Springfield City Council — April 17, 2023

0:09 great running because we didn't get them nice I'm gonna call the regular session Springfield uh sorry man Gordon here Chancellor Weber here counselor Doyle here in Council of missionary yes thank you right we have two items for the work session tonight the University of the interim or Council interviews and deliberation and appointment great thank you thank you may hearing Council um we have kind of an exciting night tonight so the council is going to conduct interviews during the work session

0:54 um and if time allows start the liberations and then you can resume deliberation during the regular meeting I want to be facilitating tonight at just a quick note to Mary Bridget Smith for getting us to this point uh we have three candidates for your interviews all three candidates are here um I will go out and bring in each candidate one at a time for you to be your interviews the way they're set up currently is CJ Mann will be your first interview at Blackwell would be your second and then judicial will be your third interview you have assessment forms you should have assessment forms in front of you and each question is labeled your name the question that you're able to ask um and then unless you have any questions we can get Rollins and we consider

1:40 asking your questions are there any process questions uh when they said I will welcome them and and then I will turn it over to Michelle for the first question right so I will go get CJ man they will have a copy of the questions here outstanding are we just introducing ourselves when we ask our questions

2:25 it makes sense and everybody saw that it was board order yes or frozen interview like one night of like three hours hello TJ hi how's it going good how are you hanging in there well okay welcome

3:12 thank you um the plan is we're gonna go around and ask a couple of questions I'm Sean by the way yeah um and then people will introduce themselves as they go we've got about 10 maybe 12 minutes for this interview so I'll have to talk fast I have a little birdie that's perfect Michelle ready okay hi CJ I'm Michelle Weber counselor for Ward one okay and I get to ask the first question so um question number one what do you like best about Springfield and why okay um I I have them written act as my nurse just hit me so much um I like that we try and not distinguish ourselves as Eugene

3:57 and I want to continue to live in a community that is welcoming to all I appreciate the efforts that have been made to frame our future in a way that shows we understand and care about the needs of a variety of cultures and communities that now live work and play in our town I have seen improvements and there were these relationships and will wholeheartedly support the continuing efforts at inclusion equity and diversity I want to provide services that make people feel safe in their homes their neighborhoods and their town thank you number two the single City councilor this is my question is there some things in Springfield or prevented to do whether it be you add eliminate or

4:42 change anything what would those people I would like to add I would love to see the types of services that Cahoots provides expanded to include more mental health modalities increase their presence among the unhoused and to increase the number of personnel and vehicles in the program change I will work to change how we seed homelessness with the pending changes to the campaign ordinance and in general Public's perception that the need for temporary shelters are only for the visibly unhoused living on the streets it is time to invest in their needs but also in the needs of other types of unhoused people there are thousands of families that are doubling and even tripling up pushing the boundaries of occupancy standards as

5:27 a way to keep their loved ones off the Stream though I am personally personally supportive of multi-generational living situations this Arrangement can be taxing though thousands of families stuck in toxic and abusive situations where the lack of affordable housing is a barrier to their escape investigate I would be interested in having conversations with partners and exploring other policing models adding more traffic patrols and a variety of types of community policing okay I'm Corey rodley 4-3 okay counselors are elected city-wide rather than by Ward what advantages and or disadvantages do you see with that

6:13 process and I see that this is still a topic of conversation when I ran against Dave Ralston in 2012. it was one of the back burner issues facing the council even then I've lived in the board for over 30 years I know my neighbors I raised a family with grandchildren included at Maple Springfield middle and Springville High my mechanic of 25 years at my insurance broker of 30 years are only a mile from my house my Park Pool and recreational facilities are all within three miles of my house I love that I am local and that I spend my time and money in the neighborhood I love granted we all have things in common and I trust that we all care about streets sidewalks sewers storm drains speed limits and safety I got stuck in the

6:58 letter s I guess all of our Awards have an aspect of uniqueness and our neighbors have specific concerns my word is a mixture of commercial industrial retail and residential major highways with exits at Mohawk and 42nd and Main Street cuts through our residential sectors adding to the challenges we face in trying to stay friendly I've lived in Ward one possibly weren't two three and five as well congrats looked up the two boundaries um and I can see that those experiences will help me understand city-wide issues

7:54 I'm Victoria Doyle I'm one of the new counselors I represent Ward five if I Ann my question for you I got a long one you did since there's six city council positions what do you believe are the advantages and disadvantage of collective decision making and shared leadership um a city council survives and thrives on collaboration cooperation and Community Partnerships having to balance varying opinions diverse concerns and mutual interests help us make the hard choices in policies once those difficult conversations are had and the decisions are made We Are One Voice representing the city council to the public as a unified front allows our neighbors to believe we have made decisions that benefit as many people as

8:40 we could while not harming the minority the job as a public figure is dicey at best and having others in the same boat helps us with the day-to-day task of serving on the council interpreting The public's opinions and concerns is challenging sticky and uneasy but sharing those thoughts and feelings with each other will improve our working relationship and overall goals of making policies decisions that affect our neighbors yeah so when you're based with a complex problem with multiple Solutions what process would you use to select the best solution to your environments

9:27 I am a firmed believer in collaborative processes that result in the best case scenario solution once mutual interest can be identified processes that allow the counselors to come up with multiple Solutions the development of objective criteria that help us judge those options as to which solution will meet the needs and interests of all parties and to keep the public interest in the Forefront it's preferable to me I believe that the efforts to get public input is critical in the overall success of the decisions we will make decisions that are reasonable and durable strong communication is necessary to understand that everyone's interest is should be expressed and understood in order for the council to speak as one

10:13 voice I feel that the decision-making that can be supported by all parties makes our decisions more acceptable to the public interest do you mind repeating the first part where you said collaborative processes it was like the first line I was trying to write it down no problem I could leave this with you as well okay yeah either way but I will repeat myself I think just the first line of collaborative collaborative processes that result in the best case scenario solution thank you you're welcome hey I got the last couple of uh questions um can you describe your understanding of the relationship between the council the city manager and the staff that's what I had to win because I'm not a city councilor yet based on my limited interactions with

10:58 the council I assume that the council makes policy decisions sets goals for the city government that meets the needs of the community establishes priorities creates division statements authorizes contracts passes resolutions and improves the annual budget it appears that we also work on land use issues city services and Community concerns the city manager I believe and I hope I'm insulting anyone is a hired professional position I believe this person is either appointed or hired by the council access the chief advisor and helps provide essential information necessary to help the council with their decision-making processes City staff are called upon to provide the documents regarding the agenda items so that all the facts and figures can be

11:44 understandable in helping the council make informed decision it appears that the six counselors the mayor the manager and the City attorney along with key staff Personnel all work together to set policies that meet the law the goals and are within the taxing Authority okay I'm gonna I'm gonna go to my bonus by Future question I watched the video I was assuming so my understanding is you're currently running for the willamaline board that is correct in this situation that we chose to appoint you and what would your what would your plans for the future be that's how I read the question can I read my answer no go ahead

12:39 so I understand there's concerns that I am on the ballot um both of these things kind of happened almost time simultaneous like that word see that's why I have to write it down um I had originally planned to serve the patrons of the wallet Willamette Lane Park and Recreation District when Denise resigned her seat I was approached to put my name forward as the replacement director I was one of 14 very qualified individuals at the board shows Dr Johnny Lake to serve to to serve out Denise's term those same people that asked me to serve on the board encouraged me to put my name on the ballot within the same time frame letters took a job out of state by the way you said hello uh which led to this vacancy he is one

13:24 of many people who asked me to seek this position on the city council I think that if I'm lucky enough to be appointed tonight to the city council and elected in mage of the willamaline board I am sure that conversations and legal advice will be sought I do not believe that I have created a conflict of interest in wanting to add my skills and talents to both governing bodies but since I'm not a lawyer I can assume that the City attorney will provide legal advice on this matter and then we can go from there perfect thank you you're welcome um the last question was do you have any questions for us or is there something you'd like us to know that wasn't addressed in the questions um just that I am um probably one of the nicest people you will ever meet I'm genuinely caring and passionate I've worked in

14:11 Social Services for the last 40 years I'm retired I have time I love to read because I saw 300 Pages last night I was like whoa um but and I'm also fun I hope that helps perfect thank you so much do you want me to leave any of this interview thank you thank you thank you everybody

14:59 she named Jim that Dr Lake was appointed information because I'm not getting a chance to write stuff down it's important experience shorthand we will take half a breath yeah that's all I'm asking by the time we get through three of these we'll be professionals yeah so this is Beth Blackwell I know

15:48 well welcome and we're glad you can join us this evening um the plan is we each have an assigned question um and then we'll as people ask their individual questions they'll go ahead and introduce themselves so I'm going to turn it over to Michelle to ask the first question and I get the first question as mentioned so uh what do you like best about Springfield and why okay um well there's a lot that I love about Springfield and I would have to say that it's probably the people I've lived in Springfield basically my entire life my parents still live in the same house in Thurston that they brought me home from the hospital too uh I graduated from Thurston High School

16:36 my youngest child is getting ready to graduate from Thurston High School in a couple months and my husband graduated from Springfield he currently works for Springfield School District so I feel like I have Deep Roots here I'm really well connected and networked to the people here and I love going to the grocery store and at the local restaurants and seeing people that I know I think Springfield has a lot of pride in their town and community and I love being a part of it thank you question number two State World War II if there are some things in Springfield to do whether it would be to add

17:22 eliminate or change anything important I would have to say I would love to see more opportunities for housing opportunities for um buyers for Springfield buyers home buyers on all levels I think there's as we know there's such a shortage of housing out there on every level I would love to see more opportunities for our first time home buyers in our area I don't see a lot of housing I've been in real estate for 16 years and there's such a shortage of housing for our first time home buyers and entry-level buyers that there's many buyers that want Springfield and that's great to see

18:07 that's changed over the years and I love seeing that so many people are asking for Springfield and wanting to live here wanting to put their Roots down in Springfield and we don't have a lot of supply for that entry-level buyer seeing what's going on over in Marcola Meadows is exciting that growth and that building is super exciting to see that those are larger homes though and that price point is mid-fourth and up and that first time home buyer or that single income family that's a little high price for them so seeing something that would fit maybe a lower income level again the first time home buyer or Condominiums would be amazing Springfield doesn't really have any Condominiums so seeing something that would fit that

18:52 need would be exciting counselors are elected city-wide rather than by Ward what advantages and or disadvantages do you see with that process I think any kind of voting platform you can pick apart and find disadvantages to however I think that if you have a representative from each Ward then that gives eyes and ears and and a voice to a neighborhood that you are familiar with and you live in and you drive those streets each day and and have a

19:37 community within a community and I think that's important to have a voice and to have representation for your neighborhood and then it's also important though since the council is making decisions that affect the entire city it's very important the city gets to vote and elect every position that's seated in the council because you're making decisions that affect everyone within the city I've been told I need to do shorthand I'm trying then I can't read my handwriting is what happens they get to the end and then I'm like what was I saying

20:22 um hi I'm Victoria Doyle representative Ward five um since there are six city council positions what do you believe are the advantages and disadvantages of collective decision making and shared leadership well I'm a big believer in Teamwork Makes the Dream work for sure I think that teamwork and collective decision making eliminates the singular um you know process and a singular objective I guess and you when you have you know six minds are better than one uh six people bring a different lens and a different perspective to every issue everyone comes from different backgrounds different ideas different uh they bring something different to the

21:08 table different ways of problem solving and that's important when you're looking at complex problems and you each I guess represent uh you know different area of of town and and you're bringing a different perspective into that I think that's important that you come together as a team and make these are big decisions that you're making as a team

21:53 the bathroom cereal dictionary for board six th area so uh and thanks for the complex problem with multiple Solutions what process would you use to select the best solution forward I think I identify exactly what the problem is is important and then looking at the different solutions and what the ramifications are for those solutions would be important weighing those Solutions again talking collectively if we're if this question is relaying how would it be in a council setting would be

22:39 discussing it with the team with the members of council as a group this question reminds me of what you guys are looking at right now with the camping ordinance it's a very complex problem and there's multiple Solutions and I know which are easy and there's ramifications to every solution [Music] and going out to the public and asking their opinion I think was really smart and asking how they feel and how businesses feel and getting their input on it and then coming together as a as a collective to make the best decision that you can with

23:25 information at hand for the community as a whole so can you describe your understanding of the relationship between the council city manager and the staff so my understanding is that the Council works as the legislative branch of the government for the city and that they hire the city manager and the city manager works for the council and that the staff works for the city manager

