storage requirements for homeless Camp cleanup and they talk about established camps but the statute and the courts have not yet defined what established means and so the conventional wisdom is 24 hours less than 24 hours or less keeps you from having an established area so a lot of these regulations would say that you can camp for 24 hours or less or you need to move you know down the block or

42:49 down the way to try and avoid that establishment of a camp so that's what you would see there um so that's the connection to Camp cleanup where locations of where it's prohibited are allowed very similar to the conversation that I think excuse me the council had in January environmentally sensitive areas residentially zoned areas safety areas for right-of-way people are quite vulnerable when they're camping that way trying to think about I'm keeping people safe um and then also limitations um Medford has limitations about time of year and fire safety because of a particular area that they're in and then also not allowing prehuding camping around an area that may provide services

43:36 to folks experiencing homelessness with that idea that you know you want that service to be able to be there and it may not be compatible to have people camping right next to if you have a shelter or some kind of area there um so those are some of the areas um in terms of where and then certain cities will even have um particular right-of-way or streets well they would just outright say no they also may say hey we may determine later that this is not a good place to Camp because of traffic or construction or something and they have the ability to change that you'll see some organizations will also kind of have an ability for the city manager to set regulations or provide permits in particular instances and that may be some flexibility that you want to have down the road in terms of you know if

44:21 there's a big construction project somewhere and that was an area where people were you may not want that to those those wouldn't be necessarily compatible another thing on location could be schools daycares those kinds of other uses Parks has again you know we have a Parks District in our community regulate Parks parks in some communities was allowed others it wasn't it might depend on the type of part where that Park was in terms of in the location of the city or the types of services that that Park provided um some of them were like for example you couldn't be so close or far from a particular path or Trail as an example and then the how I think you'll really see um fires people building fires as being problematic for safety structures a lot

45:07 of personal property animals trash those kinds of things and bend had a recommendation or I'm sorry their code talks about moving a space after 24 hours that's to break up that camp establishment and have that small area so those are some of the things we're seeing we're going to keep looking as our other organizations work through this but as we come into March I just kind of wanted you to be able to have in your head oh yeah okay some places are talking about time or they're talking about places and if there are things that would help you or other communities that you know about I'm more than happy to look at those as well Joe I thought you were raised your hand all right Corey thank you for this because we've been on this since the beginning

45:53 um I have a quick one I appreciate thinking about um flexibility as you know our neighborhoods and things evolve over time and exactly what you said if we're having an area where we're doing a lot of road construction or there's a device I appreciate that okay I also appreciate the thinking about what how can we set the policy at this level and is there a way to empower the city manager and staff to make those day-to-day decisions I really like that okay and I have a question if any of these have put any sort of um sort of congregate number limitations like you know to to in addition to the time like 24 hours and then you move maybe no more than you know one or two camps or something like

46:39 that has anybody is is that a thing we could do too I think so I have seen and I believe it's Corvallis did have like um instead of congregate numbers it was certain distance from other people and other campers so I think that's another way to get at that issue but I can look and see are you sure this time all right pretty sure pretty sure uh thank you Mary Bridget just I appreciate the amount of work you put in there and I for one I have always appreciated looking at uh other agencies or entities very much so because what I see here is a um what they call that when a painter's got this thing at all the different colors I painted a palette that's what I see right here there's there's a no clear

47:26 color um but what is clear to me is everybody's trying yes and I think this also gives us an opportunity to pick pieces of each one of these that best suits Springfield so I really appreciate this approach and I think we're going definitely in the right direction okay um I do understand and I support having a no more than 24 hour limit because I do not want to get into landlord-tenant issues okay storage of property Etc and I didn't see unless I missed it which is very possible I didn't see where they had I know they had some pieces here I think in Newport we're talking about schools and other facilities but I didn't see um should not be camped near any areas

48:12 or rows that may pose a danger to the campers yeah I would see um some places would say for example um there's some that will just say look no camping on these unright-of-ways or they might call it specific right-of-ways and what I wasn't just able to determine from my research was like oh is that somewhere because it's a super busy road and they don't want people there or is that somewhere because you know of some other entrance to the city or you know yeah and then I think one Community I saw had like no obstructions you know and that's another issue and Portland is dealing with that now obstructing exits like you said on-ramps other areas where people would be um where drivers and um you know folks would not be competitive right and a big concern for

48:58 me also is um the vicinity of waterways yes so I think because we're got two rivers on our borders that and we've had those problems before with camps that are in the vicinity of right-of-ways well there's drinking water pulled from some of those Rivers areas and at least well heads that are in those areas and contamination I think could be uh easily made if we don't yeah limit that so the rows they have the the potential safety hazards such as on-ramp off-ramp areas that look vicinity or locales next to waterways and it could even be for example if there's public land it's um from Main Street North to Thurston Road

49:44 on 69th there's a Waterway there part of our flood control system that does have property on either side of that right of way that may be enough for a camp but it would not be safe for them okay because that's about it it's actually about a 12 or 14 foot drop north of Thurston Road you said between Thurston and Main Street on 69th running north south Okay so but I would be in favor of sitting down looking at the potential areas that we could allow but I also would want to limit no more than 24 hours and not any place that would put those folks in danger because it's going to take our First Responders it's going to put them in danger if they have to respond so Victoria I think that we also need to be cognizant of ADA issues

50:30 um I think that you know Wheelchairs and people with disabilities um here um vision and otherwise having to go out into an actual right-of-way to get around things we need we need to have that somewhere built in there that we're looking at the whole picture and and Ada is a big part of that okay and the burning of the the burning I believe is self-regulated through El Rapa in our agreement that open burning is only permitted certain times of the day and they have to have to be on a uh half acre or larger yeah so nope no burning

51:15 period I did bring up warming fires it's an open Burn yeah I don't care they're freezing to death they need heat wow hang on a second I'm like we can't all it can't be a food fight um so do you have you want to jump in here Steve and then we'll go back to the queue it's just it it's just one way to get heat when it's 10 degrees outside and you're camping so in so my my read on it is if it's 10 degrees outside you need to go to the Eagan warming Center um and that we shouldn't have enough people don't have capacity there okay yeah like but that's why we've got a

52:00 longer work session for this coming up so I would imagine that's probably good feedback for us to dive into when we get into the when we get into the broader work session um and again I'm concerned about the Enviro you know environmental impact areas safety impact areas and especially um you know on just understanding that no permanent structures and really that 24-hour period those are places that are beginning to jump up to me but that's pretty seems like it's pretty consistent among all the jurisdictions um that's what I'm finding now yeah you can look okay anybody else stepped on you there sorry no I'm like hearing that it's starting to feel like that we still have eight minutes we could dive into a whole into a whole other topic I did really well so the next time we next time we meet it's probably going to be a a

52:45 really like that's the in-depth yeah so we are scheduled for March 6th or the only item I think we're the only item on it it's a work session and I'm trying to think how to approach that and um what I'm thinking right now is more visual like with a map and where where we think camping is happening now um as a way as a starting point to have a discussion about how would you regular how would you like to regulate this now you know what I mean like here's where we think someone as I've been kind of working on this someone gave me advice like look what do you got in your community what do you want to try and regulate what you know don't try and regulate it if there's no there there that makes sense so that's why I'd like to start but I would like to have a map so you can react to like oh yeah this

53:32 area town and this here and here's what's here um and whether that's a series of maps or how we'll work that I don't know worry and our deadline for coming into compliance is the first of July it is the first of July I'm trying to work towards um public hearings for adoption in the ordinance in April um to give us a little time in case it takes more time and also just the way the council's schedule is um you know we have some fifth Mondays and stuff in June so it'll be here before you know it um I'm okay for that work session if uh between uh you and staff if those sort of those environmentally you know impacted areas or those safety areas right like you preliminary sort of like cross them off and sort of explain it to us that way we don't have to go through everything and yeah that's what I'm trying to wonder how to narrow this in a

54:18 way that still gives the options where you can ask questions or say no no we want to look at this but also not like here's a map of our city you know what do you want to do yes yeah exactly okay okay this is a good start great thank you very much thank you we're going to adjourn we're going to stay in this room on this link we're probably going to have another group of people come in here so it may get a little bit cozy so the two things I wouldn't ask is uh those look like the might be the bookmark folks so um they're we're they're going to be gone after about the first 10 minutes if you need cards for to sign up for public uh public testimony they're at the door and then you give them to AJ so we are going to adjourn thank you

1:00:26 all right all right so we do have over overflow space in the Jesse main room which is the door which is the room directly to our right um I would ask you know we're going to squeeze in and be pretty cozy most of the library book Mark winners are going to probably be done in the first 10 or 15 minutes so if you were waiting around on Linda Lane and you know if you're in a place where you could maybe make a little bit of space I'm sure we will have a chance to get you all back in here for for your item as well

1:01:23 I'm going to follow the regular session of the Springfield City Council to order with roll call Mayor Van Gordon here outside sir Weber here councilor Mo here councilor Rodney here councilor Doyle here thank you councilor fishing Aaron here thank you please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the black of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all

1:02:09 as we begin our meeting tonight I would like to ask members of the audience who are joining us by phone or online to please keep yourselves on mute until you are called to provide public testimony there is one time designated for public testimony this evening under business from the audience if you're attending in person please complete the request to speak card located at the entrance of the council chamber and give them to the city recorder if you're joining us online with the tablet smartphone or computer and wish to speak either of those times please use the race hand feature in Zoom the order of public testimony is as follows anyone in person in the council chambers and then anyone who has raised their virtual hand and you know how many folks are joining us uh mayor this is my best guess but

1:02:54 approximately 150 in the council chambers and 27 online all right thank you oh we're going to count and key and double check your where your your math here all right first item please first item is Springfield upbeat item number one is mayor's recognition the 2022 through 2023 Springfield Public Library bookmark contest winners and Mark riddle is here for the staff report g'day my name is Mark riddle I'm the youth services librarian here at Springfield Public Library for the past 41 years the Springfield Public Library has run this bookmark competition and tonight we would really like to celebrate the winners of the 2022-2023 uh bookmark before we do that

1:03:39 a really big thank you to the Springfield Arts commission for uh funding the bookmark this year uh a big thank you to Doug darling and the crew at The Print Shop um a big thank you to the Springfield library star and then other members of Staff like uh custodial and security who voted on uh tonight's winners uh so if you don't like that take it up with uh everybody else um and for everybody else um there were 883 entrants this year they blew us away uh so a really big thank you to all of the students and the uh the the Youth of Springfield and to their teachers Librarians parents uh who supported them in designing these as

1:04:25 well so um oh yes and if you'd like to see the uh the rest um most of them are up on in the children's Gallery uh around outside the library um everybody up here has their own set as well uh and then the winning winning ones uh actually along the back wall for anybody here there's big versions um in between all of the Fantastic read posters uh so you can check those out after the meeting um and then the the runners-up and the winners will be going up tomorrow so uh the winners from kindergarten Vivian words thank you pleasure

1:05:21 all right you're gonna hang out with me here okay four minutes okay uh Brooklyn tiller was the first great winner uh one of two fourth grade winners was Brennan Laplante and Ella Jordan was the other fourth grade winner

1:06:20 you can switch down this way it's Bristol there we go for sure congratulations uh Emma lease was the sixth grade winner is dating was one of the two eighth grade winners and the other eighth grade winner was uh Lily Shack on Thomas Midori ranks great was right sorry mcnury race raw was the ninth grade winner

1:07:20 great winner congratulations Maggie can you guys come down on this side we're gonna get around the mayor the mayor in the middle and I think you're in the back mode yeah okay excuse me sorry

1:08:25 all right one more here [Music] all right we'll just give them a minute to uh thank you thank you guys these bookmarks looks great

1:09:15 big book for one of those bookmarks Alpha therapy months all right thank you for your patience everybody uh next item please any other items under uh Springfield update mayor uh no I think I'm Gonna Save that one for business from the uh huh okay next item is consent calendar foreign

1:10:00 to approve the consent calendar second all right could you call the vote please yes councilor Weber yes councilor Mo yes counselor Bradley yes councilor Doyle aye and cancer patient airing yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero knows next item please uh you have no public hearings this evening so the next item after that would be business from the audience all right um we've got quite a few cards this evening so I'm going to call uh the folks of folks up and if you could come up state your name location in in the city uh for the record and then you will have three minutes I went ahead and grouped these um by topic so that it would be because we only have there's Maybe

1:10:47 two other topics that we need to get to um so that it's a little bit more consistent first first person Margot help hand thank you very much for this opportunity to address you my name is Margo Hill fan I actually live in Eugene but I'm the chair of the Jewish community relations Council of Lane County and our mission one of our missions is to educate and Advocate on issues that are a vital importance to the Jewish community and the community at Large and respond to anti-Semitism and other forms of hate in our community and of late we as many others have been deeply

1:11:34 disturbed by the anti-semitic flowering Camp flying campaigns that have um blanketed the Thurston neighborhoods and they have been spreading anti-semitic messages we know that hate against one of us is hate against all of us these campaigns were organized by an extremist hate group known for their anti-semitic racist anti-immigrant flowering efforts there is no doubt that hate speech bias incidents and hate crimes cause actual harm both the people who are targeted and to The Wider Community everyone here while the intent of this group

1:12:20 was to spread animosity divide and create fear we also have been deeply moved sorry and heartened by the actions of community members in Springfield particularly The Neighbors whose homes were targeted by these disgusting leaflets and who spoke up and reported these and collected them and followed us and banded together um and wouldn't let this pass and just throw them away we're also very grateful to the City of

1:13:05 Springfield for their prompt response to these incidents and taking it really seriously it means a lot we can never be silent and biased and discrimination rear their ugly heads but love and solidarity can drown out hate we must always be vigilant to stand together as a community speak up and affirm our common Humanity in the face of baseless hatred thank you for your time thank you you and father Gail you and father Gill

1:13:57 how do I follow that that was wonderful um June father Gill I live at 317 30th number one one anyway at Brentwood estates I appreciate the work that you guys are doing and will be doing on the um camping issue and delving into what it's like to be a homeless person in in Springfield and maybe finding ways to help I hope that that can happen I want to tell a brief story and then I have a couple points one is that um in the 10 years that I was the pastor at ebbert I had him eight with people who were unhoused every week sometimes twice a week that changes your perspective I encourage you to find a way to do that um one thing one thing that happened was

1:14:43 one woman came in and she had what I call Vesuvius you know when someone just goes off and and she was upset about her life I mean she wasn't hurting anybody else she was just having a you know I can't deal with this anymore kind of feeling and we just let her do that that wasn't wouldn't do any good to try to stop her is what I walked over there and then I realized that I didn't need to be there I could just witness because as she settled down I saw other homeless women come around her in tender concern and care that I got to witness so anyway I want to propose that the city council first of all issue a moratorium on citing people or

1:15:28 violations of the current camping ban at least until this process of review and development of a new policy based upon the current law is complete and secondly that the council direct the police department that complaints related to violations of the camping ban or non-violent unhoused persons be handled by community service officers and procedure be developed for this and thirdly that the council direct the police department to be sure that all officers and especially the community service officers if especially if we do number two have the city resource list available to

1:16:14 give to unhoused persons and provide training and we've said this many times on de-escalation and empathy for persons dealing with poverty and homelessness and of course of course that the new policy about campaign when it's complete be shared widely especially to those persons affected our unhoused neighbors police and service providers I want to add also having listened to your discussion that you all of you try to take some time to talk to an unhoused person or someone who has had that experience you can't make a policy that's going to affect their lives if you have never sat down and really had a conversation with

1:17:00 somebody but what it's like to be out there so please take time to do that I encourage you you can do it in lots of different ways Mary Edith will we've talked about ways you can do that but I encourage you to do that thank you Ernie spoke hello um I'm sure a lot of you witnessed or heard the re what happened between me and officer Burke this weekend for whatever I don't even know how long it's been it's been so long I just it was a sad thing but it was it's a climate of art that we're in right now the way we treat people the way we talk to people it's breeding a lot of hatred

1:17:46 and a lot of misunderstanding and I just you know even hearing you guys talk tonight about you know places and you know make a move every 24 hours you know people or people that's why you have to change these laws now because the courts are telling you these are people so please try and word it as people because we are people okay and you know I'm gonna move every 24 hours think about that you know maybe go out and try it you know make sure it is what you would want because you want them to get you know be productive and move up they got to get sleep they have to have some stability I you look like cotton

1:18:31 thank you is there a way I can give a handout okay I wanted to wait until everyone had everything sorry well you can start with your name and location that's right uh so I'm Rusty Earl I uh I live at 1001 South 55th in Springfield

1:19:16 um so I wanted to talk about it was a topic that was brought up to me uh in our neighborhood I think like a week ago the Linda Lane uh Annex discussion and so I just wanted to go over a couple of uh qualifiable information that I put together um I live over in the area not too far from it I mean I think it's less than a mile and so I wanted to show a correlation with the type of housing that was uh proposed to be built there uh the low-income housing of manufactured homes and so I wanted to show an overlay of crime related um and then also the distance between schools the nearest bus routes in particular to the where the Linda Lane

1:20:03 is due to go in um just from the visual aid we can clearly see from really anything it's the farthest point from um from schools I wrote down how far those are at the closest schools a mile and a half away and that's the Thurston High School we have a straight line of sight the closest bus station and store or over a mile away having grown up most of my childhood in poverty and low-income housing and everything walking a mile just to go to the store or even get to the nearest Transportation especially my family was a family of five with three kids I mean that was that's a little rough and we didn't always have a working vehicle to rely on and a lot of my friends in the

1:20:50 community we grew up in they didn't have working vehicles that they could rely on either um uh so those are just data points that I was able to pull and so as an opinion personally I I wouldn't want something like I'm not saying that there's not a need for this there absolutely is a need for what's what's planned to go on I just don't think it's the ideal location um that's my opinion on it uh also the foot traffic or unwanted foot traffic in the area that we will bring um having it where it's at uh we deal with an issue we call it my kids have dubbed them to three people uh but it's the tree line behind our house that backs up Mount Vernon Cemetery uh from our house facing uh East and we've had

1:21:38 issues with campers and stuff like that coming through there and break-ins within our neighborhood due to that and so it's just something else that we don't I don't want while my kids are you know so so small and everything too I just don't want that type of activity in our area but again just from the facts it's so far this point from really the basic necessities to store trans public transportation uh stuff like that um so that's all I have thanks uh thank you uh Lindsey Marche my name always gets fancier when I have someone else read it Lindsay Marchant um 1089 Linda Lane

1:22:23 thank you city council and mayor Ben Gordon for giving your time to serve Springfield it seems the city's 34 Acres off Linda Lane purchased for the purpose of wetland banking have been the only land considered for the Lively funds designated for low-income mobile home park for the last year in April 2022 counselor Pictionary wisely advised that the city should include local homeowners and get a feel for the potential negative impacts this could have unfortunately we were not included and instead found out less than two weeks ago that Linda Lane was a potential site by piecing together information from City Council meetings newspaper articles surveyors blocking around our private properties and some email and phone conversations over the last week City officials have been responding to homeowner inquiries with the process hasn't even begun or normal nothing formal has been presented that seems odd

1:23:10 as this potential development has been discussed has been discussed an entire year earlier at a city council work meeting it was presented by Aaron Fifield as item six the Linda Lane mobile home park and was presented as a way to use the funds representative widely secured this was in February 2022 in the same month the Register Guard ran a story on the potential site and funds and include and actually named Linda Lane so does this mean that we are early in the process oh I forgot one spot These funds need to be awarded by June 30th 2023 if I understand right so I'm wondering if we're early or if the city's late and it seems like it's rushing things through we're disappointed in the lack of transparency and by we I mean every homeowner on Linda Lane and the combined efforts of the majority of homeowners in the neighboring 57th Street Jasper Meadows

1:23:55 and Pinehurst neighborhoods in only four days we acquired more than 150 signatures of homeowners opposed to the plan that we are early for kzi ran an article today talking about the Linda Lane site Terry McDonald the director of St Vincent de Paul was quoted as saying to get this kind of price point from the City of Springfield at a dramatically lower price I think is important for the community talking about the Linda Lane property if this isn't if this isn't in the works can someone please let me know how Mr McDonald knows the price point for the property he'll be buying the 34-acre property was initially listed for over a million dollars before decreasing substantially by the time the city purchased it in 2021 for only four hundred and fifty thousand I talked to the seller last week he said there was interest early on by by St Vincent de Paul and other single-family home

1:24:40 developers but interest waned when developers understood the enormous costs associated with the development because of the city requirement that they gain a second access route a second access is made nearly impossible by the extensive Wetlands these high value wetlands are spread from the Northeast side of the property diagonally across to the southwest and Lead directly to the Willamette River how does the city plan to protect those high-value wetlands development of this property will be a monumentally extremely expensive undertaking and that's before you even break ground the council will also need to address the issue of fire danger significant and increased traffic the potential property loss of area homeowners as well as the cost of building a 1200 foot road down Linda Lane for just a first access to the property with current road costs the city could be spending almost a million dollars without any other infrastructure

1:25:26 each of these hurdles could be talked about extensively but I've only got three times up thank you hey Ashley hicken hey hang on if we can keep the Applause to a minimum it's going to make this go a lot smoother Ashley he can place my name is Ashley hicken I live at 5793 Cinder Street I am currently serving as the secretary of the Jasper Meadows homeowners association I don't know how many of you have actually been out towards Linda Lane Jasper Meadows and you may not be aware of this but when the subdivision was built it should have had two access roads the first homes were put in at the Northern end of the

1:26:12 property along with our entrance and it's beautiful if you've never seen it there'll be flowers up in a few weeks at the southern end of the property there were so many Wetlands that a secondary entrance was unable to be put in the southern end of the property is covered in dry brush grass and trees the streets of our neighborhood are quite narrow and parking is only allowed on one side I often find myself pulling over towards the side so another vehicle can pass me as I'm coming in and out of the subdivision I want you to imagine for a moment that a fire has started at the southern end of our neighborhood the winds carry the fire North the residents and pets have 165 homes in Jasper Meadows along with the 18 homes on South 57th and the cul-de-sac that adjoins to it and the 10 Home Run 10 homes on Linda Lane they would all be

1:26:58 exiting to Mount Vernon Road um we've had a member of the local fire department out to look at the property as well as a 35-year veteran of the forest service both have confirmed that if a fire were to start it would literally be unstoppable and our neighborhood would be another Paradise California the fire would have to be put out by helicopter would a helicopter be able to get there in time would we even have one available or would it be fighting a wildfire somewhere else in the state anyone else like Lindsay mentioned who's looked at purchasing the land was told of the astronomical costs to develop the road to create that secondary access um when asked how the city planned to address the access road problem a committee or Community Development

1:27:44 Division employee said one possibility was that they would just put sprinklers in all of the dwellings that are proposed to be built implying that the city has no intention of creating a secondary Access Road nor do they intend to hold themselves to the same standard that other developers would be held to this is not only irresponsible but it's not an appropriate solution if the city intends to do an eminent domain through South 57th that doesn't mitigate the risk of fire danger if you intend to push a road through mineral weight and across the wetlands that doesn't mitigate the risk either because everyone ends up leaving the neighborhood to Mount Vernon Road for the city FAQ that came out Friday you anticipate 28 units per Acres on up to 27 Acres this means you would

1:28:29 have an additional 756 residents trying to evacuate onto Mount Vernon Road in case of a fire my question to you is what are you thinking what is the value of one life this would be nearly just shy of a thousand lives if there was one person in every home the loss of life would be astronomical and the city would likely be liable for not providing proper Fire Escape Routes what do you guys think about this as a council thank you hang on guys guys can you keep the Applause down please we're just we want to get through this as quickly as possible I'm not we're not trying to silence anybody which it's just sort of basic decorum please thank you Renee Ellis

1:29:24 thank you Mr Mayor and council members my name is Renee Ellis I'm a resident of the Jasper matters Third Edition I'm also a member of the MacKenzie River trust and a land Steward for one of their conservation easement properties I'm speaking tonight about that 34 Acres on Lindell adjacent to Linda Lane I'd hope that the additional information you gave us would answer questions about this but it served only to bring up more questions regarding the high value Wetlands on that site you state that the parcel of 34 Acres was purchased for banking in a wetland mitigation Bank to offset the unavoidable loss of wetlands by a sewer project as is required by state law you further say you're working with the state lands Department to place seven and a half acres of these Wetlands into a conservation easement leaving the remaining 27 acres for possible development for 28 third net Inc or a minimum of 40

1:30:11 units on this map a field delineated Wetlands done by an environmental engineering from Wake there is one large Wetland a 7.04 areas Acres several other small areas totaling 6.67 acres for a total of 13.71 Acres which are all actually connected by various inflow streams what is the fate of these additional Wetland pieces are you banking this parcel only to mitigate the destruction of half the wetlands I cannot see how any development of that parcel can be accomplished without significant degradation and loss to the high value lens which is exactly what a conservation easement is supposed to prevent the necessary grading trenching filling added Hardscape the restructuring of the topography cannot possibly be accomplished without

1:30:57 significant and extremely costly efforts to guard against degrading the wetlands you claim to be preserving you cannot eliminate half of them without affecting all of them where is the enforcement and oversight going to be for this to ensure that roadblocks set up by a conservation easement and the requirements of the mitigation Bank are not simply blown through by those promoting an as yet unknown number and type of housing on that parcel it is impossible not to wonder how this Wetland can be protected and at the same time cut in half and subjected to a significant development by any of the options mentioned in your FAQ who will be on site to Monitor and prevent the inevitable detrimental effects of such construction I wanted to come here tonight as an advocate and an ally I really did but the more I find

1:31:43 out the less I can support this land is an appropriate place for development it seems holy and completely incompatible with the preservations of wetland by allowing development that will clearly impact them significantly if not over time destroy them you cannot reshape the topography pave over surrounding areas of feed and support these wetlands and say they won't be harmed you seem to have set up a serious dichotomy of Purpose with this I do hope there's transparency going forward and a sincere regard for the fate of these wetlands there aren't many left it makes it all the more important to sustain restore and protect the ones that we have thank you all right

1:32:29 I know we got a lot of cards to get through I'm going to stop here we're at our or at our 20 minutes I'm going to look for to the rest of the council well let me tell you how many cards I've got left and get ahead not him if you guys want to continue hello I'm Jerome Cortese and I live at 1839 South 57th Street and I believe that you guys have been misinformed on the facts of this Wetlands that sit here

1:33:14 and to talk about the proposal of developing I walked I bought bought my home before they even built it and what it was is I bought it and they built it out and then so what I did was I used to I walked I've been walking for 15 years in the neighborhood so I'm really well understanding all where the water flows and on the other side of Bob's drops it's called Pebble Court they built some houses in here and you have the water it runs down towards these wet wetlands and runs into the wetlands there's almost like a river running this way and you have a creek that runs in front of my property that goes down so being misinformed of all the water has to go into this Creek that comes down so when you're not informed of okay we have the we have all the water from the hill and

1:34:00 they're talking about building a school up in that area there too so that water is going to come down towards this Wetlands that are here so I have the maps here I don't know if you guys need to see it but they just made a proposal just showing that this was all buildable property and this is all buildable property off of Lynn Lane that's not true this area down here below by the park is all wetlands and if you look at this map here it shows a big area of wetlands so when you're not being informed of the truth or of the wetlands and where all the water come from so even from Linda Lane that water is going to come down and go into that crate so the more developing that you do the more runoff you're going to have so what's going to cause it's good cause a tremendous amount of flooding so what I was trying

1:34:45 to do is I was trying to make them redirect the water that goes from the the basic there's a park out there comes down this way there's like uh so what they did was they built a road in a sewer line that goes from the 57th Street and it kicks over and goes up to where you're going to connect into the uh all these houses in here and you're going to connect into the school that they're talking about building well along that pathway there's there's there's a a creek that runs down that's almost they call it Wetlands but I had to have them reinstall more pipes to go through what they had they were only going to put three pipes in in this road that they built over the top of the that Wetlands air which is kind of you know like I'll call it a creek and so what they did was I made them put seven more

1:35:31 pie so I went over there to the Housing Development I said well before you sign up on all this property you know you got to make sure that this water all flows the way it's supposed to so the more developing you do the more water is going to go into this system and the more you build out and don't allow any water to go they're just going to allow flooding so if flooding occurs it's going to come down this way you know because water goes downhill so all the water and especially in behind all this this this park and this development here on the other side of Bob's Rob all this water here is going to come down this way so all the water that comes down floods us out so I just thought I'd let you guys know that the flooding is a big problem and I hope you guys address that

1:36:17 thank you uh Barbara Bond Barbara Bond either I am Barbara Von diether and I live at 5786 Cinder Street I am the President of the Jasper Meadows homeowners association you met Rusty Rusty's the president of the Pinehurst HOA and you heard from Lindsay Lindsay is is representing the homeowners on Linda Lane between us we bring to you tonight the observations of 247 homeowners

1:37:04 homeowners who live adjacent to this property less than a tenth of a mile from this property and we're concerned we haven't seen all of these details yet mayor we thank you very much for the summary that you gave us on Friday that's the first we knew of it of any detail that was going on and we only found out 10 days ago about this so we're grateful for that it's a very good summer the summary that you gave us and while I was looking around for a way to talk about this I came across a um what's called a common law principle and it's supported by case law and it says that every homeowner is

1:37:50 entitled to object to a public or private nuisance that interferes with the quiet enjoyment of property what is the quiet enjoyment of property well our wetlands are part of it we love walking our dogs there in a warm summer night we can walk out our door any of us 247 people and we can hear the frogs in those Wetlands talking to each other it is Charming we can one day take our kids and say hey go on down to the park I'll be there in a minute yes why they're safe completely safe or there's the morning that we came in and we left some tools

1:38:38 in the back of our pickup truck the next morning we get up and eat breakfast and realize oh my gosh I left the tools in the back of my pickup truck when we go outside and they're still there the quiet enjoyment of our property now we've been talking about homeowners here and I looked up those four pages Mr Mayor that you gave to us on Friday loaded with detail I read every word the word homeowner is not there the word resident is there but I'm representing homeowners homeowners who vote and on homeowners who pay taxes

1:39:23 you're here you're spending the money that you'll collect from us and so when I talk about the enjoyment of our property would you move next to this proposed trailer park we've heard various topics numbers of trailers whatever they're going to do right I'm I'm done I think I may I think I made my three three minutes goes through it goes really quick thank you very much uh Barry please Barry Barrow uh 951 South 55th Street Springfield in the Pinehurst HOA

1:40:11 um I've noticed in today's world is that there is such a dichotomy of Interest and I don't envy any of you having to listen to all the different differences and then try and figure out what's the best thing to do um yes there's laws out there that you have to follow and sometimes I wonder how you can follow them when it's hard to know all the laws that continue to be enacted my heart goes out to homeless people some of them might be that way of choice some of them they lost their job during a downturn in the economy um it's uh I don't know how I would vote

1:40:56 because there's so many different special interests that have even been presented a different Viewpoint of why it's important from Wetlands to Community safety to you know a myriad of things and uh any one of us it's easy to vote if we take a look at the things that are most important to us but I have to remember the things that are most important to me may not be important to someone else and it's even harder if you don't even live in that type area my house faces uh

1:41:42 East so we have the power lines going right through there a place that I never thought I'd live close to and uh once all the trees were cut down there I thought man I'm never going to live there and yet I do and we have that row of trees where homeless people have set up tents uh started fires and and all of that stuff and uh but then again I'm glad I don't live in Portland where where all that that went on and so I don't know what the answer is I don't envy you I hope all of us can understand it's not an easy decision hopefully everything is transparent and everything is looked at and things don't get rushed into and um I'll save 43 seconds for other people to

1:42:27 clap some other time thanks Barry uh Jason profit hey thanks for let me come down uh 657 Quarry Road up here underneath the water tower so I'm going to bring everything back to this end of the town and down here at our Museum ready and for some reason there's not a plaque uh Mark and our our namesake for the town the Museum's asking for the history marker here on B Street I think certain B my other issue is the little Fast and Furious cars that we've talked about the noise people are talking about listening to the frogs

1:43:12 I have the same wetlands so I my resolve to the noise and the speed in town is to shift the traffic police from four o'clock to 10 o'clock now I know there's probably some Union rules these guys have to follow if we can double up three weeks Thursday Friday Saturday uh in the evening and get these little cars shut down it's not all the little Fast and Furious cars it's I can hear a lot of pickups unmuffled pickup I come across 105 today it's 68 miles an hour and people are passing me at 80 going east so we gotta get the traffic and the noise and the speed slow down

1:43:57 so again I think thanks for your time but try to get the museum there black we'll get on it thank you I do not have any other cards Neil do you have anybody online just give them a moment but I don't see any hands at this time okay so we're gonna we got a couple issues here so just um and somebody from the PD maybe talked to Mr profit about his I idea since we've got a couple a couple of folks here um about his Patrol idea and before I open this up for Council response um maybe we can have somebody maybe we can have Jeff come up and give us a summary about where we are with the Linda Lane um I know there was reference to the FAQs a couple of times if you have not

1:44:43 seen them I believe there are over on that table over there so Jeff could you just maybe give us a brief update about where we're at yeah thank you mayor uh Pascal community development director um I think really the FAQ lines it out pretty well I mean just the history and everything of how we got here the fact that we were moving forward with Jasper phase three which is to open up the rest of Jasper Natron for for urban level development the rest of the urban growth boundary we got stuck because we had Wetlands that we were going to impact with that sewer project those Wetlands weren't available in the local Wetland Bank this property happens to have the right amount of wetlands to move that project forward to put into a concert conservation easement

1:45:29 um so that's where we're at we're currently getting the conservation easement figured out that size of it it's got to be buffered and then the next step was and when we talked to council about even buying the property we heard from Council well we don't need all 34 Acres we want to make sure that we figure out what we can do with that property to as Surplus and where we go with that we're really kind of not even at the first step which is annexing it to start figuring that out so we just initiated annexation um well not really initiated we had our development issues meeting which discussed the what what would be the requirements of annexing that property the next step after that would be a conversation with Council regarding how

1:46:15 do we what part portions of the property are left to develop and then how do we do that partitioning subdividing what comes next following annexation go ahead okay so there is no promises made to Saint Vincent de Paul's yet correct correct we don't have we some of the questions we're getting are like what ifs what would and we don't have a development proposal I'm just trying to dispel some of the folks and I and I you folk no I mean I I hear you every one of you I understand every one of you you're concerned um but I I also want to know that that I'm not unique I think everybody here on

1:47:02 Council wants to definitely hear every single thing about this we haven't committed anything we haven't under ahead on anything so it's take a breath Don't Panic we're here and we're listening okay really yeah I heard it's my promise to you thank you Council I heard a couple things we haven't even talked about price we don't even know how much acreage is left to be developed we know that the the conservation easement is going to be around probably 11 acres looking at the shape what's left where are the other Wetlands because we do have all of the wetlands delineated we have that map we've surveyed the property and so we we haven't that's kind of that piece first annexation then figure out what's left come to the council have that conversation about

1:47:48 what's left how could it be developed or in the cities not really in the business of developing it's how can we find the Surplus property and what do we do next with that piece of property um the other reason for annexation you know we've heard different areas is protection of that fire protection police protection you know we have to protect those Wetlands so we got if there's camping or something else like that going on in there it's it's easier if it's inside the city limits because then we can rely on our own Police Department rather than the county sheriff and and so what you're saying and what I'm hearing is that this is baby steps and we're going to look at each step very carefully before any decision is made yeah we're even at baby steps with

1:48:33 staff like I said we just had our development issues meeting and talked about what the requirements would would be for annexation and we don't even know which way they're going to go at this point we don't know what's going to be required of us what's going to be needed who's going to do what we're not there yet Victoria so I want to say thank you to all of you and for those of you that live west of Bob Straub I believe you are my people um so I am Ward 5 counselor and I want you to know that I understand I get where your um as infancy is in your lack of trust and I want you to know that I hear you and I want to be a voice for you I have cards here I want to give you it has my phone number on it and I want to

1:49:18 be in touch with you and I promise you that I will stay in touch with you and keep you informed along the way as much as I possibly can so that there's transparency I I promise you that right here in front of everybody but I'm gonna hold you and he's next door and six so all right Jeff um come back I got a couple more questions don't worry we're as soon as we're done asking questions we're going to ask Jeff to uh meet with you guys outside and if anybody wants to hang around and ask a couple more a couple more questions I would encourage you guys to read the FAQs um it sounds like some of you guys have um so could you comment to the house bill that there is referred to like the

1:50:04 the John the representative Lively the money that came from 2018 is that linked to Linda Lane at all I mean yeah no it's not linked and I think there is also Americans speak to the June 30th but I think there is some misconception on what that June 30th meant the council already took action so that's there isn't like a looming deadline okay so um Can somebody speak to the question about that that was the other question that I heard sort of consistently it's like well what's happening with this with the 630 uh deadline I'll let Aaron because she knows that I'll just mess it up oh calling in the big guns Aaron Fifield um the 6 30 deadline was for Oregon