24:20 okay do you have any questions for us or is there something you would like to know that wasn't addressed in the questions would you would like us to know that wasn't addressed in the questions I think I have any questions at this point but I would like to say uh thank you to all of you very much I have reached out independently to each of you um when I was thinking about applying so that I could ask questions about uh you know your experiencing your time the time involved in becoming a counselor and what that looks like because it's a big job and I've I've learned it's quite a big job and a lot of time and a big time commitment so I just want you to know that it's not a decision that I've to apply that I've taken lightly I feel like I've done my

25:06 homework I feel green to city council but I'm ready and I'm willing to learn and jump in 100 110 give my all to the city to the city I love the city I've lived in basically my entire life and to the people of Springfield thank you thank you so much thank you for reaching out here

26:24 interviewing is so stressful for people yeah really nice it's okay Hill thank you for coming in [Music] um we're gonna rotate the different questions um and each person's got a single question and you know pretty much everybody here so it's less important about the introductions I'm going to turn it over to Michelle for the first question okay what do you like best about Springfield and why okay um well I like it because it's large enough to have some ethnic and social

27:09 diversity and small enough that you can get to know one another like access to the river and the trees and the total that's almost important [Music] uh Stephen uh word two if there was some changes in Springfield you were permitted to do whether it be to add eliminate or change anything what would those be this is where I have a longer list

27:56 okay so as you probably are aware I would like to have more low-income housing like ants heart and other housing and also I think it's important to have some kind of day Center and permanent Egan site serving on house individuals and for opportunities to get navigation to services and also to participate in the community and share their gifts and a lot of people out there that have gives some music and art and all kinds of things um I also think it's very important to continue to work on diversity equity and inclusion I think one of the goals up there says that um but that's hard work and has to do with encountering and being aware of racism and dealing with it and I'd hate to say this especially important in our police system they have that dealt with and continuing to Monitor and work on

28:42 um I'd like to see some economic development and I mean I see economic development that that supports Grassroots small businesses and cooperatives and um opportunities this is just kind of an idea for youth to serve on Council maybe not as voters but to serve with the council um I'd like to see the land acknowledgment that I think you probably have somewhere around that is not just the land acknowledgment about a tribe in words but maybe a way to build relationships with the tribe tribes in the area and the native tables in the area and um be intentional about doing that and have listening to their ideas and

29:27 their contributions and finally I'd like to see addiction and mental health services available as part of the Continuum of Care for anyone that needs them I think we have a lot of work to do on that but there's some possible ways to make that happen okay counselors are elected city-wide rather than by Ward what advantages and or disadvantages do you see with that process well I see that the process allows for representation across the city um but because counselors are elected city-wide we need they need to pay attention to the needs of the whole city

30:14 not just their Ward which is a good thing but the disadvantages that sometimes the special needs and circumstances of the award itself may not always be investigated or something this this Advantage is sometimes when you're looking at the whole city you're not paying attention to what the need is in your particular word and there may be things you're not seeing because you're not you're looking at the forest and you miss something trouble with the trees the this came to mind to me from a person in in Ward four who um was asking me you know what's your

30:59 vision for word four oh Awards five Representatives your next door neighbor since there are six city council positions what do you believe are the advantages and then disadvantage of collective decision making and shared leadership well I I do believe that shared leadership and is is good because we need a variety of perspectives at the table to get the wisest results and I think especially true if we have more the more ethnic and

31:44 cultural diversity we have better for that um allows us to be more creative the disadvantages that it's hard because we have to take the time to really listen to one another thank you so they'll prescribe for more than six of them based with a complex problem we have multiple Solutions what process do you use to select the best solution for those problems that's a good question [Music] um I think one of the things I would do is

32:29 look for the best data available about the problems and then get input and listen to the folks who are most expected why the problem or the situation or the issue especially those that are historically disadvantaged or hurt in some way by the by the issue um and in doing that I suspect come up with a variety of solutions possible solutions and this means acknowledging also people's emotions and listening or needs because sometimes people get emotional about problems we listen for what they're meeting out of that then I'd assess the resources available to address the needs and the solutions and

33:14 try to work out which one be most beneficial to those who are most affected or or depending on the situation the largest number of people and I tend to not think in either or categories I tend to think that there are more than one as you said solution and as we collaborate and get worse ideas we can come up with things that will meet the needs of most people can you describe your understanding of the relationship between the council city manager and staff okay I looked up looked it up online

33:59 apparently um the mayor and the city council are the legislative branch we're in charge of or the the council's in charge of making regarding ordinances and resolutions and contracts um setting the goals for the city adopting the city's budget um and then the city manager is like the executive person to help put those goals into action and as and the city council also appoints or hires the city manager and the city manager also helps us understand the staff and what the staff are capable of doing and are doing

34:45 so there's a should be communication back and forth and city manager oversees the administration of all the staff and I I noticed that you know the staff comes and brings I'm sure the same manager helps decide which staff's going to bring what that they bring things to us and we listen to them and give them feedback or they the council listens and gets me back so that there's communication between the people trying to implement things and us that are trying to set the goal do you have any questions for us or if there's something you'd like us to know that wasn't addressed in the questions

35:31 um I recognize that the commitment to be on Council involves every Monday evening that's fairly clear and the time needed to read through all the documents um is there other time commitment required gosh yes that's a drop of money dropping a bucket you just talked about so I will I guess I will start and then I will open it up and let people that it can be as much or as a little more select you want to be the part that you have to do if you have to show up every single Monday night for for city of counseling um you know most people have anywhere between four to seven other committee assignments that they're going to and almost other you know additional daily meetings as well as community events

36:17 um follow-up phone calls with constituents um emails and you know check-ins with staff over different projects that they're working on so like it could arrange anywhere between you know a 10 hour to even a 20 hour commitment a week yeah yeah does anybody else want to add anything did you include evening times yes um yeah I would just I think you're right I think it it works for me it tends to be about 15 to 20 hours maybe a week that's Council work um because I in addition to reading the packet and doing the Bundy stuff um there are a lot of ways to contribute depending on what companies and boards and things that you're on but also um you know there's the there's the conversations and stuff with constituents but there's also sometimes

37:03 like City things that happen during off hours so it's not it's not a it's not a nine to five or a yeah it's good for the the especially in your ward but around the city but they have a ribbon cutting or something going on we're not required to go to those but it really means a lot to the people for us to show up I think it shows that we you know that we care about their business or we care about what's going on with them and so a lot of times most of us will show up at different events like that that we're invited to just because it means a lot to people for us as their representatives to be there so all right um I was wondering is there a need to be if

37:48 there is a need to be absent say I have surgery there how is that handled well usually you just informed uh either me or or arjo and we just account for it um is is sometimes we can still operate with only four counselors here that's the Quorum um so is people either take vacation or you know have other things come up you know we sort of just count noses to make sure we have enough people here to keep operating every once in a while I mean you won't have to get rescheduled but then assume we have the option of Zoom yes I was not feeling well last week and so I still came to the meeting I just stayed home because I didn't want to get anybody else sick so and we appreciate that yeah um so we work through it it just takes a lot of communication okay

38:33 and is there any orientation or training provided yeah yes yes the city manager will take care of that piece yes she told me she might record it back all right all right thank you thank you for coming all right we still have a little bit of time and I'm going to see if you guys want to start and get deliberations now or we can go on to the next item um do you guys want some time to think about it are you ready to make make some comments okay anybody want to jump in first the mayor

39:19 before you directly sorry I do have just a written copy of the memo about CJ Mann and being on both I don't know if anybody wanted a hard copy in addition to the email today you want anybody I would like that please um and then uh we can talk about this more in the regular session but they're for voting since there are so few candidates most likely you don't need to do the straw man that option b you could just do the option A which would be named you know Neil will call out your name and then you could name the person that you would select and you can keep voting till you get to that number of um

40:04 Whoever has the majority votes or how many it takes anyway if you have any other questions about voting I'm here right on thanks Mary all right I don't care necessarily would like to meet with Mr President everybody is jumping in into a line here wow I don't have any problem discussing I I think all of them had some very decent things very very good against intrusion um most people are all very thorough what stood out to me is my number one pick would be back because of how she entered and how her breadth of which her

40:51 consideration was when she answered those questions and if she looked at seems appears to me that she was looking at her decision making ability and being involved from a 30 000 foot view which is where counselors should be sitting at as opposed to tiny small bits of things um I really like her passion for the housing situation looking for trying to make sure we have some houses for first-time buyers to me that's a very very important I like that um I really like her Teamwork Makes it rain more just kind of cliche but it was really cool I like that um and I liked her problem solving you know first you have to identify if you

41:36 have a problem and that was something that no one else said he's like we may perceive something as a problem is it really a problem an identifying what is the problem um she quickly identified the camping ordinances being very simple as an example of a very difficult decision so I like that um CJ was she was um she answered the questions that not what advantages the disadvantages the question number three is that I I heard a lot as far as what she was talking about her Ward everything about award one I've never really answered what's what's the advantage and disadvantage so that was kind of a little bit down um

42:26 a collaborative process leaning on everything as being collaborative and sometimes collaborative you want to get there but to me after I'll be able to shoot stand behind what your decision is or what you believe to be the correct decision and standing behind it as opposed to always searching for the let's make everybody happy it's it's something worse it'd be great but that's not always going to be happening that's not always going to happen that may not take that enough set well with her but um and then with June Jesus way more into the social system which I agree I understand but I don't think she has a very good healthy grasp of where the city standard

43:11 versus what the county Duties are and County responsibilities I think that's going to be a struggle so anyway so for me it's uh Beth CJ and June in that order okay let's just start going down so my number one choice is CJ um and the I might not say as much but I think that she brings a lot of diverse um experience and has been you know lived throughout Springfield lives in the ward has shown that she is very interesting she ran for this office before and continues to be really interested in serving the community of

43:56 um Springfield um I think that even though and I agree with you in terms of how she answered the that question but I also really appreciated that she kind of talked about in sort of detail like why it's important for people to have a representative in their Ward and to know the people that live there and to understand the needs of that in addition to being city-wide um and I think that I think that she kind of brings this understanding that that yes we're talking about um big things like the camping ordinance and homelessness but we're also talking about parks and roads and streets and I mean she was the one of the candidates who talked about some of those infrastructure things that we don't spend so much time on and land use and

44:42 things like that so and I think that um she just sort of has a good understanding of what it is that where this particular Council has come and where they're going so she was my number one choice um um Beth is my second choice um I thought uh sort of unlike you I mean I also care really strongly about affordable housing but that was the one thing and the fact that you know she is coming from a real estate background and the house age is like I wanted like to see like more like I wanted to see that there were more things besides just like real estate and housing but also appreciate that she has lived here forever and um and has really you know loves the

45:28 city and her family lives here and all of that um and um I actually I think that while June brings a lot of great things also I actually agree with you in terms of like the Human Services pieces that are County pieces and can be really tough for us to sort of keep in mind what's the role of the city and what's the role of accounting um but I do also think that you know she brings a love for the city and has been very important and cares about the future so so those are my one twos and threes okay uh Beth is my number one well aware of the housing and homeless issues and uh the big deal for us now and then CJ very

46:15 outstanding I'm very surprised with the presentation and she's running for lamb Elaine I suspect she's going to be elected to that like Seattle's talents go to her efforts and then later on maybe come back to the council but by the way these are all excellence in June just doesn't have any experience yet uh Beth is my number one choice um for all of the reasons that have already been shared so I don't need to regurgitate um but in addition to that I understand having all of your notes right in front of you and wanting to have that comfort of those notes but I really appreciated that Beth was their nerves up front and just embracing that discomfort

47:03 um which we face when we're sitting here having these conversations and making these decisions I think that that to me was a an important component so um second um I would agree CJ would be my second choice but I also do would like to see her efforts in the willamaline arena for now given that she's looking at both options having been there or looking at two options simultaneously I get that right it's kind of a race to the Finish Line um but I would like to see her if I would like to see this person just focusing on one big learning experience time and obviously that would make you

47:49 my third choice so I will say that CJ had me right off of that when she said um what do you like that Springfield and she said that we're not Eugene I thought that was pretty cool I was like Bingo right that was really great um but I I think on the consensus for me is also Beth and I feel the same about the notes um I think that that is a perfect way to explain it that you know you can have everything written down but it's really important that people are able to um have stuff that they've thought about and that they've read about and then be able to articulate that because that's what we do right we don't necessarily always come in with notes um I was a one-trick pony in a sense that my experiences um is land use and infrastructure and

48:36 Public Works um and so I believe that I had the capacity to learn those other things that we touch on and I firmly believe that Beth would be able to do that as well so my choices for Beth CJ and game foreign um I thought all three of them were absolutely fantastic yeah they they surprised me um I think folks articulated some different concerns with some you know different people and I think you know if when when we talk about you know