1:50:50 Housing and Community Services to award those funds so in the fall Council gave direction to Nancy Newton to sign an IGA with ohgs that said we were committed to awarding those funds to St Vinnie's for a new manufactured home park in Springfield there's no location tied to that award just recognizing the need for affordable housing in this community so the June 30th deadline was for ohcs to award those funds and in signing that IGA and sending that money to the City of Springfield they met that deadline okay thank you um and then last question Jeff is when you when you think about like right now we're working on the wetlands and we're working on annexing it from a staff

1:51:35 perspective when you know when roughly would be the first conversation for Council about what we would do with the developable land the council could have those conversations when we bring you know once we have the mapping done I'm thinking fall maybe we're having those conversations before any sort of partition or subdivision and I use those so I think subdivision everybody thinks it could be like the Jasper Meadows when I so Under Oregon state law you can only partition into three parcels and so depending on how the wetlands the reason I use subdivision is we may have to call it a subdivision if say there's five parcels and they're not really connected depending on how we do that and so we wouldn't be going and doing a sub a city

1:52:22 subdivision of 3 000 square foot lots I'm mostly looking at this of of the efficiency of what size Lots the one benefit for the city having control of the lot right now is is we did hear a lot of conversation about needs for secondary access for protection fire protection and just traffic in general that has been one of the Hang-Ups with this lot and also not being able to ensure if if another developer had that so the council will also have that opportunity when we bring that mapping if we continue if the council chooses to continue moving forward with the process of entitling those right-of-ways already ensuring that whether the road gets built when they sell that lot that road will

1:53:09 get built where we want it to get built okay um any other questions so I'm gonna ask Jeff and maybe if you know and any other staff folks that have information uh if somebody wants to hang out you know in the in the hallway and chat and ask some questions of Jeff um that would be a good opportunity to connect with him and exchange information Jerome I know you've got big you know you've got a lot of information about where the wetlands are and some that's the guy to give it to so thank you Jeff is there any other Council response to other items Corey broadly oh um so I want to thank everyone who came and shared tonight on all of the topics

1:53:55 and I know we all received a lot of emails I've been in many conversations the past couple weeks people have found me in all sorts of places to talk about the things and zombie there's this overarching theme of Who belongs in Springfield who gets to decide who belongs to Springfield from the anti-semitic and hate activity out in Thurston to um Bernice pogue's interaction with the police and these ideas of um who our neighbors are and this has been sitting really heavily with me because we say and I was there for the state of the city where the mayor said you know this is a city of opportunity

1:54:42 you belong here your families belong here and I think that in order for us to make that happen we have to take a beat and really think about you know are we willing to make room and to adjust how we do things so that everyone gets to feel safe and everyone gets to feel like they belong I looked at the the um the artwork by the children and it was you know the theme was find your voice and you're gonna see lots of rainbows which I'm here for those rainbows and these kiddos talking about finding their place finding their voice and to me that is the future of Springfield and so this has been the the what's been weighing with me is like

1:55:27 how do we how do we make room and how do we separate land from people and how do we separate streets from people so I just wanted to just share that with you all that I think that if we're if we're going to be a town of opportunity and if we're going to want businesses to want to locate here we're going to want people to want to move here we're gonna have to really think about how welcome we are and whether or not we people really do feel like they belong and everyone feels like they belong thank you foreign thank you very much next item please mayor the next item is a resolutions uh you have one resolution resolution of

1:56:13 necessity for the Jasper trunk sanitary sewer extension phase three uh that's e21065 this is resolution number two a resolution exercising the power of eminent domain and authorizing a resolution pursuant to ors223.005 ors223.105 and rs35.600-625 concerning acquisition of easements and or right-of-way necessary for Jasper trunk sanitary sewer extension phase 3 project p21065 and Jesse Jones Is Here virtually for the staff report okay just hang on Jesse we got we got folks that are uh that are exiting since they've met their one item and we'll get back to you

1:57:21 all right Jesse you are up all right thank you uh good evening counselors uh my name is Jesse Jones I'm a civil engineer in the Department of Public Works and I'm the project manager for the Jasper trunk sewer extension project that was referenced just now um we're here tonight to to quickly discuss this resolution of necessity and I wanted to show you a map of the city map to get you oriented here so I will um PJ is it possible to get screen sharing all right thank you okay yeah got it okay so um this map on the left shows Springfield and what we're talking about the Jasper trunk sewer uh is down here in southeast Springfield so if we look

1:58:07 over on the other map here um this is uh Bob straw Parkway down here this is the Jasper Meadows subdivision uh up here and this is Mountain Gate over there in the upper right corner uh this The Jasper trunk sewer project is a multi-phase project we've constructed the first two phases I started at the 42nd and Jasper roundabout and has come east following the Jasper Road alignment and right now we're working on the third phase and that starts here um just south of Mount Vernon this is the Linda Lane property for reference right here right next to us um and this is the project um The Jasper trunk server project is the project that's benefiting from the conservation easement uh that's

1:58:52 referenced on Linda Lane there um so as part of this project the trunks who are coming down Jasper Road here and we're crossing uh Bob Straub Parkway and terminating at the uh brand s the former brand s Mill site and this is uh opening that area up for um uh future development which was referenced earlier as well um so as part of this project we need um to acquire easements across the these five Parcels here these kind of five larger Parcels across here um these are two types of easements that we're looking for um the first is permanent easements and those easements will allow us to maintain and access the sewer line once it's constructed um the other type of easement is called a temporary construction easement and those easements are uh they give us more

1:59:39 room to work while we're actually doing the construction and then once uh the construction is complete those easements get extinguished or end uh so these types of easements are considered partial takes and what that it still allows the property owner to retain some rights of use for the property in the future it's not considered a full take like such as right-of-way there are no existing businesses or buildings that will be affected by this easement acquisition so the resolution of necessity is a kind of a formality it allows us to start the easement acquisition and negotiation process you may have seen these resolutions of necessity in the past they were they're required when there's a federal fund

2:00:24 component for projects the city attorneys recently advised us that we need to use these resolutions of necessity for all of our easements going forward regardless of the funding sources so with that I'd like to answer any questions that you have thank you hang on one second Mary Bridget could you help give us a little bit more context here to your advice sure and then we'll go to we'll go to the gym so a resolution of necessity is the first step in a potential um eminent domain or condemnation action it doesn't mean a lawsuit would be filed it is the first step and allows the government then to negotiate with um the property owner in this case is for an

2:01:09 easement for the sewer project and um it is subject to state law and the process so we have asked for capital projects in addition to larger projects even smaller projects that staff come through with the resolution of necessity so they don't have to go back and start over if they do get into a place where they can't negotiate with a property owner that they just take care of this ahead of time so really that's what we're doing today and then the project can move forward for them to try and acquire the easement or the temporary construction easement which allows them to access the property during construction of the project jump so I just wanted to ask if the uh oh there he is um so you're talking about allowing the

2:01:56 home I mean the property owner to regain access to that property or are they I mean how much are they losing access or is it just a temporary thing and if they're losing access how much are they losing yeah um I can answer that so there's there's two things happening uh um a temporary construction easement is just that temporary like they would allow us to use more of their property to construct it and then equipment property sorry because I feel like moving equipment and whatnot yeah yeah a little bit extra space because it's a it's a 5 000 foot long project and a narrow Corridor so just allows us to get equipment back and forth um the permanent easement how these have worked in the past on other phases of Jasper trunk um we're left with an access road so this easement's about 20 feet wide um you know 20 to 30 feet wide and over

2:02:41 the length of the project um they are still allowed to they still own the property um but the easement allows us to access it and maintain it so we use our sewer our Vector trucks go in and clean the manholes and clean the lines out um easements uh it each type of easement is subject to a different restriction um they couldn't build a house on this easement but they could they could use it potentially it could be used to uh satisfy some of their Landscaping square footage requirements on their parcel so it's considered it does limit their they don't have full use of the property but they do retain some rights and it's very specific to the type of easement or the type of use so basically no structures no permit structures and they

2:03:27 allow access for whatever reason whether it be agricultural or cosmetic but it's but they don't actually just like lose the ability to use their land correct yeah okay thank you any other questions Victoria so are we doing it this way rather than putting it in the road on our own um in right of way because it's easier because an easement means that they I mean they have their property but let's face it they they're still paying taxes on it but they can't like build anything they they lose in a sense the use of that that's correct their use is limited um we've done extensive studies about how to route the sewer line through this

2:04:13 area um and it's it's not feasible the railroad tracks block um it's it's more expensive and very difficult to to go underneath like we'd have to crisscross and go underneath the railroad tracks and then back under the railroad tracks and in the middle of Jasper road which would be and this is very deep line so we'd basically be removing Jasper road to put the sewer line in and then replacing Jasper Road and then having to still go under the railroad tracks gotcha um in this particular case too these Property Owners um they can't develop their property unless the sewer line goes in and so this they they're in favor of it they're in favor of the development because that's what I wanted to know so there they you've got the pulse of those people they know what you're you're considering correct absolutely I hear the word eminent domain and the hair on

2:04:58 the back of my neck just stands up yep that's why we're here tonight so okay yeah thank you any other questions you're up I'd like to make a motion to adopt resolution number two second you know could you call the vote please yes counselor Weber yes councilor Mo yes councilor Bradley yes councilor Doyle yes and cancer missionary yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero no next item please the next item is under business from the city council this is the ward for city council resignation resignation acceptance and interim Council appointment process discussion um and Mary Bridget here Smith is here

2:05:43 for the staff report good evening and mayor and Council I'm here today I'm Neil ladati and I are working on the project for um the council vacancy and the process for appointing the interim counselor for Ward four so this evening there are two items before the council tonight one is a um more of a formality but it's to officially accept uh Council stairs resignation which was the attachment in your packet so I will be asking for a vote um to accept that resignation and then hoping to get some feedback from the council about the process for uh appointing the interim counselor with the idea that we'll come back to you at the February 21st meeting to have a public hearing on that process and have

2:06:28 the council formally adopt it so we can and open the applications and move that forward so if you wouldn't mind just handling the acceptance of the resignation with a motion and a vote and then we can jump um Mary Bridget if we vote no does he have to come back yeah but we have to go find him I like to make a motion to accept the resignation of Leonard steer as Ward 4 City councilor and find a position vacant provide guidance on the process for appointing an interim city counselor necessitated by the vacancy yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero knows great so

2:07:13 um if we could just take a few minutes to talk a little bit about the process the last interim counselor was counselor Pitts for Ward one that process took about 60 days when the council did that before so I thought what we could do is just kind of using that as our basis go through sort of chronologically the steps and you can give me some feedback and then we'll have something more um formal for you at the next meeting so um obviously it starts with the application let us like I said last time I was open 30 days just wanting to make sure that you think that's an acceptable amount of time to have enough time to advertise it out to the community get people to be able to turn their applications in and um then you would be able to have time to evaluate it after does that sound okay

2:07:58 all right yes I'm seeing head nods okay and then the format um it's been a written application then it's the same application for everybody you can get it through the city manager's office or our website it was based similarly to um like a council committee application so it has questions like um you know why do you want to be an interim counselor your qualifications and what your priorities and also some information about the time commitment because as you know the counselor time commitment can be is uh you know no thanks sorry any input on the application um and I know that we haven't brought this we haven't had this conversation Council wide again yet um but I'm just I'm thinking to some of the feedback we had from counselor Pitts

2:08:43 and that process and just ways to make it very clear what is all the ways it is permissible so if we are going to accept resumes if people all of those things that if you were someone who didn't have access to the political process and didn't know well I'm going to have meetings with people and I'm going to do all this stuff that if there is some way that we can include information or exclude information to make it more Equitable so it's not like somebody gives us a big fat packet and people think that's great and somebody who doesn't does know just answers the questions within the thing which was part of you know counselor pitts's response so if there's a way to say you know what whatever like yes we will

2:09:29 feel free to attach a resume or these things I think it would be just whatever we can do to make it really clear to clarify whether people should can do that or cannot do that right and is there any feelings on the council either way do you have a strong feeling either way you know sometimes we will on like requests for proposals or job applications be like this is you know application like don't go beyond here and often in these um interim counsel roles sometimes people will you know they'll like you said they'll test their resume or all kinds of stuff that's not really applicable to the application but is more information about the person so um counselor Pitts feeling was is that was um unfair because there would be one person might have a whole lot of information submitted another person followed the directions of the

2:10:14 application and submitted less so we could definitely put something on the application it says 60 application or please add more that clarification any thoughts yeah because the cover letter kind of cover lights here you're why you're interested in the position is it a cover letter would help you like highlight your your reasons for wanting to apply and why you think you'd be good at the job right not I mean your resume is great but it's just sort of like what you've done but like actually get a chance to tell you know to tell the council why okay Joe so those application questions were put together for a reason to try to determine whether or not a person is is most applicable or most qualified so however

2:11:01 we're going to put it I don't care as long as those basic questions where I can look at that and and get a basic picture of of who I'm looking at okay so I don't care where the format but I would like to make make sure we have all the information and not a fourth of it okay so same questions from each person and adequate enough to make your decision yeah so questions like your um why do you want why do you want to do this what are your qualifications what are your priorities do you understand the time constraints yeah as long as you get the basics I don't care how it gets to us yeah okay for me so I I think we do we have work session time are you going to write this up and bring it back to I'm going to bring it back to you though for a public hearing okay regular session yeah so could there be those questions plus a cover letter

2:11:47 that would be one yeah I would be fine with that does that sound good and then be specific on the application like this is your chance yeah okay got it okay okay and then we will include that in the next packet so you can get an idea of how that will look all right and then um once the applications are in then um what you did last time and I would recommend that you do this again is you have work session time to evaluate the applications determine at that point uh you know who because most likely the step after that are in our interviews um in-person interviews so depending on the number of applications you may decide we'll interview everybody or we'll just interview a few people or we'll leave it open maybe to have more applicants kind of depending but it's a nice kind of check-in Point decision point about what you're going to do next does that sound

2:12:33 like a okay okay all right and then in-person interviews for applicable candidates at that point Joe so we don't know how many people are going to be interested I don't know if we have that many crazy people in town um but if we get a a plethora of bunch it would be nice to be able to have some sort of scoring system to where we can move people forward some sort of objective scoring system system of some sort that you know if we get 40 folks I'm not interested in interviewing for you folks last time you had I believe eight people I don't think you interviewed everybody I think you sorted those out but it's hard to know what that criteria is remember the system we used yeah actually I remember us

2:13:18 interviewing did you interviewed all eight right okay we did yep so I would think we would have you know work session time the first I don't know Monday afternoon in April yes that's when that's would be the next potentially available time and then and then we can yeah then we can kind of you know scope out depending on how many uh how many applications we have Corey I have a very merry Bridget question oh gosh okay so um on the other the flip side of it let's say we hit two people and it just if we don't feel like like do we have to choose one of those people or could we we go out for a repost or keep it open or you can go back out or you can keep it open okay our Charter our code does not have a timer requirement like some places will have a Time requirement or

2:14:03 you have to go into a special election we do not have them so that's a good check-in point to determine whether oh okay hey maybe we need to get more out to the community so folks know this is open or yeah we're happy you know we got a good number of folks Could you actually make that clear in the process documents so we have it okay good definitely yeah okay and that was my next point so timing so I think that um what the work of the city manager's office for the schedule but potentially in April would be when you would be able to come back and see how many applications you got and what you want to do from there the interview questions then we have a set of 10 interview questions we can bring to that April meeting and you can determine do you still want to use those or use different ones or how you want to work that so that could happen there if

2:14:48 that works just a note you do have budget committee meetings in April starting April 25th just in terms of timing if you're thinking you want to have special meetings or not have special meetings you're going to be meeting a lot in April so something to keep in mind for schedule um and then the voting we can I don't think I would have a specific process for voting but that it is vote by majority and really kind of depends how many people you have at that point how you narrow it down but we can deal with that then um and then public engagement already talking with City manager's office about ways to engage folks in Ward 4 to let them know that this is out there um and um try and get applicants interested people So based on this schedule there would be

2:15:33 we're running a real risk that this person will be joining budget committee that's already in flight potentially but last time I mean if you're going in April let's say you do get into that April 3rd meeting you'll have that work session then you need to schedule the interviews at other meetings I'm I'm guessing it's going to be into May would be my thought but I'm hoping to work with the city manager's office on Friday for the schedule okay perfect are there any other questions okay so we'll come back to you in February with a process that people can react to in a public hearing it will have some flexibility depending on number of applicants and kind of checkpoints for the council at the time and then the application uh will be in that packet as well great okay thank you all right

2:16:18 thank you next item any other business from the city council well go ahead is this the part where we talk about when we went to meetings and stuff yes but don't don't get that far okay what Mary Bridget come back yeah okay she didn't see the cue for business for the council Mary Bridget has the first item um I'd like to um talk to the council about the letter from epud that you received on February 1st and then I had sent you a memo about a potential response to that um so eweb sent the council and the sub board a letter on February 1st and asked

2:17:03 for a specific response in your rules there are ways that the council can respond to a letter um it goes to a gender review initially um so we had time on Friday to discuss it just with a draft um didn't make any comments about the draft but just be able to move it forward to you all and then you can discuss that draft here and then vote potentially if you'd like to amend that letter send that letter send no letter have discussion about it whatever you would like to do I do have hard copies here I have a couple hard copies of the epod letter and then I have hard copies of the draft letter if anybody needs good okay the letter really essentially says this is not our place to make a comment about

2:17:48 whether it would be appealed or not or a separate body we appreciate that we're both you know that Subs created on the charter and that may be confusing but that's not how we see it and um we can't comment on whether sub will appeal or not so any discussion or amendments to the letter I'm happy to hear it Corey thank you did you have your hand up first okay because I don't want to be a big hug um one I want to just say that the letter as far as I'm concerned just find as is secondly just in a space I want to say how much I appreciate all of the time that staff has spent in the reaction to this um especially like in the moment because I was I think I was the I was the canary

2:18:34 in the coal mine on that because it came up in a meeting and I was like what happened here I you know so I just want you all to hear that I appreciate the immediacy and the professionalism and all of the time it is taking Springfield City staff to respond to something that we are not responding to so thank you any other questions Steve I was a question but I have a comment sure that is about uh the pro having the control of electricity inside the urban growth boundary or city limits I don't think that should happen because how do we plan for the city how do we plan for growth how to repent for growth in that area and and uh

2:19:19 another example how that happened before Glenwood when it went from Eugene to Springfield Urban growth boundary eweb just signed off became some just like a no no controversy at all very simple could be able to happen this way all right Joe I like the letter as it is and I would like to go ahead and weigh in on wanting to move that forward please thank you so if we could do a motion and a vote and then we can get this out the door I'd like to make a motion to have the letter as drafted sent on behalf of the city to epood Second all right call the vote please

2:20:09 yes thank you all right but the motion passes five yeses zero knows and I will just note that I have both expressed my deep frustration with both bodies about how we're getting dragged into this great thank you all right Victoria okay I'll make it quick because we all want to go home I went to the historic Commission meeting and I would when I first got assigned this I was like what am I gonna I don't know anything about this historic commission and a really neat group of people they've had a lot of turn a lot of turnover recently but I actually ended up meeting with Christine Beau whose um works with a llama Lane and she's the chairperson or the president and um kind of got a feel for what they're doing and stuff and one of the things one of the projects that's on there

2:20:54 um their radar is to try to do an inventory of all of the pro the land that's within like the Washburn District historic right and to try to get kind of a feel for that and the one thing that was um was wild was that they were doing it on this like hair pin budget like their budget to me just was so fine and they were trying to pull like a hundred dollars here and 500 there and so um when I talked to her I'm like what that guy how do you guys do this on that little bit of money and she was like are you kidding me that was like five thousand dollars more than we've gotten years before it was like more money than we're used to um but they have said that they want to come before the council because it's been a while and talk about what they do and um and kind of what they're involved in and I think it'd be really cool to

2:21:39 support that so anyway all right thank you um and I know we're always working on getting bodies on their yeah on a regular joint hearings the one item I did have um we we did not have this lady um join us um but we I am going to send a letter to a lady in Thurston who was one of the folks that went out and picked up that anti-semitic literature and just thank her on behalf of that on behalf of the community um and just tell her like really you know it you it's terrible that this this happened and it's not what we expected but I really was impressed with how well Thurston responded to it and there were a lot of people out there essentially just picking it up trying to get it out

2:22:24 of the way and working with the PD to find out who did it all right Joe no I'm ready to roll oh well we don't even need emotion that's why all right next item please next item is business from the city manager item number one is the home application Springfield departments and Aaron Fifield is here for the staff report good evening mayor council but tonight I'm here with a proposal for the use of federal home funds for a new 39 unit affordable housing development around 16th and Q Street in Springfield as you may know Springfield and Eugene receive an annual allocation of federal

2:23:09 home funds in order to increase the supply of affordable housing as a Consortium Eugene and Springfield puts out an annual request for proposals in the fall this past year Springfield received one proposal for home funds from Cornerstone Community Housing this is a local affordable housing developer been in town for over 30 years they are proposing developing a courtyard housing project with a mix of Studio one and two bedroom units for a households earning less than 60 percent area median income aiming to house seniors and those with disabilities the project 16th and Q is on public transit near a grocery store and the proposal includes providing resident services to those households focusing on economic stability

2:23:54 self-sufficiency and Health and Wellness the total development cost for this proposal is about 12 million dollars Cornerstone is requesting just over two million dollars in home funds about 17 of the total project cost as part of our process for the RFP uh an evaluation committee met in December to discuss this proposal the Springfield proposal scored high in all six categories that summary is laid out in your packet with the evaluation committee making a recommendation for funding so next steps was to bring the proposal to this Council get your feedback on it and then ultimately the decision will be made at the home Consortium government governing body to

2:24:39 determine whether or not to move forward in award home funds and I'll note that Darcy Phillips is also here tonight executive director of Cornerstone Community Housing if there are any specific questions about the proposal are there any questions Corey there's no questions but um I know I've had a lot to say today because we had a lot going on so I was part of the scoring committee for this as like I wish that's why Aaron was pointing at me and was also have been very invested as some folks know in developing that area for it in on Q Street and 16th is so ideal for this project it's not necessarily near schools but it is near amenities that would be great for folks who are older or who have disabilities and so I am extremely excited I know that all the

2:25:26 funding hasn't all come together but it is movement in an area that we've been trying to move for a while so um I am very excited about it so if you all voted down I will be very crappy don't get too far ahead of yourself you know like I'm going to put you on pause I know you're you're done for a second so this piece this conversation started I think Darcy and I were talking about it today probably in 2017 um you know like looking at a piece of property that was in public hands uh that it was a great development site and I just want to thank Cornerstone for continuing to stick with this because this is not the the path that we actually thought this was going to take um and I want to know that there is public land that is owned by team

2:26:13 Springfield members in that vicinity that would make a great face too and we should strongly encourage our Springfield Utility Board Partners to find a way to release that land so that we can build housing considering that there's no infrastructure on that piece of land um with that being said I'm going to unpause Joe I'm surprised that worked I am too I can make a motion to approve the use of federal home phone funds for con Cornerstone Community Housing proposal for construction of 39 new homes and common area at 1875 16th Street and Springfield second all right Neil could you call the vote Yes council member yes councilor Mo yes councilor Bradley yes cancer Doyle

2:26:59 absolutely and councilman yeah uh four yeses one absolutely and no no so motion passes next item please any other business from the city manager uh yes I do I know it's late and you're all are tired and I'm not feeling well either which is why I'm wearing this mask but I I do want to comment about tonight's business from the audience and the powerful words from Margot help hand um from the Jewish Federation of Lane County and I was very moved by what she said I was very moved by the actions of the Thurston residents who went out and picked up that horrible hate speech and

2:27:45 I just want to thank her for her words and let her know that I stand with her I stand with our Jewish community and I want to make it very clear that hate speech and anti-Semitism is not welcome in the City of Springfield Oregon thank you next item please any uh Business from The City attorney no no additional business tonight thank you

0:05 I'm going to call the city council work session to order with roll call mayor Van Gordon here councilor Weber councilor Mo here Council Bradley here councilor Doyle here Council missionary here thank you we have two items tonight the first item is Spike share with Drew Larson it seems really low uh good evening my name is Drew Larson I'm a transportation planner for the City of Springfield uh and with me this evening is Kelsey Moore from the lane Council of government she is our transportation options specialist um and this evening we are presenting again on the bike share pilot program or Bike Share expansion into the City of Springfield also with me this evening is

0:50 Cascadia Mobility they are the operators of the existing PeaceHealth bike rides or Bike Share in the City of Eugene I've got Brody Hilton and Al hongo from Cascadia Mobility oh one too many there we go uh so just a quick little background for the new counselor members um we were back we were here in March of 2022 um and there was a general support of Bike Share in Springfield but there were some questions related specifically to what was the community feedback um what were the expansion details uh the evaluation criteria and process operation plan and timelines and funding details and so after that meeting uh

1:37 Kelsey Moore um did a number of community outreach and I'm actually going to turn it over to her for just a little bit and then I will be back shortly good evening so for those of you who weren't here when we presented in March of 2022 a couple of Bike Share Basics users can walk up to a Bike Share Hub which is a rental return location rent a bike take it for a short trip anywhere within the system boundaries and return it and leave it behind um generally Bike Share works best if it's situated densely and the hubs are situated close to each other I'm back so peace health rides launched in Eugene in April of 2018. currently it

2:22 has 300 bikes and 40 hubs those rental return locations the hubs are located near retail Transit and housing um it boasts a diverse ridership you'll see visitors residents and students using the current system in Eugene and over the past 12 months 150 000 trips were taken by Bike Share um so in Fall of 2022 we launched a community engagement process here in Springfield one of the questions Council asked when we presented in the past was does um spring do Springfield residents want to see Bike Share here and if so where do they want to see Bike Share operating so we launched a process we had an interactive feedback tool a web

3:07 page print materials digital materials and we also conducted in-person surveys at four key locations you can see some of the materials up there as well um here you'll see an example of the online feedback tool where residents could visit and give their information about where they would be interested in seeing Bike Share and the in-person survey in the in-person survey we learned that 76 of residents were familiar with Bike Share and 86 of excuse me of respondees to the in-person survey said they were interested in seeing Bike Share operate in Springfield

3:52 the operation zones it's kind of hard to read here to the in-person survey and the online feedback tool said that they'd like to see Bike Share operate in downtown was the number one um Mohawk Gateway Riverbend Centennial and Glenwood were close follow-ups to downtown or when asked where they'd like to see Hub locations the rental return locations some of the key places identified on the online feedback tool was William Elaine Park Swim Center the downtown LTD station planktown Public House and Doris

4:37 Ranch we also wanted to make sure that we heard directly from business owners property owners and developers as specifically in the downtown core as we anticipated that would be likely where Bike Share would operate um we so I I visited all the downtown businesses on Main Street um answering questions making sure they understood the project scope 13 downtown businesses chose to sign a letter of support and three key property owners and developers also chose to sign letters of support for a bike share pilot in Springfield we also interacted with willamalane throughout the process as we knew some of the rental return Hub locations could potentially be located near the path

5:24 system or in parks and um William Lane was eager to see the system operate in Springfield and also chose to sign a letter of support and I'm going to turn it back over to Drew to talk a little bit more about what the pilot proposal looks like for Springfield thank you Kelsey's Outreach and um Direction actually from city council uh back in the march of 2022 seeing stating that they would think that Bike Share expansion in the downtown Springfield the core area would probably be most suited for it that's actually

6:09 where Kelsey focused much of her uh public engagement and Outreach and just on this map um I believe we placed one in front of you it's just a heat map uh compiling all the information um from the online data survey the in-person surveys and so the you can see on that based on that heat map that the downtown core area was the the key areas in which um the City of Springfield residents would like to see it operate so again from that March 2022 uh work session um Council wanted to know a little bit more about the operations uh of the Bike Share system in Springfield and so with that staff along with Cascadia Mobility

6:54 evaluated the existing Eugene contract and operations and maintenance responsibilities and identified some key components in which uh I we view that should be key components of the contract and that includes ownership maintenance responsibilities um and installation of them as you can see here the City of Springfield would actually be the owners of the Hub infrastructure the racks signage those types of things cascading Mobility would own the bicycles and then following launch all maintenance including graffiti removal relocation um or in the eventual quality of ultimate removal of the Bike Share Hub

7:40 infrastructure that would all fall on either Cascadia Mobility or a private contractor to be funded through the grant so the timeline um it is funding determinant so once we have funding that'll kind of set that clock of when actually launch would occur so we don't have a solid date on that that's one of the items we were requesting this evening and so staff is proposing a three-year pilot program um this the three years staff feels is a good measure of success for a program it gets residence six months to a year to get comfortable with the new system a comfortable with the new Transit option that they have available available to

8:26 them it also aligns with regional grant funding Cycles which are about a three to four app or three to four year application and funding cycle so staff is recommending that three-year pilot program and again from that March 2022 work session Council was concerned with evaluation criteria as well as maybe even an off-ramp so staff is recommending an 18-month evaluation in which Council can decide whether or not to offering up the project or terminate the project or direct staff to seek additional funding for an ongoing Bike Share program in the City of Springfield so the Eugene's system is currently funded by three different sources that

9:11 is sponsorship for the peace health rights are the primary sponsorships uh sponsorship there's Rider revenue and then there's Transportation grant funding all of which staff would pursue if Council directs us to pursue bicycle funding there is a unique opportunity this year through ODOT the Oregon Department of transportation's innovative Mobility Grant which specifically identifies Bike Share as an eligible project and that application process opens up probably fall of this year and so that would be a unique opportunity to pursue with funding um this one gets a little technical so I'm just going to read what I wrote just so I don't muddle through it so please bear

9:56 with me uh So based on secured funding and projected sponsorship and writer Revenue staff is seeking direction from Council this evening to secure approximately 410 000 in Grants to cover launch and operational costs for the proposed three-year pilot program including 338 thousand dollars to cover the three-year operations of Bike Share and seventy two thousand dollars to cover uh any remaining costs to refurbish the bicycles and the Hub infrastructure so with that comes uh local match requirements pretty much with any Grant uh and transportation funding local match ranges from 10 to 20 percent or in this case 42 000 to 82 000 in local match requirements

10:44 so with that um staff is recommending action this evening uh to request piece uh direct staff to request peace health peace health sponsorship uh pursue the 410 000 in Grants uh and then update Council when the funds are secured finalize Hub locations and service area bring an operations contract to city council for approval and update city council after 18 months of operation uh thank you and we are available if you have any questions Steve I I was at a mpo meeting last Thursday and I believe we okayed six hundred thousand dollars for Mike share operations to Eugene these programs mix

11:33 so I will probably lean on Brody here in a second so the the systems we're proposing that the system be operated by the same operator Cascadia Mobility uh that six hundred thousand dollars for Eugene is for an expansion in Eugene uh and would not cover a pilot program in the City of Springfield yeah it still goes through peace out though doesn't it uh well peace health is the primary sponsorship of the Bike Share system yes thank you I I'll just answer that quickly I'm Brody Hilton with Cascadia Mobility um yes the answer to your question is yes the we would expand the network so that the bicycles would flow freely between Springfield and Eugene it would be operated as a single minute thank you Joe so I have a question in regards to so

12:20 there's money made through an app but people pay correct foreign correct there is writer Revenue okay and so refurbish a bike is a thousand dollars each and then you have people that are collecting money but it sounds like we have an expensive four hundred thousand not we I'm just saying the total cost of the programs it looks like 410 000. correct that 410 000 so we have secured funding uh a hundred thousand a hundred thousand dollars for bike refurbishment that wouldn't potentially cover the entire refurbishment um and we also received a regional bicycle enhancements Grant

13:05 um that was covering a good chunk of the bicycle infrastructure that we need Hub locations those types of things so that 410 000 is one three hundred thirty eight thousand dollars in operational costs that's just to operate the system for three years and then about 72 000 to cover the shortfalls in the launch that we don't already have secured so it's about 120 000 a year operationally uh yeah 110 120 000 operational yeah and so the profit from the people paying on the app where does that go so that goes into the operator so actual operation of it is more along the lines of 800 and what is it 865 000 and so with

13:51 sponsorship from peace health rides Rider Revenue you're looking at income or subsidies I don't know however you want to look at of 527 000 and so that 410 000 would cover the shortfall on operations and again the remaining portion of the launch so the total actual cost of the program is you're saying is about 800 and something thousand is that right 865 000 to operate to run it operationally I'm just trying to figure out what the price tab is that's what I'm trying to figure out so total price tag with launch Hub infrastructure we're looking at just over a million dollars for a hundred bikes for 100 bikes Hub infrastructure uh maintenance responsibilities operation all over me my math says

14:37 that's a hundred thousand dollars a bike right um divided by a hundred I I 100 and some odd thousand per bike over the over the life of that program and my someone helped me with my math I could be way off yeah the ten thousand dollars bike uh over the life of the program and yes we we have received uh bicycles and the refurbishment is about a thousand dollars a piece um all in uh technology included paint all that um so yeah the total need for the program would be on the order of four hundred thousand dollars for the for the three-year pilot um the revenues earned would we would be approaching peace health to sponsor the

15:22 program uh since all my math was wrong I just it just click so yes about 10 to 12 10 11 000 per bike for the three-year period and that also though includes uh the rack infrastructure which which is a sort of a separate uh bucket if you will the when we talk about infrastructure to support the program we're talking about standard bicycle racks which any anybody riding a bicycle can can lock to so um even if the Bike Share program for example didn't succeed the racking to my understanding would remain or it could be removed but in any case the bicycle racks are available for any bicyclists those are bought but those are owned by the city correct that's what I thought yeah hmm other questions

16:08 okay go ahead I was just going to say if for those of you are interested in the budget it's attachment four so that has all the budget details so I think one of the things I'm unclear about the budget for is the 400k is that including peace health or excluding peace health so if you look at attachment four it breaks it into a launch budget and then the three-year operation budget for the pilot um and the launch budget is for bikes to refurbish those The Hub infrastructure that we're talking about having a sign and some racks to lock a bike to administrative costs and then we we built in a 15 contingency as things sometimes you know cost will go up over

16:53 time um and that you can see some of the columns there also show the the funding that has already been secured for the bike refurbishment and for some of the Hub infrastructure as well Victoria so just real quickly I just want to say I I'm familiar with the Eugene project I remember when it went in and I actually have used those bikes in Eugene and working downtown and I found them to be really convenient and useful I've used them in Bend when I've been there doing the ale trail and I didn't want to you know be on a car um I don't see the same need in Springfield I just don't see Springfield being like in Eugene things are spread out so I'm downtown and I want to go up to 18th

17:39 and Willamette or I want to go over to Whole Foods or whatever the the stuff is in enough of an area where I can get there but it's not that big of a deal and in Springfield I just don't see us having the infrastructure that would necessitate uh a program like this I'm still trying to wrap my head around why we would use that because I mean I'm not going to use it to go to work obviously um if I work in Eugene OR Eugene to Springfield so I'm trying to figure out how people and why people would use those bikes in our town that's a really good question um talking to downtown business owners I received a lot of feedback that um most of the owners I was able to get in person you know they're small business owners so you're going in and sometimes you're not always able to talk directly to the owner but when I was most of the

18:24 owners were supportive and they could see a lot of value and especially bringing potential U of O students into downtown Springfield was one thing that I heard is like a value of it and then within Springfield I heard some of them say they could see like employees writing from their neighborhood into downtown Springfield people coming down to access dining retail it is a little unique in Springfield in the sense that um are you referring to there's fewer like there's fewer hubs where you might be purchasing um yeah I mean if I'm in my neighborhood um in Thurston or even if I'm in I don't know over by Q Street and what have you I just don't see someone we're more Compact and so I don't see people I see

19:10 people taking an Uber for five bucks right instead of hopping on this you know bike afternoon because it is a bit of a thing to learn to get used to the coding it's gotten easier now oh it hasn't okay um I know your code and I like I still have it in my phone like what my code is much quicker you walk up to a bike you um can you can use a code but you can also scan it with your smartphone if you have one to rent a bike that way and I think in Springfield we're being conscious of where the comfortable bike infrastructure is currently when we're looking at sighting hubs as well um in the sense that I hear you saying you know would people ride it one thing is where would they ride it to how would they use it we did hear from residents and online and in the in-person surveys that they were interested in using it so

19:56 there is some interest and then when it comes to like where I think definitely thinking about where it would be comfortable and where those nodes of places that people would want to get to are I hear what you're saying I've just seen some of these Pro programs like the umbrella program we did in Cottage Grove where we had free umbrellas like people could just borrow the umbrellas and then drop them at other places and stuff and it just it it just didn't work in that in that small of a community so I'm just standing and I'm not sure if I answered the budget question sufficiently sometimes when I'm a little nervous I have trouble speaking in numbers so I'm happy to turn it over to a colleague to answer it if that's still outstanding we'll come back to that in a second we got people starting to queue up uh Steve and then we'll go to Michelle I

20:41 completely agree with Victoria but the future is going to drive us towards our bicycles and less cars and put getting this system getting used to it in the future that's going to be something we're going to have to do Michelle the surveys that were were performed um do we feel like that's a really good representation of all of Springfield or was that isolated to like a specific area um you know do we think this is something that like the majority of Springfield residents would support or very good question I anticipated that um so to the site we had a hundred um excuse me a thousand 121 visits that doesn't represent anyone everyone who