49:24 when with with June that that separation between the county I think what a county does and what the city does really was a critical piece of so much of her work you know and desirables around Human Services and we should continue to encourage her to get you know more involved and you know I thought CJ brought an interesting perspective and I'm kind of working apparently backwards back up but I think you guys identified the you know a couple of places and I at the end of the day I thought that it was just a more well-rounded candidate so um then we're going to vote when we get into the next place I think Neil you could let them know if you want um I'm assuming they're all going to stay around here or we could spring it on we could spring it on then when they when we get that far so then if we do the election are you gonna are we gonna right then and they're like drag like

50:10 drag her up front uh no um we're gonna schedule it next week yeah yeah give her like her husband's not here her kids aren't here right like give people a little bit of a warning so we'll start a couple minutes early and put her in the hot seat let's go I know we're not gonna have Chief sheer bring them up right like we're gonna get a little bit more organized okay um I think we we're ready [Music] is there no motion or is there just a call for voters there wording with that vote there's no motion uh what we can do is

50:56 um the item will get called it'd be helpful if uh maybe the mayor could sort of summarize that we've deliberated and we're ready to vote if that's the case and then you can um Neil can just call each counselor and they can say their vote we don't have to do nominations or emotion or anything like that okay I'm sure that's clear thank you

52:09 by introducing uh our fire marshal Travis Worthington to all if you haven't had a chance to to meet him or whoever five months on four four born to change doing some great work for for the community so excited uh mayor Van Gordon council members manager this is the same manager I appreciate the time tonight that we're talking about the proposed fire code ordinance um give you a few minutes there have a presentation for you um I have my notes here too so I can stay on track and efficient with the time hey the question does you have those uh why now why the fire code essentially adopting the 2022 organ fire code will help to improve the safety of the residents of the community is there is a Springfield and the code contains the

52:54 regulations and Provisions that are specifically designed to reduce the risk of fires and other related hazards uh compliance is one of the other uh things we're achieving by adopting the 2022 Oregon fire code City of Springfield will be in compliance with the state regulations this can help to avoid any potential legal issues and ensure that the city is doing its part to pull the state's minimum standards standardization is other reason for us to go ahead and adopt the organ fire code it's widely recognized and adopted throughout the state adopting this code will help to standardize fire safety measures and procedures which can make it easier for businesses and other organizations to comply with regulations and for residents to understand the rules cost Effectiveness while there's some upfront costs such as buying the new code documents and everything it's going

53:39 to be associated with implementing this code standardizing and putting in the fire safety measures and procedures will make it easier for businesses and organizations to combine also help us to risk reduce the risk of fire related damage which can be result in significant cost savings over time uh final reputation by adopting the 2022 Oregon fire code Springfield can demonstrate to the commitment to ensuring the safety of its residents and visitors this can help to enhance the city's reputation as a safe place to live work and visit which can be beneficial to the local economy and the community as a whole questions on why we should adopt the 2020 order backup for those fee schedule so with the proposed fee schedule it's going to be a big overhaul what we

54:25 were coming from versus what we need to go to so just to give you a brief overview previously we had approximately nine operational permits in the Fire Marshal's office and we had been lumping in multiple operational permits into those different categories so what we've tried to do is make it a lot more fair to the business community so if you're a small mom and pop business make it more affordable for you to be able to pull those operational permits you need for your fees if you're a larger company you know paying your fair share essentially with that um in permit fee schedule that I've developed helps us to get some continuity between the two cities it helps to relieve some of the administrative stress I have of having to do two different fee schedules it's

55:10 also we've had questions even this last week where my staff went and did an inspection in Eugene at an operational permit came over Springfield same owner had a business over in Springfield as well different different fees so they were like why is the same person coming to do the same inspection and I'm having to pay those fees um not sure why my predecessor had those lumped that way but there are approximately 50 operational permits in the fire code they were in there in the 2019 fire code as well so what I've tried to do is to align those operational permits we should be enforcing and administering to the community it also would help us to administratively cover those costs and fees for doing that work in that business which is the minimum requirement there there are a few extra we've built into the operational permits such as our vacant abandoned building

55:55 structures that's the survey we do now so they covered this the cost of reforming those functions so I've broken down the fee schedule if you look at it you'll see that it's based on what it actually cost the fire marshal office to do business so if you look at the base hour a hundred dollars that's what it cost me to pay an inspector for one hour the overtime rates are also aligned with what I have to pay my inspectors on an overtime right and the required amount like if I have a minimum for overtime I have to pay through our effective marketing with the Union so we have all that built in there um some of the permits are what we call informational permits so there's a lot of things that we're trying to accomplish with a fee schedule it helps us to be aware of certain businesses and

56:40 what type of hazardous materials or compressed gases peroxide Plastics things that are a hazard to the community but also the firefighters so that's one thing we're also trying to accomplish with this comprehensive fee schedule is to identify those hazards so that we can pre-plan to address those should there be that business questions on that so far we're going to go through the fees or you just this is the overview I was given 10 minutes I'll be glad to answer any questions on any of the fees why don't we get through the whole thing I I have a feeling when the questions start right we're going to get rolling pretty quick here okay great all right on that double click new big thing coming on and the Oregon fire code is there's a whole new chapter

57:26 concerning mobile food units and pods I know this will have impact in the business Community what we're trying to be driven to do is to form a regional agreement so this is what the State Fire Marshal has advised jurisdictions is that if I have a jurisdiction near me like Ben for example if I have a food service truck that maybe does business in Bend but they live in Eugene we align our inspection criteria and operational permit so that they will recognize my permits and I'll recognize their permits so it helps to kind of regionally affect that they don't have to get a permit in every city they go to they can just streamline operations for the business so that's one thing we'll have to accomplish with the food units also pods so it could be our businesses with like

58:13 a brewery and multiple food carts or pots there's some new regulations regarding their LP gas and how they store their chemicals and how they run their line so there's a a good fit of new code that's going to impact that business so we're going to have to work as a community to look at those see that works with our development and our business uh model that we're going to be going for so there's going to have to be some balance there there's going to be a decent time for implementation it's not what I'm going to immediately Hammer as soon as you approve the fire code no that doesn't mean we immediately go to this we're going to have to have some informational education work with that business group probably have some Town Hall meetings where we can sit down with them discuss what's going to work for them so not proposing that we immediately

58:58 go right into enforcing this it's probably going to have to be a start date like around January 1 would be my recommendation that'll give me six months or so to be able to work with those groups educate them and let them know what's coming their way bacon abandoned buildings premises structures so with a downturn in the economy we start seeing a lot more vacant buildings these could be problematic for us the National Fire Protection Agency has put out some information saying that these type of fires in an abandoned or vacant building is the most dangerous for firefighters we often have many fatalities with this Associated um this also could be Community blind there's a lot of things tied to these vacant abandoned structures um we said we see on house

59:43 um getting access to some buildings starting forming or cooking fires we've had several here recently this program that we're initiating will help to make it safer for us to quickly identify buildings what their status is after we've done the survey and placard them accordingly so please Fire EMS anybody but an official could roll up to a building see that it may be abandoned or vacant and identify what the status is could actually go in that structure if they needed to so this will also help to save lives not only just for firefighters but the community police EMS everybody involved so this is one of the programs we're really excited about other jurisdictions have gone something a little bit lighter where they just have a big U on the building but we

1:00:29 realize that that should limit our operations we want to be able to make those risky saves when we can do the job we are meant to do as firefighters to get in and save lives and conserve property and this will help us do that there are 87 composed amendments so in the previous cycle I believe I counted 61 in the 2019 edition of the fire code that was amended and adopted by the City of Springfield 87 is what we have built in this one I have ran this through the building official my staff I've also talked with Community Development I've talked with the State Fire Marshal and city attorney's office so at this point the 87 amendments you have before you have already been vetted through that whole group so if you had input on any of

1:01:15 those amendments and now's a time for us to make those final changes if we can most of the Amendments exist in the administrative chapter which is operational permits Authority jurisdiction nothing really major in there if the operational permit if you look at that we've grouped those in three so the buyer code gives us the ability to do multiple permits and group those so if I have a business that has multiple operational permits and it would be three hundred dollars two hundred dollars and four hundred dollars the code the way we've written the amendment gives me the ability to group those three permits and only charge in the one highest fee the next three would also help them so if they had a fourth permit and it was only 25 we would allow them just to pay that 25. but we would group those in threes

1:02:01 depending on how many operational permits that they would actually have so we have built that in thinking of again the smaller businesses and the larger businesses we can you know fair to them as well the only thing not built into the proposed amendments and the fee schedules is the compliance engine So currently we've been using the compliance engine since 2014. um this is a reporting system where the buyer protection providers actually report up and we look at that information tells us about their sprinkler systems fire alarms Hood suppression systems anything that's in the fire code required to be reported up to the Fire Marshal's Office this program helps us to manage that program we've always just been what they called a base fee where they pay the base fee

1:02:46 we get nothing of it but we don't have to manage it or expend administrative staff time to actually work with that program we're asking to go to a revenue share program which is what other cities of our size have done so Salem Bend Grants Pass close by cities have all gone to the revenue share with the clients engine so this will help us to again be able to monitor generate some revenue and offset our administrative lost but there's not been a fee increase it was fifteen dollars has been since 2014. we're asking to go to thirty dollars which is what's going on in Oregon that's the typical cost to upload a report that's what I got questions questions I've never heard fees that loaded

1:03:37 the greatest fees and everything Joe so yeah all the low fees I see those are all new fees right so they were in the fire code we just were not recognizing that and the peace schedule in the 2019 barcode adopted by Springfield so I'm curious of the 87 changes in the code that are indicated by the state fair Marshals all right so are any of those something that we initiated you or so the fire code comes to us we write the amendments to make it fit for what we need we can go more stringent or we can't go less than that so it's what was the minimum number of changes did you go more stringent on any of them we had to come over syringe on all of them some of them were just terminology changes what we're talking about not not with the um I know we have a current one

1:04:22 that's out of date right that's my take on it and so I know what if there's changes then we're gonna if they're more stringent of course and we have to modify our code to meet those more stringent changes correct correct I get that so was there any of those changes that were made internally more stringent than what the state prescribed in some cases yes there were a few codes that we did go a little more stringent just to comply with what we saw locally that we need to adhere and how many about how many of those and which ones were they were they the 25 ones or were they the two thousand dollar ones or so there's two different things there's the fee schedule and the fee schedule the buyer code has just in the fire code about 52 operational permits that the fire marshal was

1:05:07 supposed to administer and oversee that is separate from the 87 fire code amendments we've actually initiated so the fire code amendments be like instead of saying the State Farm Marshall it says the Springfield Eugene environment essential items so we have that built in a lot of those amendments are just nomenclature saying like Springfield code rather than buyer code so a lot of that was vetted through the city attorney's office so I saw several that the current B schedule is more than what the recommended change is which is so that's a reduction in fees is that did I read that correctly if you're talking about the peace schedule there's one in particular I could address you have that big one yeah which page

1:05:56 here so I'm looking at page 7 of 10 another 8 PM facilities currently is 450 and the new fee schedule recommend is 200. right so that's a reduction so again uh our previous fee schedule we had lumped a lot of these operational permits that are supposed to be separated out we had been lumping them all under like Hazmat right so like for example the Hazmat you'll notice that I've separated those out and broke those in groups so you have like one to four hazardous materials reported that's a base of 200 that reflects the amount of administrative cost it takes it's just to administer that permit and then we scaled it up so that Mom and Pop can afford to report three chemicals and only pays 200 but if I'm a major company that's reporting 20 plus chemicals I'll have to pay more because it takes more administrative time for us to process review that has the materials inventory

1:06:41 statements but it's not like this this particular permit for example the high file storage I mean I'm sorry the eight chem facilities and where those may actually it's not like a once permit fits all that's it's that particular fee went to 200 because there's other now other permits that they must now purchase that will add on top of that right previously we were putting like compressed gases Hatters materials HPM facilities iPod storage all into one fee so we were kind of missing the revenue stream there if you look in that aspect but also we weren't addressing and getting the information back that they actually had a hazardous you know producing material on a facility so and then when you have and I see that there's a several new

1:07:27 ones added on a bunch of new ones added on and there's a lot of them that you know for example uh as Steve was mentioning that they're they're cheap it's like 25 so those aren't knitting Springfield fee schedule again we didn't recognize them in the previous week schedule so they've been in the fire code right we just not been collecting the data or initiating those operations like we should you want to start charging in some cases yes okay so have you done them have you I assume you've done the numbers in regards to what is the net result or what's the bottom line on this change or what kind of Revenue new Revenue will be generated how much is that no so that's going to be difficult because again we were lumping everything like it was like 450 covers had the