21:26 interacted with online tool but we did get 260 votes on 67 Hub sites people could say I like that Hub location or propose a new one and 167 votes on 19 of the operational zone so we did hear from people on the online tool and when we sent out the postcards we sent out 7 430 postcards we did Focus kind of on a downtown adjacent area but we also sent them to um lick uh excuse me establishments that had a liquor license with the assumption that those could potentially be dining in retail locations and we wanted to hear excuse me not retail but dining and restaurant locations and we wanted to hear from

22:11 um those locations and we also sent out to affordable housing um we promoted really heavily through our partners and all of our online resource options we had flyers and posters around the community so I think we had a pretty for the size of the project the Outreach was very robust I I know that people are busy and not everyone will choose to give feedback but I would say it was pretty robust feedback for the size of the project does that answer your question okay great thank you Joe come on back up on the on-site survey and yeah I don't remember seeing

22:57 a question that said would you support this program if it cost tax dollars it was not that question on the online survey you're correct um seems like they should know it would cost them money if if they even if they wanted it and the question of do would you be interested if it costs tax dollar monies are you referring to the grant match funds that would be required for any Grant I'm re I'm referring to the survey where you know grants from or tax dollars no matter what it's called right so are the people just point blank asked are you interested in this program if it's going to cost tax dollars as opposed to being self-funded they weren't but I would I would posit that most people

23:43 understand that programs do cost money and that oftentimes when we're proposing a public transportation option that they can assume that there will be some cost associated with that so we never once said it is an assumption but we never once said there will be no costs associated and you're correct that was not one of the questions it would probably influence my answer if you were to ask Corey thank you I hear that thank you um I just want to say that I appreciate all of the intentional Outreach because I remember the last time and I was one of those people was like I want to I want a definition of where the bikes would go and who would use them and I appreciate that you all went out to answer that question and I'm still supportive of this thank you Victoria just one real quick question so in the hubs are these going to be on private property are you

24:28 planning on using public right-of-way so right now um we would wait for Council approval to pursue the pilot project we have some identified Hub locations based on the public input but we would go out with staff and look at those sites and see if they're feasible um likely most of them would be on public right away um but there is the opportunity for private if a business or another entity was interested in seeing a hub cited on private property okay so when I look at the map and I look at the packet so is are you asking recommending that that it be expanded to every place the heat map is are you recommending simply that it's expand into downtown

25:15 um when you look at the Heat Map There's a system boundary I'm not sure if that's super clear I wish I could click back um but you'll see the heat map shows you the areas that public the public said hey we'd be interested in seeing those rental return Hub locations here and then we proposed a system boundary within that part of the reason we're proposing a system boundary is Bike Share systems work best when the hubs are situated very near to each other within a fourth a mile or less um and that's just what data showed us over time for the Eugene system and systems across the states and that's why we're looking at that initial system expand a system boundary because we anticipate that about 100 bikes within that would be reasonable and users would always have access

26:00 to a bike okay um I do have con like to me the system boundaries make it a little bit more sense I've got a question about I got to think about whether or not it's would be too big um but it's very clearly not you know centered on centered on our downtown core um what would happen if you took it out of the system boundary into the in into the say Glenwood area oh yeah um so we are looking at right so there's actually an interesting piece to it where you can geofence areas so we are looking at the potential to geofence scenarios so we could have assisted boundary and say there's actually I think we didn't mention this but there are two HUD locations at the PeaceHealth RiverBend location currently and so that's kind of a satellite option there's the option to geofence other

26:46 locations such as Doris Ranch the shops at Gateway um key locations maybe near some of the hotels in Glenwood um so there could be geofence locations that are kind of satellite to that system boundary you can ride in and out of the system um you are charged if you dock you park a bike and you end your trip outside of the system so users are encouraged to ride back in the system and I think something that was touched on earlier is this is a system of 100 bikes that's what we're proposing for Springfield as a pilot however it would be able to be used regionally so a user could ride between the Eugene um system boundaries and the Springfield and leave rent and return bikes within both so they'll be at 300 bikes in that system 100 in the

27:31 Springfield one but they'll go back and forth and be rebalanced yeah please do hi my name is Alan the director of operations um so you know I'm the the guy who actually makes sure the bikes are in the right places at the right times or manage the team who does and one thing that I think is really important to add to this question about a systemary boundary is that uh we don't discourage people to leave the boundary so long as the bike winds up back inside at the end of the day uh just in the month of October last year there are actually about 57 trips that came through Springfield which is a pretty long Trek from Eugene given that our boundary ends basically near Austin Stadium so there's already demand to make trips from Eugene to Springfield that's 57

28:18 trips in just one month and so Springfield but actually be getting a particularly strong value for money in that in a way it can lean on the what will actually be about 350 bikes uh very soon in Eugene uh and then that that people from Eugene can come to Springfield people from Springfield can go to Eugene and vice versa they can they can swap between regions and of course my team will ensure that by the end of the day every day that they're still at least 100 bikes in Springfield that are working and ready for people okay could we go back to the budget question um I'm still unclear where this peace health sponsorship comes into it is so when we're when we're looking at the overall bottom line

29:04 um so the um the total three-year operating cost estimate is 865 290. okay we're anticipating someone on the order of a hundred thousand dollars for our ask of peace health will be on over a hundred thousand dollars per year which is on par with a per bike about a thousand dollars per bike per year uh that they pay to sponsor the system in Eugene um we and you see that uh reflected there on the bottom uh middle uh uh column there 315 315 000 over the three year period and we project Rider revenues on the order of 212 000 over the three-year period And I call that a conservative estimate in both cases frankly um you may be able to ask um his health for a little bit more as inflation has impacted everyone over the last two years um and likewise we uh changed our

29:51 pricing to make single trips a little bit more expensive for folks using the Bike Share system single trips you pay in two ways either you are a monthly member and basically all your trips are free for 15 a month or you pay per trip and so the visitors pay per trip and uh that is primarily where we change the price we charge a dollar to unlock if you're a visitor or a single trip user and so our Rider revenues over the past six the last six months of 2022 exceeded our Revenue projections so that's just to say the revenue projections here I'd call slightly conservative let's add into the question yes Joe so you determine the prices you're just saying it's a dollar ton lock and then you have a monthly fee and the cost to

30:38 Springfield is projected to be between forty two thousand eighty two thousand over is that over the three year period yes that would be the match and so when you're coming up with pricing it'd be explored having a net zero cost for the city what we're trying to do is make Bike Share accessible frankly is we view this we're a non-profit and we're running this as an extension of trans that is a mode of Transit as a way for people to connect to traditional forms of Transit so to connect to the bus and that's part of the strategy with the sighting is to uh cite hubs near Transit and in employment centers and recreation centers and places where people want to shop right that's that's the point of it

31:23 um we could certainly raise our pricing further but that will have an impact on the ridership when we take a look at what is the public cost per trip compared to other modes even driving your own car or riding the bus there's nothing cheaper except for riding the bike you own and this is a way to connect people to a bike that they don't own in case they are worried about bike theft in case they find themselves downtown Springfield without their car it allows people to get to work without a car and take a car on a short trip for a lunch meeting to run an errand whatever it may be so this is really just again an extension of Transit we think of Bike Share as a load of Transit frankly and Tom schwetz from LTD is here in support of of us and the work so we're doing the question no no but I'm saying no I'm not trying to go on a tangent I'm just saying I think we have

32:09 a a broad uh a a a broad spectrum of Community Support around the project and right there our hope is that we're moving towards um as as councilor Mo mentioned I mean you know towards more bicycle accessibility and what this can help do is Achieve goals around that right by by what I've launched Bike Share programs around the country and one thing we see when we launch programs is that um Bike Share begets bicycle infrastructure and more bicycling begets more bicyclists and so All Ships rise and traffic is reduced and Emissions go down and communities are more tightly knit those are the things that I observe any any other comments because when you're going to have to get to the point where we give them some direction we can give them a yes go ahead bring back more

32:55 information you guys want to talk about it longer any number of any number of things bring it back do you want to talk about it longer Steve are you are you good going forward I'm good going forward but keep your information coming to us please Joe something we're gonna have to do eventually anyways well we only do we only have to do what we say we have to do right now and like I said it's going to be the future well as proposed I can't support this right now I think based on shooting three years out and also a cost to the public um for me I would like to be able to see it as saying okay let's come back as a

33:40 Net Zero cost and yeah that that's just not going to happen um it will never be uh hang on a second oh yeah I didn't ask you a question let him finish and then we'll thank you sorry so that's really for me is where you got programs even State programs out there that are saying that they have to be self-funded and they're not getting any legislative money and they charge the users enough to pay for their programs and I don't see this as any different I see this as a cost to the city so I can't support it as it said if you come back with a net zero cost or it's self-funded I'm all ears

34:27 anybody else want to get in here I I agree with Joe as far as the taxpayers are concerned I don't want to ask anything on to them in I still have to look ahead I don't like to see it self-funded somehow quite Victoria and and I don't necessarily agree I I the way of the future means maybe people own their own bikes and stuff but the fact that the city has to provide that for these short trips I mean we've moved into where we have Uber and Lyft that will take you to these these short rides for five dollars for three dollars and they're people's own money and they get to make that choice so I personally think it's a cool idea I just don't think it's right for Springfield so I'm not unfortunately able to support it

35:13 myself either so yeah I mean I would like to see a little less burden on the tax dollar side of it too so if there's if there's some way we can maybe work with different local Partners um I know Tom is here in support of this and LTD is working really hard to solve this problem too so maybe we can have a bigger conversation with LTD um potential Solutions with willamalane I mean we have a lot of Partners I know that want to get involved and support and solve for this so I think we have an opportunity here that we may be just need to pursue a little bit for sure are you finished yes go ahead okay so why don't we do this why don't we bring it back

35:58 um there's a couple other places that I do have questions about what are the other things that um when I look at the service boundary right like my question also revolves around could we shape and size it as far as the total bike size right because I don't know if that you know impacts the total cost the other question would be other sponsorships from either LTD you know or willamalane if they're interested or um if I look at the slide um it says that you know to go out for Grants what what other what those grants might look like I know there's a ton of State funds out there right now um so I think that's a I think that's a question to kind of look at it the other thing that I would love to know operationally is the size of the um uh just I guess the identified where

36:45 these hubs are going to go right because it talks about there could be as many as like 10 of them and I'm just trying to get my head around the size and also okay 16 of them right like if we all if we focus on specifically downtown right like how big of a footprint are we actually talking about to fit those fit those 100 bikes and then lastly maybe a cleaner look at what the financials are instead of having it it's the total cost turn it into an annual you know sort of an annual run rate from there um I think there's just a little bit of additional work that can be done here um generally I'm supportive of bringing this into downtown I think it makes sense to come through Glenwood in downtown especially when it connects to Peace Health um I do have questions about whether or not an extension of Gateway would make sense

37:30 um but I just don't have enough info like I just don't have enough information as far people good with that let them kind of work on it a little bit more let's come back and talk about it um and then we can figure it out from there yeah the outside money interests me because there's six hundred thousand dollars we got for the CV Gene even from federal money I believe and so they got it we didn't well I know so so and I think that actually could help with this conversation a lot because when you look at the content it says hey look go out and find money that's different than hey we would go apply to these sort of five Grands so anybody else before we switch to Mary

38:15 Bridget because we're running a little bit of time all right thank you guys I appreciate it okay all right good evening mayor and Council and Mary Bridget Smith your City attorney I'm here tonight to continue

39:01 the conversation on um revising the city's camping ordinance I am mindful of time and this was meant to be a short item and just really provide some information to the council some additional information and you will have additional opportunities to discuss this matter um what we wanted to bring before the council tonight were um about two items related to this would be Sheltering options in Springfield now and then some examples from other jurisdictions and I think what I'll do in the interest of time is flip this and talk about other examples from other jurisdictions so we can kind of get that part of the conversation rolling um so

39:46 really the point in trying to talk about what other jurisdictions are doing is just a starting point um sometimes it can be a nice jumping off point when you're trying to figure out how to regulate in your own Community to say okay what did other people do how would that work here what are the limitations maybe that won't work or it would so not trying to take a template from anybody but just sort of looking at what other jurisdictions have done um I would encourage you to think of the categories though of the when where and how or time place and manner because that's sort of the buckets that these regulations are falling into and it's what the cases talk about and also I believe um House Bill 3115 so be thinking um as you're kind of working

40:31 through this it will probably be framing this conversation up to you know where is it permitted or prohibited when and how I mean the manner in terms of how people would be camping on city property I also want to be um you know clear that this is um the scope here is what we're talking about is um narrow it is publicly owned property that is open to the public and the overall thought behind this are the court rulings that talk about how local governments cannot criminalize conduct that is unavoidable consequence of being homeless sitting lying or sleeping but can and now must because of the statute generally regulate those items

41:18 so that's really as we frame up this conversation what we're talking about I know homelessness and unhoused is this huge issue has lots of subparts but that's really the conversation tonight looking at other jurisdictions um some themes are kind of I think emerging in terms of what other organizations are doing looking first at time um you know we're seeing obviously um evening you know that I deal with sleeping and that people generally sleep during the day that may not necessarily be always true for the on-house community but that is what you're seeing in the regulation that you know sleeping may be allowed during the evening time but not during the day in public areas 24 hours is another thing that has come up and I wanted to talk a little bit

42:03 about that so you have some perspective so these um there's another group of statutes that talks about homeless camp cleanups and that talks about cleaning up an established camp and that would be somewhere where people have been uh sleeping and being for a longer period of time under state law there are notifications and property storage requirements for homeless Camp cleanup and they talk about established camps but the statute and the courts have not yet defined what established means and so the conventional wisdom is 24 hours less than 24 hours or less keeps you from having an established area so a lot of these regulations would say that you can camp for 24 hours or less or you need to move you know down the block or

42:49 down the way to try and avoid that establishment of a camp so that's what you would see there um so that's the connection to Camp cleanup where locations of where it's prohibited are allowed very similar to the conversation that I think excuse me the council had in January environmentally sensitive areas residentially zoned areas safety areas for right-of-way people are quite vulnerable when they're camping that way trying to think about I'm keeping people safe um and then also limitations um Medford has limitations about time of year and fire safety because of a particular area that they're in and then also not allowing prehuding camping around an area that may provide services

43:36 to folks experiencing homelessness with that idea that you know you want that service to be able to be there and it may not be compatible to have people camping right next to if you have a shelter or some kind of area there um so those are some of the areas um in terms of where and then certain cities will even have um particular right-of-way or streets well they would just outright say no they also may say hey we may determine later that this is not a good place to Camp because of traffic or construction or something and they have the ability to change that you'll see some organizations will also kind of have an ability for the city manager to set regulations or provide permits in particular instances and that may be some flexibility that you want to have down the road in terms of you know if

44:21 there's a big construction project somewhere and that was an area where people were you may not want that to those those wouldn't be necessarily compatible another thing on location could be schools daycares those kinds of other uses Parks has again you know we have a Parks District in our community regulate Parks parks in some communities was allowed others it wasn't it might depend on the type of part where that Park was in terms of in the location of the city or the types of services that that Park provided um some of them were like for example you couldn't be so close or far from a particular path or Trail as an example and then the how I think you'll really see um fires people building fires as being problematic for safety structures a lot

45:07 of personal property animals trash those kinds of things and bend had a recommendation or I'm sorry their code talks about moving a space after 24 hours that's to break up that camp establishment and have that small area so those are some of the things we're seeing we're going to keep looking as our other organizations work through this but as we come into March I just kind of wanted you to be able to have in your head oh yeah okay some places are talking about time or they're talking about places and if there are things that would help you or other communities that you know about I'm more than happy to look at those as well Joe I thought you were raised your hand all right Corey thank you for this is you know we've we've been on this since the beginning

45:53 um I have a quick one I appreciate thinking about um flexibility as you know our neighborhoods and things evolve over time and exactly what you said if we're having an area where we're doing a lot of road construction or there's a device I appreciate that okay I also appreciate the thinking about what how can we set the policy at this level and is there a way to empower the city manager and staff to make those day-to-day decisions I really like that okay and I have a question if any of these have put any sort of um sort of congregate number limitations like you know to to in addition to the time like 24 hours and then you move maybe no more than you know one or two camps or something like

46:39 that has anybody is that a thing we could do too I think so I have seen and I believe it's Corvallis did have like um instead of congregate numbers it was certain distance from other people and other campers so I think that's another way to get at that issue but I can look and see are you sure this time all right pretty sure pretty sure uh thank you Mary Bridget just I appreciate the amount of work you put in there and I for one I have always appreciated looking at uh other agencies or entities very much so because what I see here is a um what they call that when a painter's got this thing at all the different colors I painted a palette that's what I see right here there's there's a no clear

47:26 color um but what is clear to me is everybody's trying yes and I think this also gives us an opportunity to pick pieces of each one of these that best suits Springfield so I really appreciate this approach and I think we're going definitely in the right direction okay um I do understand and I support having a no more than 24 hour limit because I do not want to get into landlord-tenant issues okay storage of property Etc and I didn't see unless I missed it which is very possible I didn't see where they had I know they had some pieces here I think in Newport we're talking about schools and other facilities but I didn't see um should not be camped near any areas

48:12 or rows that may pose a danger to the campers yeah I would see um some places would say for example um there's some that will just say look no camping on these unright-of-ways or they might call it specific right-of-ways and what I wasn't just able to determine from my research was like oh is that somewhere because it's a super busy road and they don't want people there or is that somewhere because you know of some other entrance to the city or you know yeah and then I think one Community I saw had like no obstructions you know and that's another issue and Portland is dealing with that now obstructing exits like you said on-ramps other areas where people would be um where drivers and um you know folks would not be competitive right and a big concern for

48:58 me also is um the vicinity of waterways yes so I think because we're got two rivers on our borders that and we've had those problems before with camps that are in the vicinity of right-of-ways well there's drinking water pulled from some of those Rivers areas and at least well heads that are in those areas and contamination I think could be uh easily made if we don't yeah limit that so the rows they have the the potential safety hazards such as on-ramp off-ramp areas that look vicinity or locales next to waterways and it could even be for example if there's public land it's um from Main Street North to Thurston Road

49:44 on 69th there's a Waterway there part of our flood control system that does have property on either side of that right of way that may be enough for a camp but it would not be safe for them okay because that's about it it's actually about a 12 or 14 foot drop north of Thurston Road you said between Thurston and Main Street on 69th running north south Okay so but I would be in favor of sitting down looking at the potential areas that we could allow but I also would want to limit no more than 24 hours and not any place that would put those folks in danger because it's going to take our First Responders it's going to put them in danger if they have to respond so Victoria I think that we also need to be cognizant of ADA issues

50:30 um I think that you know Wheelchairs and people with disabilities um here um vision and otherwise having to go out into an actual right-of-way to get around things we need we need to have that somewhere built in there that we're looking at the whole picture and and Ada is a big part of that okay and the burning of the the burning I believe is self-regulated through El Rapa in our agreement that open burning is only permitted certain times of the day and they have to have to be on a uh half acre or larger yeah so nope no burning

51:15 period I did bring up warming fires it's an open Burn yeah I don't care they're freezing to death they need heat wow hang on a second I'm like we can't all it can't be a food fight um so do you have you want to jump in here Steve and then we'll go back to the queue it's just it it's just one way to get heat when it's 10 degrees outside and you're camping so in so my my read on it is if it's 10 degrees outside you need to go to the Eagan warming Center um and that we shouldn't have enough people don't have capacity there okay yeah like but that's why we've got a

52:00 longer work session for this coming up so I would imagine that's probably good feedback for us to dive into when we get into the when we get into the broader work session um and again I'm concerned about the Enviro you know environmental impact areas safety impact areas and especially um you know on just understanding that no permanent structures and really that 24-hour period those are places that are beginning to jump up to me but that's pretty seems like it's pretty consistent among all the jurisdictions um that's what I'm finding now yeah you can look okay anybody else stepped on you there sorry no I'm like hearing that it's starting to feel like that we still have eight minutes we could dive into a whole into a whole other topic I did really well so the next time we next time we meet it's probably going to be a a

52:45 really like that's the in-depth yeah so we are scheduled for March 6th or the only item I think we're the only item on it it's a work session and I'm trying to think how to approach that and um what I'm thinking right now is more visual like with a map and where where we think camping is happening now um as a way as a starting point to have a discussion about how would you regular how would you like to regulate this now you know what I mean like here's where we think someone as I've been kind of working on this someone gave me advice like look what do you got in your community what do you want to try and regulate what you know don't try and regulate it if there's no there there that makes sense so that's why I'd like to start but I would like to have a map so you can react to like oh yeah this

53:32 area town and this here and here's what's here um and whether that's a series of maps or how we'll work that I don't know worry and our deadline for coming into compliance is the first of July it is the first of July I'm trying to work towards um public hearings for adoption in the ordinance in April um to give us a little time in case it takes more time and also just the way the council's schedule is um you know we have some fifth Mondays and stuff in June so it'll be here before you know it um I'm okay for that work session if uh between uh you and staff if those sort of those environmentally you know impacted areas or those safety areas right like you preliminary sort of like cross them off and sort of explain it to us that way we don't have to go through everything and yeah that's what I'm trying to wonder how to narrow this in a

54:18 way that still gives the options where you can ask questions or say no no we want to look at this but also not like here's a map of our city you know what do you want to do yes yeah exactly okay okay this is a good start great thank you very much thank you we're going to adjourn we're going to stay in this room on this link we're probably going to have another group of people come in here so it may get a little bit cozy so the two things I wouldn't ask is uh those look like the might be the bookmark folks so um they're we're they're going to be gone after about the first 10 minutes if you need cards for to sign up for public uh public testimony they're at the door and then you give them to AJ so we are going to adjourn thank you

1:00:26 all right all right so we do have over overflow space in the Jesse main room which is the door which is the room directly to our right um I would ask you know we're going to squeeze in and be pretty cozy most of the library book Mark winners are going to probably be done in the first 10 or 15 minutes so if you were waiting around on Linda Lane and you know if you're in a place where you could maybe make a little bit of space I'm sure we will have a chance to get you all back in here for for your item as well

1:01:23 I'm going to follow the regular session of the Springfield City Council to order with roll call Mayor Van Gordon here outside sir Weber here councilor Mo here councilor Rodney here councilor Doyle here thank you councilor fishing Aaron here thank you please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the black of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all

1:02:09 as we begin our meeting tonight I would like to ask members of the audience who are joining us by phone or online to please keep yourselves on mute until you are called to provide public testimony there is one time designated for public testimony this evening under business from the audience if you're attending in person please complete the request to speak card located at the entrance of the council chamber and give them to the city recorder if you're joining us online with the tablet smartphone or computer and wish to speak either of those times please use the race hand feature in Zoom the order of public testimony is as follows anyone in person in the council chambers and then anyone who has raised their virtual hand and you know how many folks are joining us uh mayor this is my best guess but

1:02:54 approximately 150 in the council chambers and 27 online all right thank you oh we're going to count and key and double check your where your your math here all right first item please first item is Springfield upbeat item number one is mayor's recognition the 2022 through 2023 Springfield Public Library bookmark contest winners and Mark riddle is here for the staff report g'day my name is Mark riddle I'm the youth services librarian here at Springfield Public Library for the past 41 years the Springfield Public Library has run this bookmark competition and tonight we would really like to celebrate the winners of the 2022-2023 uh bookmark before we do that

1:03:39 a really big thank you to the Springfield Arts commission for uh funding the bookmark this year uh a big thank you to Doug darling and the crew at The Print Shop um a big thank you to the Springfield library star and then other members of Staff like uh custodial and security who voted on uh tonight's winners uh so if you don't like that take it up with uh everybody else um and for everybody else um there were 883 entrants this year they blew us away uh so a really big thank you to all of the students and the uh the the Youth of Springfield and to their teachers Librarians parents uh who supported them in designing these as

1:04:25 well so um oh yes and if you'd like to see the uh the rest um most of them are up on in the children's Gallery uh around outside the library um everybody up here has their own set as well uh and then the winning winning ones uh actually along the back wall for anybody here there's big versions um in between all of the Fantastic read posters uh so you can check those out after the meeting um and then the the runners-up and the winners will be going up tomorrow so uh the winners from kindergarten Vivian words thank you pleasure

1:05:21 all right you're gonna hang out with me here okay four minutes okay uh Brooklyn tiller was the first great winner uh one of two fourth grade winners was Brennan Laplante and Ella Jordan was the other fourth grade winner

1:06:20 you can switch down this way it's Bristol there we go for sure congratulations uh Emma lease was the sixth grade winner is dating was one of the two eighth grade winners and the other eighth grade winner was uh Lily Shack on Thomas Midori ranks great was right sorry mcnury race raw was the ninth grade winner

1:07:20 great winner congratulations Maggie can you guys come down on this side we're gonna get around the mayor the mayor in the middle and I think you're in the back mode yeah okay excuse me sorry

1:08:25 all right one more here [Music] all right we'll just give them a minute to uh thank you thank you guys these bookmarks looks great

1:09:15 big book for one of those bookmarks Alpha therapy months all right thank you for your patience everybody uh next item please any other items under uh Springfield update mayor uh no I think I'm Gonna Save that one for business from the uh huh okay next item is consent calendar foreign

1:10:00 to approve the consent calendar second all right could you call the vote please yes councilor Weber yes councilor Mo yes counselor Bradley yes councilor Doyle aye and cancer patient airing yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero knows next item please uh you have no public hearings this evening so the next item after that would be business from the audience all right um we've got quite a few cards this evening so I'm going to call uh the folks of folks up and if you could come up state your name location in in the city uh for the record and then you will have three minutes I went ahead and grouped these um by topic so that it would be because we only have there's Maybe

1:10:47 two other topics that we need to get to um so that it's a little bit more consistent first first person Margot help hand thank you very much for this opportunity to address you my name is Margo Hill fan I actually live in Eugene but I'm the chair of the Jewish community relations Council of Lane County and our mission one of our missions is to educate and Advocate on issues that are a vital importance to the Jewish community and the community at Large and respond to anti-Semitism and other forms of hate in our community and of late we as many others have been deeply

1:11:34 disturbed by the anti-semitic flowering Camp flying campaigns that have um blanketed the Thurston neighborhoods and they have been spreading anti-semitic messages we know that hate against one of us is hate against all of us these campaigns were organized by an extremist hate group known for their anti-semitic racist anti-immigrant flowering efforts there is no doubt that hate speech bias incidents and hate crimes cause actual harm both the people who are targeted and to The Wider Community everyone here while the intent of this group

1:12:20 was to spread animosity divide and create fear we also have been deeply moved sorry and heartened by the actions of community members in Springfield particularly The Neighbors whose homes were targeted by these disgusting leaflets and who spoke up and reported these and collected them and followed us and banded together um and wouldn't let this pass and just throw them away we're also very grateful to the City of

1:13:05 Springfield for their prompt response to these incidents and taking it really seriously it means a lot we can never be silent and biased and discrimination rear their ugly heads but love and solidarity can drown out hate we must always be vigilant to stand together as a community speak up and affirm our common Humanity in the face of baseless hatred thank you for your time thank you you and father Gail you and father Gill

1:13:57 how do I follow that that was wonderful um June father Gill I live at 317 30th number one one anyway at Brentwood estates I appreciate the work that you guys are doing and will be doing on the um camping issue and delving into what it's like to be a homeless person in in Springfield and maybe finding ways to help I hope that that can happen I want to tell a brief story and then I have a couple points one is that um in the 10 years that I was the pastor at ebbert I had him eight with people who were unhoused every week sometimes twice a week that changes your perspective I encourage you to find a way to do that um one thing one thing that happened was

1:14:43 one woman came in and she had what I call Vesuvius you know when someone just goes off and and she was upset about her life I mean she wasn't hurting anybody else she was just having a you know I can't deal with this anymore kind of feeling and we just let her do that that wasn't wouldn't do any good to try to stop her is what I walked over there and then I realized that I didn't need to be there I could just witness because as she settled down I saw other homeless women come around her in tender concern and care that I got to witness so anyway I want to propose that the city council first of all issue a moratorium on citing people or

1:15:28 violations of the current camping ban at least until this process of review and development of a new policy based upon the current law is complete and secondly that the council direct the police department that complaints related to violations of the camping ban or non-violent unhoused persons be handled by community service officers and procedure be developed for this and thirdly that the council direct the police department to be sure that all officers and especially the community service officers if especially if we do number two have the city resource list available to

1:16:14 give to unhoused persons and provide training and we've said this many times on de-escalation and empathy for persons dealing with poverty and homelessness and of course of course that the new policy about campaign when it's complete be shared widely especially to those persons affected our unhoused neighbors police and service providers I want to add also having listened to your discussion that you all of you try to take some time to talk to an unhoused person or someone who has had that experience you can't make a policy that's going to affect their lives if you have never sat down and really had a conversation with

1:17:00 somebody but what it's like to be out there so please take time to do that I encourage you you can do it in lots of different ways Mary Edith will we've talked about ways you can do that but I encourage you to do that thank you Ernie spoke hello um I'm sure a lot of you witnessed or heard the re what happened between me and officer Burke this weekend for whatever I don't even know how long it's been it's been so long I just it was a sad thing but it was it's a climate of art that we're in right now the way we treat people the way we talk to people it's breeding a lot of hatred

1:17:46 and a lot of misunderstanding and I just you know even hearing you guys talk tonight about you know places and you know make a move every 24 hours you know people or people that's why you have to change these laws now because the courts are telling you these are people so please try and word it as people because we are people okay and you know I'm gonna move every 24 hours think about that you know maybe go out and try it you know make sure it is what you would want because you want them to get you know be productive and move up they got to get sleep they have to have some stability I you look like cotton

1:18:31 thank you is there a way I can give a handout okay I wanted to wait until everyone had everything sorry well you can start with your name and location that's right uh so I'm Rusty Earl I uh I live at 1001 South 55th in Springfield

1:19:16 um so I wanted to talk about it was a topic that was brought up to me uh in our neighborhood I think like a week ago the Linda Lane uh Annex discussion and so I just wanted to go over a couple of uh qualifiable information that I put together um I live over in the area not too far from it I mean I think it's less than a mile and so I wanted to show a correlation with the type of housing that was uh proposed to be built there uh the low-income housing of manufactured homes and so I wanted to show an overlay of crime related um and then also the distance between schools the nearest bus routes in particular to the where the Linda Lane

1:20:03 is due to go in um just from the visual aid we can clearly see from really anything it's the farthest point from um from schools I wrote down how far those are at the closest schools a mile and a half away and that's the Thurston High School we have a straight line of sight the closest bus station and store or over a mile away having grown up most of my childhood in poverty and low-income housing and everything walking a mile just to go to the store or even get to the nearest Transportation especially my family was a family of five with three kids I mean that was that's a little rough and we didn't always have a working vehicle to rely on and a lot of my friends in the

1:20:50 community we grew up in they didn't have working vehicles that they could rely on either um uh so those are just data points that I was able to pull and so as an opinion personally I I wouldn't want something like I'm not saying that there's not a need for this there absolutely is a need for what's what's planned to go on I just don't think it's the ideal location um that's my opinion on it uh also the foot traffic or unwanted foot traffic in the area that we will bring um having it where it's at uh we deal with an issue we call it my kids have dubbed them to three people uh but it's the tree line behind our house that backs up Mount Vernon Cemetery uh from our house facing uh East and we've had

1:21:38 issues with campers and stuff like that coming through there and break-ins within our neighborhood uh due to that and so it's just something else that we don't I don't want while my kids are you know so so small and everything too I just don't want that type of activity in our area but again just from the facts it's so far this point from really the basic necessities to store trans public transportation uh stuff like that um so that's all I have thanks uh thank you uh Lindsey Marche my name always gets fancier when I have someone else read it Lindsay Marchant um 1089 Linda Lane

1:22:23 thank you city council and mayor Ben Gordon for giving your time to serve Springfield it seems the city's 34 Acres off Linda Lane purchased for the purpose of wetland banking have been the only land considered for the Lively funds designated for low-income mobile home park for the last year in April 2022 counselor Pictionary wisely advised that the city should include local homeowners and get a feel for the potential negative impacts this could have unfortunately we were not included and instead found out less than two weeks ago that Linda Lane was a potential site by piecing together information from City Council meetings newspaper articles surveyors blocking around our private properties and some email and phone conversations over the last week City officials have been responding to homeowner inquiries with the process hasn't even begun or normal nothing formal has been presented that seems odd

1:23:10 as this potential development has been discussed has been discussed an entire year earlier at a city council work meeting it was presented by Aaron Fifield as item six the Linda Lane mobile home park and was presented as a way to use the funds representative widely secured this was in February 2022 in the same month the Register Guard ran a story on the potential site and funds and include and actually named Linda Lane so does this mean that we are early in the process oh I forgot one spot These funds need to be awarded by June 30th 2023 if I understand right so I'm wondering if we're early or if the city's late and it seems like it's rushing things through we're disappointed in the lack of transparency and by we I mean every homeowner on Linda Lane and the combined efforts of the majority of homeowners in the neighboring 57th Street Jasper Meadows

1:23:55 and Pinehurst neighborhoods in only four days we acquired more than 150 signatures of homeowners opposed to the plan that we are early for kzi ran an article today talking about the Linda Lane site Terry McDonald the director of St Vincent de Paul was quoted as saying to get this kind of price point from the City of Springfield at a dramatically lower price I think is important for the community talking about the Linda Lane property if this isn't if this isn't in the works can someone please let me know how Mr McDonald knows the price point for the property he'll be buying the 34-acre property was initially listed for over a million dollars before decreasing substantially by the time the city purchased it in 2021 for only four hundred and fifty thousand I talked to the seller last week he said there was interest early on by by St Vincent de Paul and other single-family home

1:24:40 developers but interest waned when developers understood the enormous costs associated with the development because of the city requirement that they gain a second access route a second access is made nearly impossible by the extensive Wetlands these high value wetlands are spread from the Northeast side of the property diagonally across to the southwest and Lead directly to the Willamette River how does the city plan to protect those high-value wetlands development of this property will be a monumentally extremely expensive undertaking and that's before you even break ground the council will also need to address the issue of fire danger significant and increased traffic the potential property loss of area homeowners as well as the cost of building a 1200 foot road down Linda Lane for just a first access to the property with current road costs the city could be spending almost a million dollars without any other infrastructure

1:25:26 each of these hurdles could be talked about extensively but I've only got three times up thank you hey Ashley hicken hey hang on if we can keep the Applause to a minimum it's going to make this go a lot smoother Ashley he can place um my name is Ashley hicken I live at 5793 Cinder Street I am currently serving as the secretary of the Jasper Meadows homeowners association I don't know how many of you have actually been out towards Linda Lane Jasper Meadows and you may not be aware of this but when the subdivision was built it should have had two access roads the first homes were put in at the Northern end of

1:26:12 the property along with our entrance and it's beautiful if you've never seen it there'll be flowers up in a few weeks at the southern end of the property there were so many Wetlands that a secondary entrance was unable to be put in the southern end of the property is covered in dry brush grass and trees the streets of our neighborhood are quite narrow and parking is only allowed on one side I often find myself pulling over towards the side so another vehicle can pass me as I'm coming in and out of the subdivision I want you to imagine for a moment that a fire has started at the southern end of our neighborhood the winds carry the fire North the residents and pets have 165 homes in Jasper Meadows along with the 18 homes on South 57th and the cul-de-sac that adjoins to it and the 10 Home Run 10 homes on Linda Lane they would all be

1:26:58 exiting to Mount Vernon Road um we've had a member of the local fire department out to look at the property as well as a 35-year veteran of the forest service both have confirmed that if a fire were to start it would literally be unstoppable and our neighborhood would be another Paradise California the fire would have to be put out by helicopter would a helicopter be able to get there in time would we even have one available or would it be fighting a wildfire somewhere else in the state anyone else like Lindsay mentioned who's looked at purchasing the land was told of the astronomical costs to develop the road to create that secondary access um when asked how the city planned to address the access road problem a committee or Community Development

1:27:44 Division employee said one possibility was that they would just put sprinklers in all of the dwellings that are proposed to be built implying that the city has no intention of creating a secondary Access Road nor do they intend to hold themselves to the same standard that other developers would be held to this is not only irresponsible but it's not an appropriate solution if the city intends to do an eminent domain through South 57th that doesn't mitigate the risk of fire danger if you intend to push a road through mineral weight and across the wetlands that doesn't mitigate the risk either because everyone ends up leaving the neighborhood to Mount Vernon Road for the city FAQ that came out Friday you anticipate 28 units per Acres on up to 27 Acres this means you would

1:28:29 have an additional 756 residents trying to evacuate onto Mount Vernon Road in case of a fire my question to you is what are you thinking what is the value of one life this would be nearly just shy of a thousand lives if there was one person in every home the loss of life would be astronomical and the city would likely be liable for not providing proper Fire Escape Routes what do you guys think about this as a council thank you hang on guys guys can you keep the Applause down please we're just we want to get through this as quickly as possible I'm not we're not trying to silence anybody which it's just sort of basic decorum please thank you Renee Ellis