1:08:13 materials well we didn't know if they were breast gases you know was that a hazardous material was it you know oxygen they had them all Olympic to one criteria so it's going to be really hard for me to say we were generating x amount of Revenue or we'll generate a next amount of Revenue right now we need to clean up the fee schedule separate all those operational permits out probably have a year cycle to determine who's reporting what and again some of these were probably going to have a very small percentage of Industry that's going to report anything some of these are not going to really impact most businesses I'd say you're probably going to have about 20 percent of the businesses that may see a little bit more they're going to have to pay because they've been paying a straight 450 dollars but they may have 200 chemicals they're reporting so that really wasn't fair again to the mom and

1:08:59 pops and it takes us a lot more time to review a 200 uh 200 Page list or 200 item list of materials and make sure their quantities are accurate than it does for three so my first one of my first thoughts too is that and I'm not I'm not a poster I just want to be able to have a good understanding of it so you have uh several you can not necessarily new categories I got corrected on that was so many different places that we had we're going to start charging for those and so what I'm curious is that if you haven't if there hasn't been any actions or uh contact or time spent on businesses that have not had permits therefore no

1:09:44 inspections there no contact with Fire Marshals or that contact has been done and we've been paying having to pay for the time for that contact but no permit fees presses are these businesses that have never had that contact therefore no cost to the city now we'll have permits and then if we have permits then it's going to force contact with the fire and then how much more time or is that going to require additional FTE to administer the program that you're suggesting the letter P schedules established it will cover my cost for that so I should be able to manage this fee schedule with the staff I currently have about down the road a couple years we see yes this is starting to generate

1:10:29 a lot more work and we may have to revisit that discussion that's my only fears is you know throwing seeds in a bucket there and seeing what almost appears those we're going to see what grows and because we don't know how much revenue is going to generate so probably won't know how much we need to set aside and we haven't mentioned about if there's excess range if it's not having a costume or fke and it's creating Revenue where is that Revenue going to be earmarked four if it's not cost you needed if it doesn't cost you more staff so try and just a quick late at this point in time and trying to sort it yeah so I'm not certain one of my predecessors were trying to achieve okay speaking about the chief Kevin's predecessors either but um I'm trying to fix it essentially at this point in time

1:11:15 so step one is going to be fix it separated out after we've done a cycle a year of permits to see oh we know how many we have of this and how many we have at that we'll have a much clearer picture on what the revenue generation is going to be and what the impact to our operations can I just step in just briefly on that as we look into the forecasts and the budget and making sure that we have ways that we're capturing to pay for the things that don't necessarily need to be weighing on the general fund as it tries to solve problems in the out yours this will help make sure we're kind of in alignment there I mean you know the investment in the Fire Marshal's Office is I agree right for my support I mean I support what the idea behind it and the thought process behind it I'm just I'm very skeptical in regards to there's just a few questions that are kind of like kind

1:12:00 of like saying okay well let's let it out of the bag here and see what happens and that's a little scary for elected official meaning I I want to you know we should be aligned I think it's I think it's a good idea but I would like just a little Comfort or a little or at least some feedback on a periodic basis as it's moving along to see what's happening and then if we all say hey to you know do it that's great then that stamp is stamped and and what did we create and what's gonna you know do we have a back door do we have an off ramp do we have ability to change I suppose what do you think we'd have the ability to change and also keep in mind we've added three new staff here in the last few months so myself and then we had a new Administrative Assistant come on and then one dfm one

1:12:46 and two Life Safety inspectors so my capacity to be able to support this work is there now I didn't know that so yeah yeah we have done that wasn't aware you weren't updated with that but we do have those two Life Safety inspectors one more dfm one and then administrative staff now that we've not had for many years and that's not all Springfield positions um thank you for this and I appreciate the effort to like do a little set and clean up and start fresh um part of what I heard you say kind of bouncing off of what council appritioner said you mentioned data a couple times and it sounds like pulling these out is going to help us also to get a more clear understanding exactly Who's got

1:13:32 what and who's doing what because if it's all lumped together we don't necessarily know what what are the chemicals that are being used in a particular piece of property yeah okay and I appreciate that because I think that's you know moving forward that gives us a much better idea of where we're at yeah a good example for this is peroxylin Plastics um which has been in the fire code is operation for years we weren't recording any data on that that is very flammable I mean 25 pounds of that is very bad so knowing who actually has a story in that would be something we need to know it doesn't cost us a lot to know that knowledge but the fact that we weren't asking for it we weren't getting information back so again that's just an example of one of those things that we have as I think is zero or twenty five dollars just to report it that's just so I can tell

1:14:18 operations okay this is the place where they have this so if you have a buyer be careful and know where it's located in our brand snow planet and secondary just this is just an appreciation I also really appreciate the the sort of noticing on the vacant buildings because you know just supporting we had a fire and death series bring them up very long ago and just to know that our First Responders know what they're getting into I appreciate that move I think we um I keep telling people we're in prevention not reaction so at least my side of the house and operates that house during the reaction sign that means we didn't succeed in being preventative but for example like the guest house in that was uh where we did a really good job work with everybody as a group identified the issue and I'm

1:15:03 adjusted for it when we needed to because otherwise it could have been a really bad incident for us so thank you Victoria so first of all I want to say thank you it sounds like the fees have been changed since 2014 is that what I heard you say on a compliance engine okay yeah well um there were some of them that I was really surprised that we that we weren't collecting our charging for these multiple false alarms and I'm really pleased to see that there's some type of a consequence for that because I don't think people realize the amount of cost that they're generating in the in the Manpower person power um that that causes and I liked the fact that it was okay on the third one and then now on the fourth it goes up even more I think then that there has to be a consequence that hurts enough that people will make the change and so I'm

1:15:50 really pleased to see that I mean on board um and I'm not usually a big fan of fees but on that one I think that's a great idea um I also want to comment on that abandoned building scene I think I saw something or read about them doing that in Chicago and how it's really helped them and I think they do have just the you on the building but still knowing what you're going into and the way you have those three levels that's that's just a bad idea and I'm so grateful that you guys are going to be pursuing that so good job on this I appreciate having fresh blood in here and someone who doesn't just say well this is the way we've always done it I really appreciate having some kind of go wait a second why are we doing it this way and what are they and it sounds like you're really doing that so right on great job concern to the nuisance style aren't too we've

1:16:35 also implemented that literally last week impairment notification so we have an impairment notification now when somebody's going to take their sprinkler system offline we have a process for them to actually report that to us so we can let operations know okay between the hours of this time and this time on the state you're going to have an issue if you have a fireball location so we've got that and the firewatch protocols worked out and it all is tied together with fake and unsafe buildings so fireworks like I don't want people having firework shows that don't have permits and aren't being you know and if they have to pay a fee at a certain amount we know that they at least have some level of professionalism and they're going to be doing it right so yeah I was really I was really impressed thanks um I got a couple questions here uh especially with a vacant building uh these honest I'm assuming when that's

1:17:21 adopted from a program that's going to roll out with training in both the fire department and and the local police departments right okay billion officials too yeah because right now when we do conduct an investigation we do report it's a damage building report it's a one-pager but are they can man a billion survey is much more in depth and gives all that same information so again that'll go out to please it'll go out to EMS they'll go out to the building officials Code Compliance we're working hand in hand with Charlie Can't Screw you know with that as well so we just actually did one last week where we jumped on the administrative warrant when they're able to do our survey and work with him to help get the place boarded up and secure so and when you put the U up it you guys have actually boarded the building and it it is actually secured and the reason I'm asking is you know we've had a vacant

1:18:07 building fire out here probably a year ago um and I guess I'm I'm a little bit concerned that if you put a u on a building it we may think it there's nobody in it come on in yeah yeah that's so from the operational side of things what we look at there is to inform we're still going to aggressively search any building in a fire make sure there's no life in there we understand those risks it's just we're going to call for the additional resources because we know it's a high-risk search perfect and against the call out that stuff that could get our environmenters killed or injured the most financing perspective I know there was a there was a lot of questions about how much um how much revenue that were you know that is sort of raising in what I'm hearing this you guys describe it I'm

1:18:52 sort of hearing the a look it might be a little bit more a little bit less than we raised last year because we've got a new fee structure but if it came in we're not expecting this to kind of race three times as much of Revenue you know okay yeah no I mean we may have a little increase there and again if we need to come back next year and say okay we've identified we're having a lot of these permits and it doesn't cost us as much time to administer we need to lower that permit fee I would do so and from a fee perspective we are co-ed on we will have the same exact fees between the Eugene side and the Springfield correct other than the fireworks of the recipes we don't have the wholesale over there and I don't know if you caught that but we weren't involved in the inspection of the consumer fireworks sale stamps there

1:19:38 was like a 53 fee that was in the general fee schedule but we weren't getting notified to go and inspector to make sure they were following rules as far as that Saint goes so this will help bring us in line with that perfect but just uh quick questions Paula I really appreciate all the questions got a lot of a lot of my thoughts were going ah but I'm much more settled and I appreciate that um so but just a quick follow-up so I'm going to write down you said that if you find that the revenue is coming in higher than expected that you would lower the fees if we needed to if we're if we're seeing that because we're hitting operational permit that's showing that a lot of people are reporting on it and they're thinking oh this you know we shouldn't be paying that much I tell you that would be great I mean as far as if you guys did actually come back and say this

1:20:24 is higher than expected we're not meeting you know it's beyond what our cost is and that we are looking at reducing it I'll tell you that would go a huge way in the community I just know that I'm very thoughtful of that because I only want to reclaim our costs yeah that's all I'm trying to do is cover my administrative costs to get that information into the department generate three or four times and again like previously we were 450 that 450 was for a big company or a small company so I gotta report two chemicals and I gotta pay I mean I've heard those I've been on those phone calls and I'm like yeah you're right we need to fix that so that's you'll see it's now scaled and this may be down into the my new shared talk about employment permits and groups of three and then if they pull up admit the next one permit it's like 25 and

1:21:12 it's and you have these other fees and you're talking about how one the highest one will offset the other fees in regards to coming out with the least cost of however the combination is or yeah okay so yeah if I had 300 400 500 on the first three right they'd pay the 500 they get all three if they had two more and one was 150 another one was 25 we let them pick a point on the second okay so if it's an individual then they get to another three so if they had six totaled then they'd pay the two highest fees of you know we'll have to appreciate that and one little technical question here in regards to your explosive section 105.5.16 page four top ten or page four

1:21:58 of ten at the top in regards to exemption the storage in group R3 occupancies of smokeless propellants black powder Small Arms primers for personally use not to resale in accordance with section 5606. I assume that there that you're referring to and that's for personal use obviously maybe right yeah that so like residential doesn't Reloaders right if you're a reloader doesn't impact you yeah and that's what I'm reading but this is big because I don't know what the group are or section is is there uh amounts restrictions in regards for residential storage and smokeless powders or if not yeah so residential I have no jurisdiction there ATF may have some requirements and

1:22:45 that would go through cooking yeah if it's a residential like again I'm buying black powder to reload my bullets none of my business essentially I would love to know so if we were fighting a fire truck yeah yeah so I I really appreciate uh you this presentation I literally had all kinds of angst previous to this and the way you explained it makes complete sense to me and I I support all right well thank you so much for the time I can tell you that I speak for everybody here seeing the fire department show up with you know with uh a good work session it's good to see you guys and I hope we see you appreciate it thank you good job

1:23:42 meeting of the Springfield City Council to order with roll call Mayor Van Gordon here councilor Weber here councilor Moon here Council Bradley here councilor Doyle here and Council missionary here thank you uh please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands under God indivisible as we begin our meeting tonight there are two designated there are two designated times for public testimony this evening under public hearings and business from the audience if you are

1:24:27 attending in person please complete the request to speak card located at the entrance of the council chambers and give them to the city recorder if you are joining us with the tablet smartphone and computer and wish to speak either of those times please use the raise hand feature in Zoom the order of the public testimony as follows anyone in person in the council chambers and then anyone who is going to raise their virtual virtual hand or site in place maybe the first item is Springfield upbeat item number one mayor's recognition National Library week Proclamation and this is your item mayor all right I'll read this in the record and I see some folks from the library here for for the picture whereas the libraries provide the opportunity for

1:25:13 everyone to pursue their passions and engage in lifelong learning and allow them to live their best life Wireless libraries have long served as trusted institutions for all members of community regardless of race ethnicity create or ability sexual orientation or socioeconomic status whereas libraries strive to develop and maintain programs and collections that are diverse as the populations they serve whereas libraries adapt to the ever-changing needs of their communities and continue to adapt collections services and Partnerships whereas libraries are the cornerstones of democracy and promote the free exchange of information and ideas for all whereas libraries Librarians and Library workers are joining Library supporters and Advocates across this nation to celebrate National Library week I Sean Van Gordon mayor Springfield to