1:29:24 thank you Mr Mayor and council members my name is Renee Ellis I'm a resident of the Jasper matters Third Edition I'm also a member of the MacKenzie River trust and a land Steward for one of their conservation easement properties I'm speaking tonight about that 34 Acres on Lindell adjacent to Linda Lane I'd hope that the additional information you gave us would answer questions about this but it served only to bring up more questions regarding the high value Wetlands on that site you state that the parcel of 34 Acres was purchased for banking in a wetland mitigation Bank to offset the unavoidable loss of wetlands by a sewer project as is required by state law you further say you're working with the state lands Department to place seven and a half acres of these Wetlands into a conservation easement leaving the remaining 27 acres for possible development for 28 third net acre or a minimum of 40

1:30:11 units on this map a field delineated Wetlands done by an environmental engineering from Wake there is one large Wetland a 7.04 areas Acres several other small areas totaling 6.67 acres for a total of 13.71 Acres which are all actually connected by various inflow streams what is the fate of these additional Wetland pieces are you banking this parcel only to mitigate the destruction of half the wetlands I cannot see how any development of that parcel can be accomplished without significant degradation and loss to the high value lens which is exactly what a conservation easement is supposed to prevent the necessary grading trenching filling added Hardscape the restructuring of the topography cannot possibly be accomplished without

1:30:57 significant and extremely costly efforts to guard against degrading the wetlands you claim to be preserving you cannot eliminate half of them without affecting all of them where is the enforcement and oversight going to be for this to ensure that roadblocks set up by a conservation easement and the requirements of the mitigation Bank are not simply blown through by those promoting an as yet unknown number and type of housing on that parcel it is impossible not to wonder how this Wetland can be protected and at the same time cut in half and subjected to a significant development by any of the options mentioned in your FAQ who will be on site to Monitor and prevent the inevitable detrimental effects of such construction I wanted to come here tonight as an advocate and an ally I really did but the more I find

1:31:43 out the less I can support this land is an appropriate place for development it seems holy and completely incompatible with the preservations of wetland by allowing development that will clearly impact them significantly if not over time destroy them you cannot reshape the topography pave over surrounding areas of feed and support these wetlands and say they won't be harmed you seem to have set up a serious dichotomy of Purpose with this I do hope there's transparency going forward and a sincere regard for the fate of these wetlands there aren't many left it makes it all the more important to sustain restore and protect the ones that we have thank you all right

1:32:29 I know we got a lot of cards to get through I'm going to stop here we're at our or at our 20 minutes I'm going to look for to the rest of the council well let me tell you how many cards I've got left and get ahead not him if you guys want to continue hello I'm Jerome Cortese and I live at 1839 South 57th Street and I believe that you guys have been misinformed on the facts of this Wetlands that sit here

1:33:14 and to talk about the proposal of developing I walked I bought bought my home before they even built it and what it was is I bought it and they built it out and then so what I did was I used to I walked I've been walking for 15 years in the neighborhood so I'm really well understanding all where the water flows and on the other side of Bob's drops it's called Pebble Court they built some houses in here and you have the water it runs down towards these wet wetlands and runs into the wetlands there's almost like a river running this way and you have a creek that runs in front of my property that goes down so being misinformed of all the water has to go into this Creek that comes down so when you're not informed of okay we have the we have all the water from the hill and

1:34:00 they're talking about building a school up in that area there too so that water is going to come down towards this Wetlands that are here so I have the maps here I don't know if you guys need to see it but they just made a proposal just showing that this was all buildable property and this is all buildable property off of Lynn Lane that's not true this area down here below by the park is all wetlands and if you look at this map here it shows a big area of wetlands so when you're not being informed of the truth or of the wetlands and where all the water come from so even from Linda Lane that water is going to come down and go into that crate so the more developing that you do the more runoff you're going to have so what's going to cause it's good cause a tremendous amount of flooding so what I was trying

1:34:45 to do is I was trying to make them redirect the water that goes from the the basic there's a park out that comes down this way there's like uh so what they did was they built a road in a sewer line that goes from the 57th Street and it kicks over and goes up to where you're going to connect into the uh all these houses in here and you're going to connect into the school that they're talking about building well along that pathway there's there's there's a a creek that runs down that's almost they call it Wetlands but I had to have them reinstall more pipes to go through what they had they were only going to put three pipes in in this road that they built over the top of the that Wetlands air which is kind of you know like I'll call it a creek and so what they did was I made them put seven more

1:35:31 pie so I went over there to the Housing Development I said well before you sign up on all this property you know you got to make sure that this water all flows the way it's supposed to so the more developing you do the more water is going to go into this system and the more you build out and don't allow any water to go they're just going to allow flooding so if flooding occurs it's going to come down this way you know because water goes downhill so all the water and especially in behind all this this this park and this development here on the other side of Bob's Rob all this water here is going to come down this way so all the water that comes down floods us out so I just thought I'd let you guys know that the flooding is a big problem and I hope you guys address that

1:36:17 thank you uh Barbara Bond Barbara Bond either I am Barbara Von diether and I live at 5786 Cinder Street I am the President of the Jasper Meadows homeowners association you met Rusty Rusty's the president of the Pinehurst HOA and you heard from Lindsay Lindsay is is representing the homeowners on Linda Lane between us we bring to you tonight the observations of 247 homeowners

1:37:04 homeowners who live adjacent to this property less than a tenth of a mile from this property and we're concerned we haven't seen all of these details yet mayor we thank you very much for the summary that you gave us on Friday that's the first we knew of it of any detail that was going on and we only found out 10 days ago about this so we're grateful for that it's a very good summer the summary that you gave us and while I was looking around for a way to talk about this I came across a um what's called a common law principle and it's supported by case law and it says that every homeowner is

1:37:50 entitled to object to a public or private nuisance that interferes with the quiet enjoyment of property what is the quiet enjoyment of property well our wetlands are part of it we love walking our dogs there in a warm summer night we can walk out our door any of us 247 people and we can hear the frogs in those Wetlands talking to each other it is Charming we can one day take our kids and say hey go on down to the park I'll be there in a minute yes why they're safe completely safe or there's the morning that we came in and we left some tools

1:38:38 in the back of our pickup truck the next morning we get up and eat breakfast and realize oh my gosh I left the tools in the back of my pickup truck when we go outside and they're still there the quiet enjoyment of our property now we've been talking about homeowners here and I looked up those four pages Mr Mayor that you gave to us on Friday loaded with detail I read every word the word homeowner is not there the word resident is there but I'm representing homeowners homeowners who vote and on homeowners who pay taxes

1:39:23 you're here you're spending the money that you'll collect from us and so when I talk about the enjoyment of our property would you move next to this proposed trailer park we've heard various topics numbers of trailers whatever they're going to do right I'm I'm done I think I may I think I made my three three minutes goes through it goes really quick thank you very much uh Barry please Barry Barrow uh 951 South 55th Street Springfield in the Pinehurst HOA

1:40:11 um I've noticed in today's world is that there is such a dichotomy of Interest and I don't envy any of you having to listen to all the different differences and then try and figure out what's the best thing to do um yes there's laws out there that you have to follow and sometimes I wonder how you can follow them when it's hard to know all the laws that continue to be enacted my heart goes out to homeless people some of them might be that way of choice some of them they lost their job during a downturn in the economy um it's uh I don't know how I would vote

1:40:56 because there's so many different special interests that have even been presented a different Viewpoint of why it's important from Wetlands to Community safety to you know a myriad of things and uh any one of us it's easy to vote if we take a look at the things that are most important to us but I have to remember the things that are most important to me may not be important to someone else and it's even harder if you don't even live in that type area my house faces uh

1:41:42 East so we have the power lines going right through there a place that I never thought I'd live close to and uh once all the trees were cut down there I thought man I'm never going to live there and yet I do and we have that row of trees where homeless people have set up tents uh started fires and and all of that stuff and uh but then again I'm glad I don't live in Portland where where all that that went on and so I don't know what the answer is I don't envy you I hope all of us can understand it's not an easy decision hopefully everything is transparent and everything is looked at and things don't get rushed into and um I'll save 43 seconds for other people to

1:42:27 clap some other time thanks Barry uh Jason profit hey thanks for let me come down uh 657 Quarry Road up here underneath the water tower so I'm going to bring everything back to this end of the town and down here at our Museum ready and for some reason there's not a plaque uh Mark and our our namesake for the town the Museum's asking for the history marker here on B Street I think certain B my other issue is the little Fast and Furious cars that we've talked about the noise people are talking about listening to the frogs

1:43:12 I have the same wetlands so I my resolve to the noise and the speed in town is to shift the traffic police from four o'clock to 10 o'clock now I know there's probably some Union rules these guys have to follow if we can double up three weeks Thursday Friday Saturday uh in the evening and get these little cars shut down it's not all the little Fast and Furious cars it's I can hear a lot of pickups unmuffled pickup I come across 105 today it's 68 miles an hour and people are passing me at 80 going east so we gotta get the traffic and the noise and the speed slow down

1:43:57 so again I think thanks for your time try to get the museum there black we'll get on it thank you I do not have any other cards Neil do you have anybody online just give them a moment but I don't see any hands at this time okay so we're gonna we got a couple issues here so just um and somebody from the PD maybe talked to Mr profit about his I idea since we've got a couple a couple of folks here um about his Patrol idea and before I open this up for Council response um maybe we can have somebody maybe we can have Jeff come up and give us a summary about where we are with the Linda Lane um I know there was reference to the FAQs a couple of times if you have not

1:44:43 seen them I believe there are over on that table over there so Jeff could you just maybe give us a brief update about where we're at yeah thank you mayor uh Pascal community development director um I think really the FAQ lines it out pretty well I mean just the history and everything of how we got here the fact that we were moving forward with Jasper phase three which is to open up the rest of Jasper Natron for for urban level development the rest of the urban growth boundary we got stuck because we had Wetlands that we were going to impact with that sewer project those Wetlands weren't available in the local Wetland Bank this property happens to have the right amount of wetlands to move that project forward to put into a concert conservation easement

1:45:29 um so that's where we're at we're currently getting the conservation easement figured out that size of it it's got to be buffered and then the next step was and when we talked to council about even buying the property we heard from Council well we don't need all 34 Acres we want to make sure that we figure out what we can do with that property to as Surplus and where we go with that we're really kind of not even at the first step which is annexing it to start figuring that out so we just initiated annexation um well not really initiated we had our development issues meeting which discussed the what what would be the requirements of annexing that property the next step after that would be a conversation with Council regarding how

1:46:15 do we what part portions of the property are left to develop and then how do we do that partitioning subdividing what comes next following annexation go ahead okay so there is no promises made to Saint Vincent de Paul's yet correct correct we don't have we some of the questions we're getting are like what ifs what would and we don't have a development proposal I'm just trying to dispel some of the folks and I and I you folk no I mean I I hear you every one of you I understand every one of you you're concerned um but I I also want to know that that I'm not unique I think everybody here on

1:47:02 Council wants to definitely hear every single thing about this we haven't committed anything we haven't under ahead on anything so it's take a breath Don't Panic we're here and we're listening okay really yeah I heard it's my promise to you thank you Council I heard a couple things we haven't even talked about price we don't even know how much acreage is left to be developed we know that the the conservation easement is going to be around probably 11 acres looking at the shape what's left where are the other Wetlands because we do have all of the wetlands delineated we have that map we've surveyed the property and so we we haven't that's kind of that piece first annexation then figure out what's left come to the council have that conversation about

1:47:48 what's left how could it be developed or in the cities not really in the business of developing it's how can we find the Surplus property and what do we do next with that piece of property um the other reason for annexation you know we've heard different areas is protection of that fire protection police protection you know we have to protect those Wetlands so we got if there's camping or something else like that going on in there it's it's easier if it's inside the city limits because then we can rely on our own Police Department rather than the county sheriff and and so what you're saying and what I'm hearing is that this is baby steps and we're going to look at each step very carefully before any decision is made yeah we're even at baby steps with

1:48:33 staff like I said we just had our development issues meeting and talked about what the requirements would would be for annexation and we don't even know which way they're going to go at this point we don't know what's going to be required of us what's going to be needed who's going to do what we're not there yet Victoria so I want to say thank you to all of you and for those of you that live west of Bob Straub I believe you are my people um so I am Ward 5 counselor and I want you to know that I understand I get where your um as infancy is in your lack of trust and I want you to know that I hear you and I want to be a voice for you I have cards here I want to give you it has my phone number on it and I want to

1:49:18 be in touch with you and I promise you that I will stay in touch with you and keep you informed along the way as much as I possibly can so that there's transparency I I promise you that right here in front of everybody but I'm gonna hold you and he's next door and six so all right Jeff um come back I got a couple more questions don't worry we're as soon as we're done asking questions we're going to ask Jeff to uh meet with you guys outside and if anybody wants to hang around and ask a couple more a couple more questions I would encourage you guys to read the FAQs um it sounds like some of you guys have um so could you comment to the house bill that there is referred to like the

1:50:04 the John the representative Lively the money that came from 2018 is that linked to Linda Lane at all I mean yeah no it's not linked and I think there is also Americans speak to the June 30th but I think there is some misconception on what that June 30th meant the council already took action so that's there isn't like a looming deadline okay so um Can somebody speak to the question about that that was the other question that I heard sort of consistently it's like well what's happening with this with the 630 uh deadline I'll let Aaron because she knows that I'll just mess it up oh calling in the big guns Aaron Fifield um the 6 30 deadline was for Oregon

1:50:50 Housing and Community Services to award those funds so in the fall Council gave direction to Nancy Newton to sign an IGA with ohgs that said we were committed to awarding those funds to St Vinnie's for a new manufactured home park in Springfield there's no location tied to that award just recognizing the need for affordable housing in this community so the June 30th deadline was for ohcs to award those funds and in signing that IGA and sending that money to the City of Springfield they met that deadline okay thank you um and then last question Jeff is when you when you think about like right now we're working on the wetlands and we're working on annexing it from a staff

1:51:35 perspective when you know when roughly would be the first conversation for Council about what we would do with the developable land the council could have those conversations when we bring you know once we have the mapping done I'm thinking fall maybe we're having those conversations before any sort of partition or subdivision and I use those so I think subdivision everybody thinks it could be like the Jasper Meadows when I so Under Oregon state law you can only partition into three parcels and so depending on how the wetlands the reason I use subdivision is we may have to call it a subdivision if say there's five parcels and they're not really connected depending on how we do that and so we wouldn't be going and doing a sub a city

1:52:22 subdivision of 3 000 square foot lots I'm mostly looking at this of of the efficiency of what size Lots the one benefit for the city having control of the lot right now is is we did hear a lot of conversation about needs for secondary access for protection fire protection and just traffic in general that has been one of the Hang-Ups with this lot and also not being able to ensure if if another developer had that so the council will also have that opportunity when we bring that mapping if we continue if the council chooses to continue moving forward with the process of entitling those right-of-ways already ensuring that whether the road gets built when they sell that lot that road will

1:53:09 get built where we want it to get built okay um any other questions so I'm gonna ask Jeff and maybe if you know and any other staff folks that have information uh if somebody wants to hang out you know in the in the hallway and chat and ask some questions of Jeff um that would be a good opportunity to connect with him and exchange information Jerome I know you've got big you know you've got a lot of information about where the wetlands are and some that's the guy to give it to so thank you Jeff is there any other Council response to other items Corey broadly oh um so I want to thank everyone who came and shared tonight on all of the topics

1:53:55 and I know we all received a lot of emails I've been in many conversations the past couple weeks people have found me in all sorts of places to talk about the things and zombie there's this overarching theme of Who belongs in Springfield who gets to decide who belongs to Springfield from the anti-semitic and hate activity out in Thurston to um Bernice pogue's interaction with the police and these ideas of um who our neighbors are and this has been sitting really heavily with me because we say and I was there for the state of the city where the mayor said you know this is a city of opportunity

1:54:42 you belong here your families belong here and I think that in order for us to make that happen we have to take a beat and really think about you know are we willing to make room and to adjust how we do things so that everyone gets to feel safe and everyone gets to feel like they belong I looked at the the um the artwork by the children and it was you know the theme was find your voice and you're gonna see lots of rainbows which I'm here for those rainbows and these kiddos talking about finding their place finding their voice and to me that is the future of Springfield and so this has been the the what's been weighing with me is like

1:55:27 how do we how do we make room and how do we separate land from people and how do we separate streets from people so I just wanted to just share that with you all that I think that if we're if we're going to be a town of opportunity and if we're going to want businesses to want to locate here we're going to want people to want to move here we're gonna have to really think about how welcome we are and whether or not we people really do feel like they belong and everyone feels like they belong thank you foreign thank you very much next item please mayor the next item is a resolutions uh you have one resolution resolution of

1:56:13 necessity for the Jasper trunk sanitary sewer extension phase three uh that's e21065 this is resolution number two a resolution exercising the power of eminent domain and authorizing a resolution pursuant to ors223.005 ors223.105 and rs35.600-625 concerning acquisition of easements and or right-of-way necessary for Jasper trunk sanitary sewer extension phase 3 project p21065 and Jesse Jones Is Here virtually for the staff report okay just hang on Jesse we got we got folks that are uh that are exiting since they've met their one item and we'll get back to you

1:57:21 all right Jesse you are up all right thank you uh good evening counselors uh my name is Jesse Jones I'm a civil engineer in the Department of Public Works and I'm the project manager for the Jasper trunk sewer extension project that was referenced just now um we're here tonight to to quickly discuss this resolution of necessity and I wanted to show you a map of the city map to get you oriented here so I will um PJ is it possible to get screen sharing all right thank you okay yeah got it okay so um this map on the left shows Springfield and what we're talking about the Jasper trunk sewer uh is down here in southeast Springfield so if we look

1:58:07 over on the other map here um this is uh Bob straw Parkway down here this is the Jasper Meadows subdivision uh up here and this is Mountain Gate over there in the upper right corner uh this The Jasper trunk sewer project is a multi-phase project we've constructed the first two phases I started at the 42nd and Jasper roundabout and has come east following the Jasper Road alignment and right now we're working on the third phase and that starts here um just south of Mount Vernon this is the Linda Lane property for reference right here right next to us um and this is the project um The Jasper trunk server project is the project that's benefiting from the conservation easement uh that's

1:58:52 referenced on Linda Lane there um so as part of this project the trunks who are coming down Jasper Road here and we're crossing uh Bob Straub Parkway and terminating at the uh brand s the former brand s Mill site and this is uh opening that area up for um uh future development which was referenced earlier as well um so as part of this project we need um to acquire easements across the these five Parcels here these kind of five larger Parcels across here um these are two types of easements that we're looking for um the first is permanent easements and those easements will allow us to maintain and access the sewer line once it's constructed um the other type of easement is called a temporary construction easement and those easements are uh they give us more

1:59:39 room to work while we're actually doing the construction and then once uh the construction is complete those easements get extinguished or end uh so these types of easements are considered partial takes and what that it still allows the property owner to retain some rights of use for the property in the future it's not considered a full take like such as right-of-way there are no existing businesses or buildings that will be affected by this easement acquisition so the resolution of necessity is a kind of a formality it allows us to start the easement acquisition and negotiation process you may have seen these resolutions of necessity in the past they were they're required when there's a federal fund

2:00:24 component for projects the city attorneys recently advised us that we need to use these resolutions of necessity for all of our easements going forward regardless of the funding sources so with that I'd like to answer any questions that you have thank you hang on one second Mary Bridget could you help give us a little bit more context here to your advice sure and then we'll go to we'll go to the gym so a resolution of necessity is the first step in a potential um eminent domain or condemnation action it doesn't mean a lawsuit would be filed it is the first step and allows the government then to negotiate with um the property owner in this case is for an

2:01:09 easement for the sewer project and um it is subject to state law and the process so we have asked for capital projects in addition to larger projects even smaller projects that staff come through with the resolution of necessity so they don't have to go back and start over if they do get into a place where they can't negotiate with a property owner that they just take care of this ahead of time so really that's what we're doing today and then the project can move forward for them to try and acquire the easement or the temporary construction easement which allows them to access the property during construction of the project jump so I just wanted to ask if the uh oh there he is um so you're talking about allowing the

2:01:56 home I mean the property owner to regain access to that property or are they I mean how much are they losing access or is it just a temporary thing and if they're losing access how much are they losing yeah um I can answer that so there's there's two things happening uh um a temporary construction easement is just that temporary like they would allow us to use more of their property to construct it and then equipment property sorry because I feel like moving equipment and whatnot yeah yeah a little bit extra space because it's a it's a 5 000 foot long project and a narrow Corridor so it just allows us to get equipment back and forth um the permanent easement how these have worked in the past on other phases of Jasper trunk um we're left with an access road so this easement's about 20 feet wide um you know 20 to 30 feet wide and over

2:02:41 the length of the project um they are still allowed to they still own the property um but the easement allows us to access it and maintain it so we use our sewer our Vector trucks go in and clean the manholes and clean the lines out um easements uh it each type of easement is subject to a different restriction um they couldn't build a house on this easement but they could they could use it potentially it could be used to uh satisfy some of their Landscaping square footage requirements on their parcel so it's considered it does limit their they don't have full use of the property but they do retain some rights and it's very specific to the type of easement or the type of use so basically no structures no permit structures and they

2:03:27 allow access for whatever reason whether it be agricultural or cosmetic but it's but they don't actually just like lose the ability to use their land correct yeah okay thank you any other questions Victoria so are we doing it this way rather than putting it in the road on our own um in right of way because it's easier because an easement means that they I mean they have their property but let's face it they they're still paying taxes on it but they can't like build anything they they lose in a sense the use of that that's correct their use is limited um we've done extensive studies about how to route the sewer line through this

2:04:13 area um and it's it's not feasible the railroad tracks block um it's it's more expensive and very difficult to to go underneath like we'd have to crisscross and go underneath the railroad tracks and then back under the railroad tracks and in the middle of Jasper road which would be and this is very deep line so we'd basically be removing Jasper road to put the sewer line in and then replacing Jasper Road and then having to still go under the railroad tracks gotcha um in this particular case too these Property Owners um they can't develop their property unless the sewer line goes in and so this they they're in favor of it they're in favor of the development because that's what I wanted to know so there they you've got the pulse of those people they know what you're you're considering correct absolutely I hear the word eminent domain and the hair on

2:04:58 the back of my neck just stands up yep that's why we're here tonight so okay yeah thank you any other questions you're up I'd like to make a motion to adopt resolution number two second you know could you call the vote please yes counselor Weber yes councilor Mo yes councilor Bradley yes councilor Doyle yes and counselor Pictionary yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero no next item please the next item is under business from the city council this is the ward for city council resignation resignation acceptance and interim Council appointment process discussion um and Mary Bridget here Smith is here

2:05:43 for the staff report good evening and mayor and Council I'm here today I'm Neil ladati and I are working on the project for um the council vacancy and the process for appointing the interim counselor for Ward four so this evening there are two items before the council tonight one is a um more of a formality but it's to officially accept uh Council stairs resignation which was the attachment in your packet so I will be asking for a vote um to accept that resignation and then hoping to get some feedback from the council about the process for uh appointing the interim counselor with the idea that we'll come back to you at the February 21st meeting to have a public hearing on that process and have

2:06:28 the council formally adopt it so we can and open the applications and move that forward so if you wouldn't mind just handling the acceptance of the resignation with a motion and a vote and then we can jump um Mary Bridget if we vote no does he have to come back yeah but we have to go find him I like to make a motion to accept the resignation of Leonard steer as Ward 4 City councilor and find a position vacant provide guidance on the process for appointing an interim city counselor necessitated by the vacancy yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero knows great so um

2:07:13 if we could just take a few minutes to talk a little bit about the process the last interim counselor was counselor Pitts for Ward one that process took about 60 days when the council did that before so I thought what we could do is just kind of using that as our basis go through sort of chronologically the steps and you can give me some feedback and then we'll have something more um formal for you at the next meeting so um obviously it starts with the application let us like I said last time I was open 30 days just wanting to make sure that you think that's an acceptable amount of time to have enough time to advertise it out to the community get people to be able to turn their applications in and um then you would be able to have time to evaluate it after does that sound okay

2:07:58 all right yes I'm seeing head nods okay and then the format um it's been a written application then it's the same application for everybody you can get it through the city manager's office or our website it was based similarly to um like a council committee application so it has questions like um you know why do you want to be an interim counselor your qualifications and what your priorities and also some information about the time commitment because as you know the counselor time commitment can be is uh you know no thanks sorry any input on the application um and I know that we haven't brought this we haven't had this conversation Council wide again yet um but I'm just I'm thinking to some of the feedback we had from counselor Pitts

2:08:43 and that process and just ways to make it very clear what is all the ways it is permissible so if we are going to accept resumes if people all of those things that if you were someone who didn't have access to the political process and didn't know well I'm going to have meetings with people and I'm going to do all this stuff that if there is some way that we can include information or exclude information to make it more Equitable so it's not like somebody gives us a big fat packet and people think that's great and somebody who doesn't does know just answers the questions within the thing which was part of you know counselor pitts's response so if there's a way to say you know what whatever like yes we will

2:09:29 feel free to attach a resume or these things I think it would be just whatever we can do to make it really clear to clarify whether people should can do that or cannot do that right and is there any feelings on the council either way do you have a strong feeling either way you know sometimes we will on like requests for proposals or job applications be like this is you know application like don't go beyond here and often in these um interim counsel roles sometimes people will you know they'll like you said they'll test their resume or all kinds of stuff that's not really applicable to the application but is more information about the person so um counselor Pitts feeling was is that was um unfair because there would be one person might have a whole lot of information submitted another person followed the directions of the

2:10:14 application and submitted less so we could definitely put something on the application it says 60 application or please add more that clarification any thoughts yeah because the cover letter kind of cover lights here you're why you're interested in the position is it a cover letter would help you like highlight your your reasons for wanting to apply and why you think you'd be good at the job right not I mean your resume is great but it's just sort of like what you've done but like actually get a chance to tell you know to tell the council why okay Joe so those application questions were put together for a reason to try to determine whether or not a person is is most applicable or most qualified so however

2:11:01 we're going to put it I don't care as long as those basic questions where I can look at that and and get a basic picture of of who I'm looking at okay so I don't care where the format but I would like to make make sure we have all the information and not a fourth of it okay so same questions from each person and adequate enough to make your decision yeah so questions like your um why do you want why do you want to do this what are your qualifications what are your priorities do you understand the time constraints yeah as long as you get the basics I don't care how it gets to us yeah okay for me so I I think we do we have work session time are you going to write this up and bring it back to I'm going to bring it back to you though for a public hearing okay regular session yeah so could there be those questions plus a cover letter

2:11:47 that would be one yeah I would be fine with that does that sound good and then be specific on the application like this is your chance yeah okay got it okay okay and then we will include that in the next packet so you can get an idea of how that will look all right and then um once the applications are in then um what you did last time and I would recommend that you do this again is you have work session time to evaluate the applications determine at that point uh you know who because most likely the step after that are in our interviews um in-person interviews so depending on the number of applications you may decide we'll interview everybody or we'll just interview a few people or we'll leave it open maybe to have more applicants kind of depending but it's a nice kind of check-in Point decision point about what you're going to do next does that sound

2:12:33 like a okay okay all right and then in-person interviews for applicable candidates at that point Joe so we don't know how many people are going to be interested I don't know if we have that many crazy people in town um but if we get a a plethora of bunch it would be nice to be able to have some sort of scoring system to where we can move people forward some sort of objective scoring system system of some sort that you know if we get 40 folks I'm not interested in interviewing for you folks last time you had I believe eight people I don't think you interviewed everybody I think you sorted those out but it's hard to know what that criteria is remember the system we used yeah actually I remember us

2:13:18 interviewing did you interviewed all eight right okay we did yep so I would think we would have you know work session time the first I don't know Monday afternoon in April yes that's when that's would be the next potentially available time and then and then we can yeah then we can kind of you know scope out depending on how many uh how many applications we have Corey I have a very merry Bridget question oh gosh okay so um on the other the flip side of it let's say we hit two people and it just if we don't feel like like do we have to choose one of those people or could we we go out for a repost or keep it open or you can go back out or you can keep it open okay our Charter our code does not have a timer requirement like some places will have a Time requirement or

2:14:03 you have to go into a special election we do not have them so that's a good check-in point to determine whether oh okay hey maybe we need to get more out to the community so folks know this is open or yeah we're happy you know we got a good number of folks Could you actually make that clear in the process documents so we have it okay good definitely yeah okay and that was my next point so timing so I think that um what the work of the city manager's office for the schedule but potentially in April would be when you would be able to come back and see how many applications you got and what you want to do from there the interview questions then we have a set of 10 interview questions we can bring to that April meeting and you can determine do you still want to use those or use different ones or how you want to work that so that could happen there if

2:14:48 that works just a note you do have budget committee meetings in April starting April 25th just in terms of timing if you're thinking you want to have special meetings or not have special meetings you're going to be meeting a lot in April so something to keep in mind for schedule um and then the voting we can I don't think I would have a specific process for voting but that it is vote by majority and really kind of depends how many people you have at that point how you narrow it down but we can deal with that then um and then public engagement already talking with City manager's office about ways to engage folks in Ward 4 to let them know that this is out there um and um try and get applicants interested people So based on this schedule there would be

2:15:33 we're running a real risk that this person will be joining budget committee that's already in flight potentially but last time I mean if you're going in April let's say you do get into that April 3rd meeting you'll have that work session then you need to schedule the interviews at other meetings I'm I'm guessing it's going to be into May would be my thought but I'm hoping to work with the city manager's office on Friday for the schedule okay perfect are there any other questions okay so we'll come back to you in February with a process that people can react to in a public hearing it will have some flexibility depending on number of applicants and kind of checkpoints for the council at the time and then the application uh will be in that packet as well great okay thank you all right

2:16:18 thank you next item any other business from the city council well go ahead is this the part where we talk about when we went to meetings and stuff yes but don't don't get that far okay what Mary Bridget come back yeah okay she didn't see the cue for business for the council Mary Bridget has the first item um I'd like to um talk to the council about the letter from epud that you received on February 1st and then I had sent you a memo about a potential response to that um so eweb sent the council and the sub board a letter on February 1st and asked

2:17:03 for a specific response in your rules there are ways that the council can respond to a letter um it goes to a gender review initially um so we had time on Friday to discuss it just with a draft um didn't make any comments about the draft but just be able to move it forward to you all and then you can discuss that draft here and then vote potentially if you'd like to amend that letter send that letter send no letter have discussion about it whatever you would like to do I do have hard copies here I have a couple hard copies of the epod letter and then I have hard copies of the draft letter if anybody needs good okay the letter really essentially says this is not our place to make a comment about

2:17:48 whether it would be appealed or not or a separate body we appreciate that we're both you know that Subs created on the charter and that may be confusing but that's not how we see it and um we can't comment on whether sub will appeal or not so any discussion or amendments to the letter I'm happy to hear it Corey thank you did you have your hand up first okay because I don't want to be a big hug um one I want to just say that the letter as far as I'm concerned just find as is secondly just in a space I want to say how much I appreciate all of the time that staff has spent in the reaction to this um especially like in the moment because I was I think I was the I was the canary

2:18:34 in the coal mine on that because it came up in a meeting and I was like what happened here I you know so I just want you all to hear that I appreciate the immediacy and the professionalism and all of the time it is taking Springfield City staff to respond to something that we are not responding to so thank you any other questions Steve I was a question but I have a comment sure that is about uh the pro having the control of electricity inside the urban growth boundary or city limits I don't think that should happen because how do we plan for the city how do we plan for growth how to repent for growth in that area and and uh

2:19:19 another example how that happened before Glenwood when it went from Eugene to Springfield Urban growth boundary eweb just signed off became some just like a no no controversy at all very simple could be able to happen this way all right Joe I like the letter as it is and I would like to go ahead and weigh in on wanting to move that forward please thank you so if we could do a motion and a vote and then we can get this out the door I'd like to make a motion to have the letter as drafted sent on behalf of the city to epood Second all right call the vote please

2:20:09 yes thank you all right but the motion passes five yeses zero knows and I will just note that I have both expressed my deep frustration with both bodies about how we're getting dragged into this great thank you all right Victoria okay I'll make it quick because we all want to go home I went to the historic Commission meeting and I would when I first got assigned this I was like what am I gonna I don't know anything about this historic commission and a really neat group of people they've had a lot of turn a lot of turnover recently but I actually ended up meeting with Christine Beau whose um works with a llama Lane and she's the chairperson or the president and um kind of got a feel for what they're doing and stuff and one of the things one of the projects that's on there

2:20:54 um their radar is to try to do an inventory of all of the pro the land that's within like the Washburn District historic right and to try to get kind of a feel for that and the one thing that was um was wild was that they were doing it on this like hair pin budget like their budget to me just was so fine and they were trying to pull like a hundred dollars here and 500 there and so um when I talked to her I'm like what that guy how do you guys do this on that little bit of money and she was like are you kidding me that was like five thousand dollars more than we've gotten years before it was like more money than we're used to um but they have said that they want to come before the council because it's been a while and talk about what they do and um and kind of what they're involved in and I think it'd be really cool to

2:21:39 support that so anyway all right thank you um and I know we're always working on getting bodies on their yeah on a regular joint hearings the one item I did have um we we did not have this lady um join us um but we I am going to send a letter to a lady in Thurston who was one of the folks that went out and picked up that anti-semitic literature and just thank her on behalf of that on behalf of the community um and just tell her like really you know it you it's terrible that this this happened and it's not what we expected but I really was impressed with how well Thurston responded to it and there were a lot of people out there essentially just picking it up trying to get it out

2:22:24 of the way and working with the PD to find out who did it all right Joe no I'm ready to roll oh well we don't even need emotion that's why all right next item please next item is business from the city manager item number one is the home application Springfield departments and Aaron Fifield is here for the staff report good evening mayor council but tonight I'm here with a proposal for the use of federal home funds for a new 39 unit affordable housing development around 16th and Q Street in Springfield as you may know Springfield and Eugene receive an annual allocation of federal

2:23:09 home funds in order to increase the supply of affordable housing as a Consortium Eugene and Springfield puts out an annual request for proposals in the fall this past year Springfield received one proposal for home funds from Cornerstone Community Housing this is a local affordable housing developer been in town for over 30 years they are proposing developing a courtyard housing project with a mix of Studio one and two bedroom units for a households earning less than 60 percent area median income aiming to house seniors and those with disabilities the project 16th and Q is on public transit near a grocery store and the proposal includes providing resident services to those households focusing on economic stability

2:23:54 self-sufficiency and Health and Wellness the total development cost for this proposal is about 12 million dollars Cornerstone is requesting just over two million dollars in home funds about 17 of the total project cost as part of our process for the RFP uh an evaluation committee met in December to discuss this proposal the Springfield proposal scored high in all six categories that summary is laid out in your packet with the evaluation committee making a recommendation for funding so next steps was to bring the proposal to this Council get your feedback on it and then ultimately the decision will be made at the home Consortium government governing body to

2:24:39 determine whether or not to move forward in award home funds and I'll note that Darcy Phillips is also here tonight executive director of Cornerstone Community Housing if there are any specific questions about the proposal are there any questions Corey there's no questions but um I know I've had a lot to say today because we had a lot going on so I was part of the scoring committee for this as like I wish that's why Aaron was pointing at me and was also have been very invested as some folks know in developing that area for it in on Q Street and 16th is so ideal for this project it's not necessarily near schools but it is near amenities that would be great for folks who are older or who have disabilities and so I am extremely excited I know that all the

2:25:26 funding hasn't all come together but it is movement in an area that we've been trying to move for a while so um I am very excited about it so if you all voted down I will be very crappy don't get too far ahead of yourself you know like I'm going to put you on pause I know you're you're done for a second so this piece this conversation started I think Darcy and I were talking about it today probably in 2017 um you know like looking at a piece of property that was in public hands uh that it was a great development site and I just want to thank Cornerstone for continuing to stick with this because this is not the the path that we actually thought this was going to take um and I want to know that there is public land that is owned by team

2:26:13 Springfield members in that vicinity that would make a great face too and we should strongly encourage our Springfield Utility Board Partners to find a way to release that land so that we can build housing considering that there's no infrastructure on that piece of land um with that being said I'm going to unpause Joe I'm surprised that worked I am too I can make a motion to approve the use of federal home phone funds for con Cornerstone Community Housing proposal for construction of 39 new homes and common area at 1875 16th Street and Springfield second all right Neil could you call the vote Yes council member yes councilor Mo yes councilor Bradley yes cancer Doyle

2:26:59 absolutely and councilman yeah uh four yeses one absolutely and no no so motion passes next item please any other business from the city manager uh yes I do I know it's late and you're all are tired and I'm not feeling well either which is why I'm wearing this mask but I I do want to comment about tonight's business from the audience and the powerful words from Margot help hand um from the Jewish Federation of Lane County and I was very moved by what she said I was very moved by the actions of the Thurston residents who went out and picked up that horrible hate speech and

2:27:45 I just want to thank her for her words and let her know that I stand with her I stand with our Jewish community and I want to make it very clear that hate speech and anti-Semitism is not welcome in the City of Springfield Oregon thank you next item please any uh Business from The City attorney no no additional business tonight thank you