1:25:59 Proclaim April 23rd through 29th 2023 National Library week

1:26:45 next item please next item is the consent calendar yes thank you I'd like to First pull item 5A from the consent calendar before we entertain a motion so I like to make a motion with a consent counter excluding 5A second okay Neil could you call a vote please yes councilor Weber yes councilor Mo yes councilor rodley yes counselor Doyle aye and councilor Pictionary yes thank you Ocean passes uh five yeses zero knows um so let's go to 5A please um mayor 5A is authorizing the city manager to sign contract c3342 with Dowell Consulting Engineers for 654 526

1:27:31 and this is the 42nd Street um Paving and Jeff Pascal is here if you need some information I ask that this item be pulled because I think this is a pretty big deal um oftentimes in our community we're asked about 42nd Street between um probably international paper and and Marcola Road and this is a initial work that's starting on working on that road and I just wanted a second for Jeff to just explain for everybody what a great first step this was yeah so thank you mayor council uh the first goal tonight obviously is to get this contract approved by the council so the city manager can sign that but how we got here is we received 12 million dollars from through State legislation in 2017 that we received from ODOT last

1:28:16 year recognized this year um and what we're doing is with the uh approval of the council leadership of uh about a month ago we moved forward with a request for proposals received one proposal to go ahead and start engineering and um conduct a Paving project to do a preservation project on that section of 42nd Street um part of the reason is this is going to be a very in what I would say an interim preservation project so 10 to 15 years because the future of 42nd Street is really tied to the 42nd Street Levee which is needs to be reconstructed so at some point and so this will be that interim Paving piece this moved out the paving and then we're still looking at

1:29:02 potential traffic Transportation temporary traffic measures as well all right thank you are there any questions all right Joe I'd like to make a motion to pass 5A second Neil Council Weber yes cancel remote yes Council Bradley yes that's for Doyle aye and councilor Pictionary yes thank you thank you uh next item please next item you have uh two public hearings this evening public hearing number one is annexation of territory to the city of spring of Springfield annexing 0.36 Acres of residential property located at 4096 North Street let's map

1:29:47 18-02-06-11 tax slot zero four zero zero and concurrently Annex a segment of North Street again this is ordinance number one an ordinance annexing certain territories 4096 North Street and approximately a 630 foot long segment of North Street to the City of Springfield and will landline Park and Recreation District withdrawing the same territory from the Willy Kenzie rural Fire Protection District adopting a severability clause and providing an effective date um Tom Sievers is here for the staff report good evening mayor and counselors uh as you recall on April 3rd we left the public hearing open to allow sufficient uh public comment time due to a typo that went into the uh public um notice that was published in the

1:30:33 newspaper so tonight we're just here to have any further deliberation that might be needed uh hear from any public that might be here tonight we did not receive any written comments uh during that time so barring that you may be free to take action all right since the public hearing is still open um I do not have any cards for this item does not appear we have any hands online for this item okay I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and then can we take action on this tonight okay I'd like to make a motion to adopt ordinance number one second Neil could you call the vote please yes

1:31:19 counselor Weber yes councilor Mo yes councilor Bradley yes councilor Doyle aye and counselor Pictionary yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero knows next item please your second public hearing is the camping ordinance this is ordinance number two an ordinance repealing and replacing Springfield Municipal Code section 5.130 relating to prohibited camping on public property Mary Bridget Smith is here for the staff report uh good evening mayor and Council I'm here to see to continue our conversation about um amending the city's camping code to be compliant with HB 3115 this is the first review of the code

1:32:04 um this evening I have a short presentation of PowerPoint prepared I was thinking I could go through that and then um you could conduct a public hearing and then I could come back for any follow-up or questions and specific direction for um next steps if that sounds all right does that work okay Let's see we already have a question oh okay just a quick one so Council input occurs not this meeting next meeting or what time what's this meeting and that's going to be after this show and after public comment or before public comment but whatever you want I just needed to know when thanks

1:32:50 looking at the item uh tonight the action requested tonight is to conduct a public hearing and first reading of a draft ordinance with a draft uh camping code section um we also will have a discussion about adoption process uh public comment a little bit of context around the public comment and then some specific questions about the draft code uh I think you've seen this slide before this is just my um reminder about the legal backdrop about what we're doing here today this is um the idea we've had some recent uh court rulings and then HB 3115 is a state statute that talks about a city or county regulating the acting of uh

1:33:37 sleeping or keeping warm outside on public property those regulations must be objectively reasonable using the totality of the circumstances and then this box on the left talks about a government entity cannot criminalize conduct that is an unavoidable consequence of being homeless namely sitting lying or sleeping that's from the Boise uh Martin case and there was also a case out of Grants Pass with the similar holding so just to give some context for this um discussion and also I think as you look through the public comments and hear comment tonight obviously a really charged issue and just acknowledging that this is the tough issue for people to talk about and impacts the community some of the things you may hear tonight

1:34:22 may not necessarily apply to camping on public property and if you'll have other direction at some point about looking into other options we totally understand um but keeping in mind that what we're talking about tonight is Sheltering on public property which is a narrow slice of issues involving homelessness in our community so I want to talk a little bit about process um in order to pass an ordinance here the council does that in a regular session by a vote after deliberation an ordinance has to be read twice typically an ordinance will be read in Open Session there may be a public hearing and then it will be put on the consent

1:35:08 calendar and then adopted in this case that could happen that's one option you could take the code as it is drafted tonight and say that looks fine move it forward for adoption like normal or you could after hearing public testimony and having your own deliberation provide direction to staff to say I want you to change these aspects of the code then it would be brought back to you on May 1st for essentially a new first reading and then it would get read again so it just would have one more step of process for the public to be able to view the quote new code based on your deliberations and then the third option could be that if you get lots of public input tonight um you could decide on we have a date set aside on May 1st sometime do you

1:35:53 want additional time for the public to be able to weigh in an additional time to deliberate and then if that's option three that you choose then we can just sort of decide you can provide Direction about how you want to see May 1st um that meeting go and then depending on that direction we could come up with a schedule moving forward for later in May and into June um but you do have dates set aside for uh May 1st now and then a just a draft consent Day on May 15th I believe does that make sense for process any questions there about okay all right and then um this next part is about the draft code itself there were some um

1:36:38 questions that I wanted um to put before you as part of your deliberations or items to consider that I thought it would just be helpful to have a discussion about as opposed to getting into a long drawn out written communication in the packet so some items that I will be asking about would be enforcement in terms of the revised fine amount and if you have other questions about enforcement generally for example who would be doing the enforcement what would that look like um and then another issue would be um we had talked and had there was Direction about the 24-hour time limit and then there were other conversation about you know do you and this is something we'd seen in other jurisdictions should you limit for

1:37:23 example in one area like one block face only having a certain number of Camp people camping in that area at a time or require them to move every 24 hours like down the block um in some conversations with the police department that could be could be challenges with enforcing that and so it's removed from this draft code but it's some if it's something that you want to see back in we can certainly add that back in So if you're wondering where that was that was just based on the discussion with uh staff about the realities of enforcements I wanted to bring that to your attention tonight um some uh points about location parks are explicitly listed in this um draft code that's a carryover from the old code I know that parks are a different

1:38:09 uh special district but looking at the public feedback about parks and since we had it in the old code made sense to just carry it over to the new one but if that's something that Council wants to look at that could be something um also explicitly talking about access we have an older cold code section that talks about that people can't prohibit access to entrances but that wasn't quite expansive enough for kind of the issues that we're seeing people have when there are some homeless camping in right away or on sidewalks and then people are trying to get to their business and so added that back into this draft code and then um also there's a provision that excludes this type of camping on public property

1:38:55 that happens to be close to um sanctioned emergency shelter um or Sheltering uh programs another thing that we had seen in other jurisdictions trying to protect those sorts of transitional housing from having a kind of donut around it that may have some unsanctioned camping so one idea there and then also a thought about another area about location would be that this draft explicitly excludes residential areas from have being public property in residential areas that there'd be no camping there but the council may want to consider other areas around the city that may not be zoned residentially but it may be important such as downtown to be specifically

1:39:40 called out so something else to think about and then um just a quick summary on public input we tried to get input in a number of ways obviously there's this traditional format here with the public hearing we've got quite a few emails to the city attorney's office that's in your packet there we did also try to do an intentional reach out to certain stakeholders tried an online survey which is a new tool for us but it was just trying to get at people who may not have the um ability to be able to come in and comment at a council meeting it's the first time we've done this we did get some good feedback about maybe questions

1:40:25 being confusing or ambiguous and some nice feedback from people who have experience with these types of surveys that I'm hoping we can use for future ones and then left a paper survey at Ebert Memorial or Everett Methodist Church they do um meals a couple times a week for homeless individuals and it was a good way to get that perspective as well and that's included in your packet um and then really that's just the end of my remarks in terms of I'll be back after you conduct the public hearing to go through probably more detail the process issues and the con and the um draft code also looking for on the survey if it is still open and looking

1:41:12 for a date search and to close it and recommending that it be closed this Friday so we can get you a final report of all the information in the survey and get that posted for the community that's all I have right now unless someone has their questions and then I'll be back after you take the testimony uh are there any questions if you have questions for clarification not deliberations did I hear you say you took the 24 hour period out no the 24 hour period is in there what was removed is limiting the number of camps in a certain area or asking people to move like down the block face uh so the one question I have is around the prohibition in public parks I know that we kind of went back and forth with one Lima Lane just because they're a

1:41:58 separate entity is that I guess language compliant with what the position of their board is I believe so I mean they have a process that they use through their park rangers for addressing camping and exclusions they're subject to the court rulings but not this statute so they have sort of a different uh legal responsibility here um so I believe prohibiting it in Parts is my understanding that it's compliant okay excellent thank you any other questions all right um before we start Neil can you let us know how many folks are online uh we have approximately 26 attendees online okay thank you um I'm going to call folks forward um and then you'll get three minutes if

1:42:43 you can state your name and uh area or address for the record there are some people in here that are not from the City of Springfield so please state which city you're from so that we can um work through this accordingly and I just want to acknowledge some of the if you do not want to talk specifically to the camping ordinance then I just let me know when I can put you in the put you in the public uh the business from the audience category there's some some uh subject lines that I'm not quite sure if this is the specific item that you want to talk to first person is Chris McAllister Mr Mayor esteemed members of the council my name is Chris McAllister and I come from Ward 3. I'm here to discuss as a resident and as

1:43:29 a public servant on the topic of homelessness the fact that we have an issue that we don't quite know how to tackle I'd like to first thank you for helping us with Eagan efforts Anne's Heart by lifting up the members of the guest house during their struggle this last winter and for expanding the car camping beds I find the ordinance it to be in the spirit of protecting the city's interest but not necessarily in the body of work from the uh the state's expectations we are supposed to make sure that we cover all of our bases and if we cannot cover basis that we have a space for them to be so our people need to be seen I currently have sheltered approximately 700 accumulative years of experience of residency in Eugene camps I have over 40 people in Eugene camps from Springfield because there's no safe place to be in

1:44:14 Springfield for springfielders our ordinance here talks about what not to do where not to be how not to be it does not prescribe where screen folders go springfielders need to be when they're displaced seniors when they are displaced um the same veterans and when we have people seeking hospice there's no place in this ordinance for that we already are doing hospice for people on the streets and Tents where do we send our people having no legs makes County beds unacceptable having no access to electricity means the CPAP machine cannot be plugged in we don't see answers in these ordinances we see or you people can't be I understand and I respect the UI given to our city manager to be able to solve problems but we need to have a prescriptive way where people

1:45:00 should be this town Rose in 2020 to serve against the winter and virus it rose again when twice came the fires in 2023 we faced The Perfect Storm both uh crisis and of a reckoning as we carve out our next steps and we do so in a manner that builds up people and prevents the deaths a third of the people we helped out in 2020 are dead a third of them are housed and a third of them are still struggling Cottage Grove did a great job they've been working on this for two Octobers they have a place where people go where if that fills up where they go next that fills up where they go next they started to Showcase how the city takes advantage of its opportunities and leverages funds

1:45:47 for its people so people can be in the towns where they're from where they were born and where their kids are where do our single single senior winner and go next week women where do our veterans who are discharged into hospice go tomorrow with the drug so bad in the state where do those where do I shelter the people who are in recovery who need to be away from the drugs now put in a cookie cutter group setting where their dealer may be we have turned the key over and the question remains where do we start with designated spots for springfielders to regain their spark I thank you for your time thank you for your service and I uh just want to implore you to remember our people let them be seen thank you Gary Baldwin

1:46:36 thank you my name is Gary Baldwin and my wife and I own a small scripts mall on 14th in northeast corner or 14th and Main directly east of 7-Eleven and I realized that this uh particular ordinance has to do with public land but you need to know how it affects private land as well because all access roads travel right around private land uh we've owned the property since 19 1990 we put approximately a million dollars into it and sadly we've seen tremendous effect since uh the uh November 3rd 2020 passing a measure one Senate measure 110 when they simply allowed hard drugs to

1:47:22 not be uh if you will criminal criminalized so what happened then is that the people moved on to the the public land that is true but secondarily when it rains when it snows when it's cold they move under the structures that happen to be there which could be 7-Eleven or it could be our model it could be your home but the fact the matter is we get everything from human waste to uh sex items to drug paraphernalia and it's constant and not only that when it's cold outside they light fires under the parapet on 14th and Main this has impacted your police because we have to call the police we have signs up and so forth uh I will say one thing we

1:48:07 all signed into measure 110 because we believe that it would take the the profits from marijuana or cannabis and it would send it towards Rehabilitation for the individuals that are out there in fact the matter is it didn't because quite frankly they kept it at 90 million on that and then finally we failed to realize that there is a positive and negative effect to whether you behave correctly or not um so shortly after I guess my question is this who's going to manage and enforce the regulations as far as time and who's going to do that is there going to be a department are you going to pay for that how are you going to pay for it who is going to take care of the Portable Restrooms and the other hygiene features

1:48:54 that are on these locations who's going to pay for that who's going to watch over the unruly and threatening behaviors that are already affecting our people on our property and they have the right to carry and they have threatened to use it finally who is going to pay for the continual maintenance of the property who is it is it going to be us secondarily does the city really have a City of Springfield have the legal right to manage designated Open Spaces that are not public property those are questions I have and I just thought I'd bring them up tonight before we make a decision on this thank you very much for your time thank you David Lovell

1:49:42 the mayor esteemed colleagues and counselors my name is David love I live at 1657 delrose and I'm coming to you and testifying as a public citizen a downtown developer a 35-year Springfield resident and a long time minister to the needy across the globe you've been asked by our governor to come up with rules and ordinance whereby houseless individuals may camp on public property because of a Boise Idaho lawsuit that states if there's no beds for them to be in trespassing and squatting cannot be cited or deemed illegal our overnight bed space and our currently currently operates at only 80 percent capacity this means we have anywhere between 70 and 120 beds available every night further the definition of public property is not our sidewalks parking strips or curbside spaces or doorways of

1:50:28 businesses after hours every private property line extends beyond the sidewalks into the street but Grant easement rights for public thoroughfare we must still be able to enforce our trespassing laws to be fair to the citizens whose policies these continue to strip the rights from Open Spaces such as Parks playgrounds bike paths riverfronts and Recreation sites are deemed by deed restrictions for specific public use in the public trust from the plan which they were originally developed these are not spaces accessible to anyone who doesn't have a home for overnight use or temporary shelter without sanitation just this week nearly 500 pounds let me say that again 500 pounds of waste was

1:51:15 cleaned up off an island off the Owosso bike bridge in preparation for the next rain storm the latest data shows our non-profit efforts State and County and City funded help entitles entities are helping only 15 to 21 percent of the people that we are counting as houseless that means net 79 to 85 percent of those either refuse our humanitarian efforts or by their own mental or drug condition aren't able to make a choice of their own volition to be helped the camping standards we develop as Humane and compassionate Community must direct individuals to services and provide the framework to intercede for those unable to make life-saving life-altering decisions it's a three-fold approach we must help those who want help we must

1:52:02 advocate for those who want to try and for the rest who only want our freebies abuse our open air for drug use adhere to zero accountability to the basic tenants of the law and in possession of various articles of stolen property we must still be able to apply the weight of the justice system to wake up them to change or be directed to go somewhere else our community is here to help not facilitate a money pit of daily cleanups or extra enforcement costs that would continue a downward spiral of inhumane conditions that would litter our city if we don't get this toxic charity model off our chest I urge you to develop guidelines that direct people to the help we've already provided and simply not enable them to continue thank you

1:52:47 thank you Jason profit hey sorry guys there's no clamping in during public testimony please thanks thank you Jason Prophet Jason profit Quarry Road uh I oppose this removing the the camping we don't need to leave it at the way it is uh the city would work so hard to keep this clean this area up let's keep it clean so manager Twisted River Saloon came up with six or eight Acres out past the call center on Sports Way by Motel 6. if you want to put a Conestoga camp get it out of the out of the side of the taxpayers is that your Camp up there I talked to an Uber driver the other day he said uh

1:53:32 over Eugene the Camp's empty there's not enough law enforcement to patrol to patrol the problems as taxpayers we don't want to see this stuff down here you guys did really well over the years get it out get it out in the head of town so thanks thank you June father Gill and father Gill um I mean Ward four I do appreciate that in the ordinance there is the option included for the city manager to designate areas open to Camping or as I like to call it safe rest areas make it more Springfield

1:54:20 I'd like to have this part of the ordinance fee that the city manager is directed to do that rather than if she wants to or if they want to I suggest that the way to develop this option in a Springfield manner is to first of all realize that we work best in Partnership we have a team Springfield that kind of thing with other public entities to find and establish a safe threat safe rest area or Springfield unhoused Neighbors I think we are going to have to work with willamal Lane we are going to have to work with some other entities like the county to find a space but we need to find one and secondly we can use funds I think we

1:55:05 should use funds coming from homelessness response um responses are coming down from the count from the uh whatever it is the state I guess the federal and maybe from other places to fund some positions the staff position one or two perhaps that would specifically be working with homeless people who have background who know how to work with unhealth people that understand their needs and are willing to help monitor any kind of camping site that we set or a rest area we set up um the police are doing this now this would take it away police wouldn't have to do as much of that kind of work we'd have people that and it would be better for them and finally suggests that in order to

1:55:50 have the flexibility to do this that we take out the in any City Park as part of the ordinance because it may be that we need to work with willamalane to find a space together um so thank you very much thank you Mary Shannon Moore good evening mayor Van Gordon and Springfield counselors I'm Mary Sharon Moore and I reside on Main Street in ward 4. I've served for nine Winters with Eagan warming centers and including the Springfield Memorial Building

1:56:35 so I wish to address the camping ordinance in three points first when people lack shelter and the goods necessary for basic human life we all suffer partially from the effects of make do camping but more so from a smash and grab economic system that is rigged against common Folk second the ones creating serious Havoc are corporations and National brands that extract tax breaks and low wages from our community I call this greed without guard rails it is morally wrong for the rich to expect

1:57:20 the poor and the towns where they do business to be their primary beneficiaries third I urge Springfield City Council to not only consider the right but to defend the right of unhoused people in our community to engage safely in the basic activities which sustain a human life free of the bone rattling mind-boggling nerve racking task of continually searching for the next temporary site that satisfies the city's camping ordinance enforcing prohibitions is not enough we need to be defending their Humanity

1:58:06 not eroding what remains of it thank you for this opportunity to to share these thoughts and thank you for your service thank you Ernie Glover majeska green hello thanks for the opportunity to speak here my name is majeska C screen and I'm representing the Springfield Church of the Brethren which is over on Main Street you may be aware of it that

1:58:51 we've worked on housing for years and are glad to have the shelter care afia building on our property and the saint Vinnie's Myrtlewood next door on what used to be our property we also have uh we're glad to have been able to do those projects but we still definitely have a particular concern for the many who are still Without Shelter and so um we're glad to be part of the Springfield shelter rights Alliance and um I want to Second what some other folks from that Alliance have said including June and and Chris earlier and Mary

1:59:38 Sharon and um I realize you're you're changing the ordinance because of the state law and the court rulings and I hope that the end result turns out to be as Humane and respectful as possible for the most marginalized thank you thank you Philip Rosenberg well for under 20 years I was homeless oh why

2:00:25 excuse me could you say name is Philip Robert Rosenberg 222 West 11th Avenue um Eugene Oregon I used to be an awards around here but I like Springfield thank you go ahead being a former homeless person and I know that hell you don't want to see me you don't want to have anything to do with me a sight out of mind it's cool I got a way to help out that it's real simple large decorative rocks put them in places where again and

2:01:10 there's quite a few places you can do this and because who would who doesn't want to say I'm sorry you can't climb back under the rock you came from but we got one you can climb under to stay safe it's simple and it works it's elegant we can call it the Bedrock program you think it's a joke it's not a joke it could work and it would take away all the years of telling people or not telling people because they don't you don't want to see them and people would be okay with it because it's places where they're comfortable with and low maintenance you don't even have to wash them

2:02:00 but yeah it's real simple and get started thank you thank you uh Carol at the risk of becoming a Target I'm going to admit I moved from Portland to Springfield and um Portland I wasn't it wasn't safe to walk around on the city streets anymore we had kids camp down here in a van that were selling fentanyl for six or seven months and couldn't pick up any of their garbage the guy up here I would give water to when I was afraid

2:02:45 he had nodded out in the in this summer heat I had to call the police when I he wouldn't respond to my knocking on his window when I thought he'd OD'd a guy up here that I was trying to get help for came at me with a knife the guy that I had tried to help that I was afraid had OD'd then later within the next couple days broke into our car and our house to retaliate against me trying to get him help I've worked with Multnomah County homeless Services interviewing many many people I ride my bike and walk the streets and take the public transportation and talk to many people that live on the streets know them by name I have yet to meet one

2:03:31 that wanted to stay in a shelter or have permanent housing they can be found if they have permanent housing they don't want to stay in a shelter because you cannot buy and sell drugs in a shelter there are people that don't want to be found by abusive spouses and they don't want a permanent home there are many reasons for wanting to Camp if we're going to allow camping it has to be in designated places with services for people such as garbage pickup and sanitary services and the laws that are coming down but do not preclude us from saying if you want to stay in these camps it's going to take this many hours

2:04:17 of community service to be allowed to camp we do not need to continue to people and believe that they cannot contribute to our communities they can they want to believe in be believed in and some of them want to contribute and nobody's offering them a way to do that and I think that that should also be brought to the discussion thank you uh good evening my name is Stephen alfson I live at 609 Cascade right across the street from Jesse main Park I too am a copper bagger from Portland I

2:05:02 moved down here to take care of my grandson so I had a good reason to move down here I'm very concerned about uh camping in Jesse main Park there's no public restrooms uh it's a neighborhood park it's full of children including my grandson and I there's no way they're going to go 24 hours without using the bathroom so and I used to drive back and forth through Portland every day to work and I'm very familiar with how bad things are going to get here if you guys let that happen so I thought I'd throw my two cents in thank you thank you Chuck scarpelli

2:05:57 I'll be pretty brief um I only speak from experience could you state your name and location for the record my full name is Charles Walter scarpelli I'm a resident of Springfield I really think it's Folly for you to consider only at this time updating the code for campsites because what goes along with that is so much more than just figuring out what proposed sites will work to house the house list what you really need to think about is how you will fund for the next 25 or

2:06:42 40 years Sanitation hygiene bathrooms and all the mobile services and when I say mobile services I mean just that I mean services that work for the county and the city that are mobile that have to travel throughout the community to serve the needs of the houseless now you can qualify for federal funds but that doesn't mean those federal funds will be coming to you each year you have to sit down crunch the numbers and figure out how you're going to fund

2:07:27 this program that starts just starts with designated safe campsites for the next two generations we won't solve homelessness it's going to be around it's going to get medieval you have to face that fact and stand out from other towns having a program that is sustainable thank you uh Sherry B hi thank you my name is Sherry B and I live out in Thurston in Springfield okay

2:08:14 I am a retired realtor so I have been involved in a lot of the homeless around town I have volunteered at the mission for several years the mission is a very good program it really does work to help the homeless they go through a program where they have to detox they have to try to get out their drugs and they work to become independent and self-sustainable so and I think are homeless in my opinion want to help I think they want to help themselves and they want to feel like they're part of a community but when our community enables them not to have to work I don't think that helps them with themselves at all so if you're going to do something like

2:08:59 this I feel the homeless need to be responsible for picking up their trash for being involved and giving back to the community that is giving to them I'm in favor of I wish Springfield would start to reject measure 110. this is not just a homeless problem this is a drug and alcohol problem I haven't heard anything be addressed on that from the City of Springfield do you have anything I'm asking we're not going to respond to you in this we're just going to take public testimony a nod that you acknowledge it a smile that yes we need to acknowledge it would be great we want you to be part of our community

2:09:44 too we want to know that you're supporting supporting us as citizens of this community that try to give back so in my final closing I say we help the homeless become citizens and not cater to them I don't feel we should have to hire someone to pick up their trash thank you thank you Stan ger born and raised Cottage Grove Oregon or near 1947

2:10:30 we bought a drink for my dad would buy a drink for a a drunkard if he was red ready to pass out But first you take him out to get a meal they want jobs they don't want to be on their own they don't want to be sleeping out there most of them that's good and want to get ahead but they're not all the same your druggies are not the same and you need to look a little further than just giving giving giving I don't mind giving our Lord says the gift

2:11:15 but he doesn't say keep giving giving giving he says teach him to learn to fish and we need to teach him to work and those druggies need to get help and not be laying in my front yard or somebody else's front yard or the place down the way for one of our kids can get on the needles and die this fentanyl problem is here people you want fentanyl spread out in this town go the way you're going we'll have more drugs in this town just like Portland thank you Stan could you stand could you say where you where you're located now for the record

2:12:02 Springfield Oregon perfect thank you the 887 Main Street okay I'm gonna make I've got one last con uh card or ink lover I saw a couple people wandering out no earning all right Neil do you have anybody online mayor it appears we do not have any hands for this item foreign hang on one second do you guys want to make comments yeah there's another all right okay why don't you come forward and we'll sort it out

2:12:48 because if you've got a card I think you're in the wrong maybe in the wrong pile we'll get this sorted out we're gonna do it on the Fly here my name is Mary Zephyr I'm the store manager of Duluth Trading Company in Springfield Oregon and okay I'm here for the camping ordinance yes perfect go ahead so um I appreciate everybody who's donated a lot of time helping Camp you know people that are homeless and such but my story is just going to be based on what I go through um on a daily basis and my team um we're a giving store uh the fires happened we helped a lot of people with a lot of clothing we have homeless that we help gloves socks things like that but every day there's a challenge even today I had one where I have full-time

2:13:34 Security in my building for the safety for my staff um can I say that everybody walking in is is a homeless camping person no but I can see him in the back of my building I provided some photos where we've had fires repeatedly from campers uh you know we have firemen out there putting it out hoping that we don't have to evacuate I've had to bring my staff in bathrooms waiting with somebody with a knife again a bat a golf club a hammer and let them know hey police are on their way Springfield police has been incredible um they've helped us do some more camera work and things so we can prosecute when needed property manager we're calling them all the time our trash bins used to be a place to sleep now they had to spend a lot of money just to cage it off

2:14:19 then we came to work with power being shut off in the building all the time because the campers come down which had our power off then my property manager had to spend a lot of money just gauging that um so the dollar amount you know it's great and then they turn around and cut the locks so they can get in the trash to get cardboard boxes and such to sleep with and they bring them up on the hill and they sleep there and then that's where the fires and such happen so it's it's difficult to uh you know try to be a complainer when we love Springfield we're glad we're here we invite you all in come shopping but you know when you have an associate that you lose or they're crying because they're scared to death to go out to their car and so now we have to go out in packs even during the day to make sure people are safe make sure our customers are safe cars are getting broken into people are

2:15:05 taking naps in their cars employees while we're in the building that's camping you know so I appreciate all your guys's time thank you you have a big job to do this isn't pretty um but I challenge anybody that would like to come in every day and take a look at what we go through and I provided some photos if you'd like them um were they in our packet or do you have why don't you give them to Neil and he'll hand them out thank you thank you mayor thank you did you have somebody else with you hi my name is Patty I am a property manager in the Gateway area here in Springfield and um I have a decent sized portfolio that I manage of commercial properties and the experiences that we have on a daily basis and they are daily that's

2:15:51 seven days a week I get calls all the time from all of my tenants somebody coming in threatening staff they can't control them I mean a lot of times I'm on site or I'm near because I have so many properties in that area a lot of times thankfully I can rely on Springfield PD I have a great relationship with them and they've been very supportive the problem is they're very limited on what they can do for us they help us they support us they get us to a safe place but they they repeat and they're right back again I ask on my tenant's behalf my landlord's behalf

2:16:36 that things get to a better state with this cycle that has happened with this situation it's not good for any one of my businesses whether they're large or small I have people that don't want to go into a business because we have somebody out front sitting literally by the front door you can't make sense of anything that they're saying but the elderly person is afraid to go into the business to get a hearing aid I'm just I'll use that as an example it's just out of control I understand there needs to be a balance and I appreciate your work for this but I really feel like it's important for us to tell you how serious it is this is

2:17:23 needles every day this is species every day this is extra expense for the owner of my properties to secure them I've lost power on a weekend to big big tenants that I have it and I just say the big tenants just because they got into a an area where they threw all the main breakers off it created a large situation I've had a fire where I've had an evacuation on a business these are things that are just simply not fair for all of these businesses to experience and I hope that the council can come to a resolution that it's a better quality for all of these centers that provide business for us to visit a

2:18:10 better and safer place to go to it's very important thank you for your time thank you and I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing okay so um we just have some process questions and then questions about the code so however you want to all right two people have questions or

2:19:00 well first of all I I have read that organs very closely um I think you did a very good job writing it up I think I would it would be great if several of these folks would actually take the time to read the proposed ordinance and see that it is quite restrictive in a sense that it is as restrictive as it can be but manageable um as far as the sidewalks the businesses all those places are not allowed to be camped on we wrote that in there it makes sense um we can't just say so much for the state law we're going to disregard it we can't do it um that being said the only part that I

2:19:46 think that that in my mind which may change but in my mind that needs some clarification or modification is the reduction of the fine if it's on page page three of three that I seized on the draft where it says um the events of the section is punishable as a violation may include a fine of 25 and I please remember what what was it was 720 700 standard for a violation right direction to lower it right um so obviously it went very low but just so you could see right I think it went I think it went down a little bit fast okay okay um but I also want to look at I think I

2:20:31 think we have responsibility and a lot of these folks that they can understand and actually mentioned it and and even uh the gentleman from Cottage Grove and then was in Springfield mentioned it is that I think we need to look at okay how can folks get themselves out of it if you're in trouble for example they get excited how are they you know can't squeeze blood out of a turnip but I think we should give them an opportunity in which if they end up staying for more than 24 hours get a citation I'm going to recommend somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 to 150 and then have our court system system and look at and if you would please look at our the authorization or the authority of this municipal court has in regards to

2:21:16 referring a violator to the community service section at the county csw and the Sheriff's Office administers that in regards to for example so many dollars off per eight hours work or per full day's work all those folks that serve that community service are not just work out there they get sent to non-profits that do good work in the community and they can use their help but it also allows a person to realize that they can work themselves out of potentially out of trouble and not get that spiral going as far as failure to pay then we got a warrant and we got the police to get involved the courts getting involved and it just gets worse so let's give them an out and I think

2:22:01 that if if we can look at how we can get them out of the system then we may not have them come back are we just general comments no General you can make General comments you can ask questions go ahead Cory um first I would like to thank everyone for coming and I appreciate the diversity of thought I do appreciate the different perspectives I'd like to also just take a little time to um call out the work that staff has done to do this Outreach I think we've done a really great job of trying to get as much input as we possibly can and all the folks who took time to write and to

2:22:47 share their perspectives because I think as a few of you said this is this is our communities and this is our community's Challenge and it's messy and it's complicated and the more of us that are weighing into it I think is really useful um so I just wanted to just really call that out and appreciate your work Mary Bridget and all the conversations that we have had as a as a council to try to get to like how how do we both meet the requirements of the law and like counselor Pictionary said we we don't get to stay where we are because of the law and because we're trying to make sure that we are in compliance as best as possible and trying to bring um our our Springfield perspective to this for folks and I I think that it's

2:23:32 it's really helpful to have had people talking about things from a commercial perspective and from a property owner perspective and from someone who was formerly homeless and people who work with the homeless because I think it just gets to how complicated and how challenging this is and to know that as a few of you called out you know the expense of it and and we talk about this a lot as a council that you know what is our job as a city and what is the job of the county in terms of Human Services we are we are not as a city in in in the business so to speak of Human Services so we do have to work with our partners at the county and so our our legal um what we have to do legally around this with as much compassion as possible does not mean that we are weighing into

2:24:20 starting Human Services programs that's where we need to work with our partners at the county to say hey y'all are in the business of this how do we do this we just have to take care of the camping in public pieces and make sure that we keep as many people safe as possible so that's what I have to say thank you everyone okay anybody else yeah I would just like to thank both uh councilor pishner and broadly for their comments I think we all know this is a really really challenging complicated difficult conversation and the solutions aren't short-term I mean it's a long-term problem but we have to we have to address what we have to address today so um and I agree the ordinances is written in the best way it can at this

2:25:06 moment just to help solve some of these issues as to support our business owners and our residents and at the same time have some compassion for those that don't have you know a home to live in um and Mary Bridge I agree also too I think the fine and just kind of having to maybe a higher fine but also the conversation around how they can offset that okay we can if it works for you all if after people talk about that we can go we can revisit the fine and have some discussion there Victoria um thank you uh so I was really surprised when I heard people talk because I expected more people that were going to comment about how restrictive

2:25:52 this ordinance is and instead I heard so many people talking about things that made it sound like we were doing the exact opposite of what the ordinance says so I would encourage some of those folks that were talking that made comments like if you go the way you're going now if you do something like this um those type of things take a look at the ordinance and I think you'll be surprised at at it and I too um we talked about in our last session about the fee and that was a surprise to me that it had been dropped that much and that there was no discussion around the ability for people to work because I agree with many of the people who spoke about people maybe not necessarily wanting to but getting the opportunity to work because I believe that that's a core that isn't

2:26:37 a punishment that is giving people an opportunity to do what many of us know gives us pride and gives us self self-esteem which is working um and so uh yeah I think that you did a great job on this I just really want to talk about that that could be portion and then and I really appreciated the businesses who spoke I mean I know many of you were telling us we see it too um and so I appreciated that a lot of the businesses were commenting on the fact that what they're dealing with but not that they don't want to see you it's that how do we find a balance on this if you're going to want help you can't be dumping your stuff in somebody's property then expect respect back it has to be a two-way street and the business owners don't feel like they're getting any type of respect when they have to

2:27:23 clean up feces out of their driveways and have to do that so I think that that's a common you know that's a conversation we need to have you want the respect from the business owners you want the compassion then we need to be shown also that there isn't this disrespect for our community so all right I'm gonna make a couple of uh comments and then I'll let counselor Pictionary jump back in one of the things I noted down when I when we worked through this is just to remind and ground people in the fact that the current camping ordinance can't stay there is a major federal court case everybody in the western part of the United States is going through this as well as our requirement to comply under state law so we do have to figure out okay what do we do in a way that makes sense and prioritizes um you know in a very Springfield way

2:28:08 and I also want to acknowledge when I work through this uh when I hear the pope testimony right homelessness is a problem that's huge and we're only really talking about a sliver which is this question about camping that's relatively narrow so as we sort of talk through this you know I you know I understand that there's a lot of concerns and questions that wrap around the broader issue of of homelessness in the community I do have you know there were a couple business people that stood up or people uh from a residential area that stood up and just simply talked about what frankly is a crime right like and regardless of the camping ordinance regardless of this discussion today if you know people are feeling threatened if people are feeling attacked if there's physical assaults or going on

2:28:53 you should call the police like it's just there you know it's just sort of the reality of it is that regardless of dealing with this sort of issues related to unhoused right regardless of that person's status we shouldn't tolerate violent crime in the uh in the community now the one thing that I did write down was really what I heard in all the public testimony for um for Springfield was really talking about the importance of Public Safety you know the cleanliness of our spaces and getting people help right so when I read the ordinance I know we're going to talk about some of the details together right like I see the question that we always have about Parks right which this would maintain the camping ban and Parks

2:29:39 the question about access to businesses right this would maintain you know maintain access to businesses and more importantly you know prohibiting in residential areas now I don't know that we're gonna get everything the first time but I want to know that we were sort of taking a solid step you know and and how to go forward my view is that really if somebody's using this ordinance right something is right like that should be a temporary thing until we get them into one of the many channels that happen through Lane County that is about how do you get Support Services the things written in a way that is supposed to be it's nine o'clock tonight I gotta get through tonight and then we need to get you know get you into a channel that's going to get you the behavioral health addiction help the economic help whatever whatever you may need so

2:30:25 go ahead Joe yeah I was just going to reiterate that I hear the property owners and the business owners loud and clear and I'm going to reiterate what the marriage has said is that that activity that you're describing is Criminal this law this new law says you can't make homelessness a criminal Behavior it has that's agreed but the other behaviors that is affecting Property Owners or business owners those are protected and I highly encourage you to call RPD and they will respond to take care of it the best you know they'll get in most you know unless they're dealing with something higher up the chain and if they don't respond then we'd like to hear that okay so it's it's just a

2:31:11 matter of of we need to know where our lane is and if you have Property Owners you've got a pure property owner you got property rights I completely support that and I respect that we have we have a responsibility to allow somebody if they're not if they're homeless but we can tell them and we we can re require or regulate okay we don't want you sitting in a place it's not healthy for you that's not safe for you we're not going to let them go in along our rivers and our waterways that create a health or environmental hazard because of their behaviors of not using restrooms these different things are are really we're codifying that really haven't been codified before so it's it's nice to get some clarity so we can have a way in which we can react

2:31:56 to that right I think we kind of made our general comments right um You Do you have other parts that we really need to to jump into discuss give you some direction on yeah I think the fine amount I'm getting some consensus about the fine amount so the direction was to lower it from the 720 definitely lowered it but is it sounds like there may be appetite to hire to have that be a different amount and then second part of that would be enforcement of the fine there might be an Avenue through the county it sounds like to investigate um we could you could give me a recommendation for the find them out tonight we can move forward with the ordinance and then handle the enforcement of the

2:32:42 um fine separately you know that that could be one path okay so any good Joe I'd like to hear from others I'm I'm I think it'd be reasonable to anywhere from 250 down to 150.25 is way too low okay I think we just lose any any leverage hey thank you we're not taking public comment at this time and 25 is less than what we charge somebody to hand something out their car window so yes true Steve we looked at the original fine it was it would accumulate with people out there make it very very bad for them in the future and so we

2:33:28 recommended going down on the fines so it could be maybe handle in the future and so we we looked at 25 we said that and I agree with Joe maybe that's a little bit too low but I would say 100 but I wouldn't say over that and and uh see how that works okay 100 yeah I'm seeing people mad for this okay and yeah we can start there yeah and I think there is there interest in looking yeah you want to jump in yeah I think I think a hundred dollars is too low but to go from 720 down to 25 an hour I mean 100 I would I'm still stuck on 250 but I I think part of this is is the ability to offset that fine which goes into the

2:34:15 being able to work it off right but I think the amount yeah kind of factors into that I like okay okay so I think there's definitely a consensus about finding an alternative to a financial fine whatever that may look for the county it could be that the amount after your conversation with the community service program may play a role as to where we may land on they may have a minimum bar they may have a maximum bar but I think that's a missing piece okay so if we can find out what their what their pay schedule is or what their work off schedule is whatever it is then we can maybe have a more informed uh recommendation oh I can

2:35:00 hear I can try I will follow up on that this week and then have a draft ordinance back for you on May 1st um with the adjusted fine amount if I don't you know and depending on what information I find out just out yeah it does to me but we better make uh make sure we work in concert with our judge our court to see if they're going to play ball because they're the ones are going to assess the fine right so we need to make sure they're in the same sheet of music okay Victoria and I'm not inflexible on the price I'm just saying that the whole point of a fine is to deter behavior and so it has to be not so much that somebody can't get out from under it but it also has to it has to do what it's

2:35:46 supposed to do which is the purpose of it is to deter Behavior okay so I think we're good on that the other question was the survey and whether or not we were good uh closing it this Friday so that's the online survey that we have access I'm looking for head nods yeah close to this Friday thank you okay the clear on the direction so I will further research the fine issue we'll come back on May 1st for another reading with the adjusted fine amount um that can be so wouldn't be on the consent agenda it would be just a shorter item to address the fine no public hearing does that sound appropriate yes at the public hearing

2:36:32 tonight so there won't be an additional one and then um it would be a technically a first reading on the first and then you could move forward with adoption on the 15th yeah and I and I think with the amount of community interest that's in this right us having you know spending a little bit more time having having a conversation talk about it and then if something pops up in that meantime too gives us another chance to really look at it and see right and I and I am sure we are still going to continue to get emails uh the next couple of a couple of weeks yeah so I'll plan on getting those to you so you have those for the next meeting as well all right great okay thank you thank you next item please the next item is business from the audience

2:37:17 okay I have three cards for business from the audience uh first card is David Willis um please state your name and location or the record and then you have three minutes good evening I'm David Willis the resident of Springfield um I've worked as a social worker in the Salt Lake City veterans hospital acute psychiatric unit I worked with your acute drug detox their long-term drug detox and also alcohol treatment and community housing units I also conducted two major studies for the state of Utah Department of Social Services and after completing my masters of social work in child welfare

2:38:02 in the San Francisco Bay Area I shouldn't say I worked in child welfare on the San Francisco Bay area with some clients in West Oakland the tenderloin and San Francisco Richmond and even San Quentin prison I also learned my earn my license as a marriage Family and Child counselor while in Springfield the past 20 years I have been involved in the community in numerous ways and I've tried to support a number of volunteer organizations and including preventing homelessness by paying rent utilities and providing food and clothing to the generous donations of my church I also did the same for several homeless families to travel to the area we have a child who ran away was homeless attempted suicide and finally was diagnosed at age 21 as paranoid

2:38:47 schizophrenic we work closely with the Johnson unit other professionals and Community Resources and not a day goes by that our child doesn't have some suicide ideation and sometimes incapacitated by fears of what others are thinking Steve Mo knows my child and can attest to this my wife has been the main caretaker for the past 16 years with me supporting we have learned how important it is to have someone to support and encourage your child we have tried to create a safe environment for a child we have not had anyone other than close family to her home for dinner in 16 years because it's just too traumatic to have other people come in I doubt any government agency or

2:39:32 individuals could have done what we have done we have received many Tender Mercies the most important is that our child did not develop harmful habits such as self-medicating with tobacco drugs alcohol marijuana our child watches their diet and exercises and tries to stretch by doing minor shopping with a lifetime of professional volunteer and personal experience I'm supportive of the city council reviewing the camping ordinance and offer my services whatever they may be whoever you deem to be of support and to help it is important that whatever decisions are reached in organizations that are supported we and they should be working towards these main goals help people to help themselves work and personal

2:40:17 responsibility thank you thank you Chris McAllister Mr Mayor members of the council my name is Chris McAllister I live in 12th Street Ward 3. I talked a little bit about the orange a few uh earlier now I want to talk about home rule we are home rule City we are a homero city which means we have the powers to invest in our people and in our situations to see things that way we need to from the home rule League of organ cities home rule refers to the extent which a City May set policy and manage its own Affairs without the need to obtain Authority from a state legislature except who are preempted voters who reside in home rule

2:41:03 cities have the authority to establish their own form of local government and Empower that government to self-regulate for the protection of public health safety and Welfare as well as to license tax and incur debt in other words cities have complete local control except for expressly or implicitly preempted by state or federal law we have people here who need to actually be taken care of our county is Big we're one of the biggest counties in the state we're one of the poorest counties in the State per capita we need to own that our people are our people we need to build housing for as many people as we have in our freshman class we need to take as many spots for uh outside development and clown it with local development we need to consider for our seniors who will be phased out of their homes if you no longer take care of themselves we have an onus to look for government

2:41:49 dollars federal dollars and bring them home we lost our trees we lost our Mill rights in in the 90s we have not taken accountability back like we used to and so I implore you as public servants to look at how do we Define ourselves and not have us live asking for handouts from our County we give a certain amount but we do not give back as much as we take we do not cover our debts and so our people who serve here who grew up here want to know that when things change that when things get bad that our city has their back that's why I'm proud of everybody who's ever stood at Eagan who've ever stood for it and helped out with the food pantries Mr stair no longer a city councilor he

2:42:36 made it to over 19 activations he helped over 40 people Mr Moe has helped out with multiple things councilor Van Gordon councilor rodley you guys are part of the process that sees the decision making but we don't see the action here at home and so we need to implore people to not rely so much on County dollars and non-profits we're paid less than minimum wage to take care of people who are not able to be served in nursing homes because they're neither too complex and these are too much we can chase to win ten dollars we can chase the Cannabis dollars until we build it into a cohesive plan that actually takes into all considerations for all springfielders not just the people who can pay to play not just the people who would actually be able to deal with 100 200 fine but actually let's look at the people who

2:43:22 can't remember that they have legs in the morning because their mind is gone the people who are dropped off at Eagan because Alzheimer's can't get you into the nursing home those are our people and so I hope that we own our problems thank you thank you uh Julie Sonam hi my name is Julie sonom and I live at 407 South 4th Street in Springfield I was here at the last city council meeting talking about my concern about the garbage and I just wanted to Circle back um on that topic um I wrote on my card that I was here for health and well-being because I really think um everything I want to say and share tonight has to do with everything that's been said tonight already about the concern for the

2:44:08 community I did connect with uh somebody at willamalane who offered to um give support for a community cleanup once a month and they were very supportive of the idea like I said last time I was here there's four people that I know of that are cleaning up on a regular basis the garbage is a major problem I know it doesn't look like it when you're driving in your car but I'm a walker and I walk roughly two hours a day sometimes more and you really see it when you're on the streets and I I go different routes and it's a lot there are needles I could clean up garbage on the the whole route and walk the route the next day and it's dirty again the

2:44:53 next day um it's a major problem the garbage is a major problem I'm very concerned about it I'm I'm really concerned about the land that is owned by companies so it's not the city property and it's not Uma Lane property but it's um I don't know some the Quarry up by the Quarry rock quarry between where will Lama Lane has the Mill Race path and then there's land there's a massive Camp up there it's on the water there's so much garbage it's just really unsettling um then there's the um the railroad property and there's for people that build fires and that are camping there

2:45:39 and dragging garbage there and I found out after the last meeting that it was actually cleaned up by um uh Santa pack employee on their day off which really made me feel so grateful um but when you call when I call if they're not on public property there's nothing that can happen so like somebody was not on public property that had the things still on their arm and they were passed out and they needed help so I had to wait for Cahoots um so my my main concern is garbage I know it seems crazy but I'm a real estate agent my background is I'm a registered nurse and I just feel like people do better when they're in an environment that is good you know and it just it really

2:46:26 brings down the feeling of the community and I really love it here I feel like it's changed I feel like it just changed very quickly I've walked ever since I've moved here I've been here 15 years and it I've never seen it like this it is bad I'm really worried about it thank you thank you thank you um Neil do you have any hands up mayor I'm not seeing any hands up for this item okay we will move on to any Council response all right next item please next item is business from the city council item number one is the council appointment this is the interim award for Council interview deliberation and appointment and Mary Bridget Smith is going to do that so

2:47:13 mayor and Council this is a continuation of your work session item where you had interviews and then some deliberation about filling the vacancy for board four uh you can continue with deliberations or move forward to voting this is a little bit different voting than you typically can do in the AIS we outlined option A which would be as your name is called as Neil calls your name then you can just say the name of the person that you put the vote for you don't need to do nominations and we don't need a motion and and I want to acknowledge before we open this up for additional discussion there was a significant amount of deliberations that happened at the work session um and we went through our top three priorities so um I would imagine that

2:47:58 there's not going to be a lot of discussion and that we're just going to go straight to voting three amazing candidates it was obviously a hard choice to make does anybody want to make any other comments or would you are you guys ready for me to call for the vote any comments do you want to make good Corey um I think you said three amazing candidates but I also want to just uh thank everyone I think we had a total of five folks maybe um who threw their name in the Hat and it's it's no it's no slight thing to do and just acknowledge that you know these are folks who all the three that we talked to tonight were willing to step up and serve the City of Springfield and I know that regardless of who is chosen these folks will continue to serve the City of Springfield and we're very fortunate to have people who are willing

2:48:45 um able and excited to jump in and try to help solve our challenges so thank you to those of you who jumped in and applied all right um I'm gonna have Neil call the role and if you could just say the name that you're um go ahead and mayor do you want me to just mention the name so folks know yeah that would be um there were three candidates Beth Blackwell CJ Mann and June father Gill all right thank you Neil could you call the roll please yes uh councilor Weber Beth Blackwell counselor Mo Beth Blackwell councilor rodley CJ Mann councilor Doyle Beth Blackwell counselor Pictionary that's Blackwell thank you

2:49:32 all right so I have four votes for Beth one vote for CJ and it looks like our Ward 4 counselor will be Beth Blackwell um Mary Bridget could you talk us through the next steps because so the um item tonight was to deliberate and then vote and appoint the appointment is by a simple majority the next step is to um swear uh interim counselor uh Blackwell in and we can do that at our next um we will coordinate with her specifically but we could do that at our next meeting on Monday um and then her family can be here and then she'll be uh seated so uh why don't we go ahead and do that next Monday um and give you a chance to you know take a breath and have a you know have

2:50:18 some folks here um though I would expect some calls from the city manager's office tomorrow because they're going to get you a lot of information a significant amount of information um really congratulations um and we're looking forward to serving with you next item please any other business from the council all right next item please next item is business from the city manager item number one is the lease review for The Carter building Ali Camp is here for the staff report good evening mayor and city council my name is Ali camp and I'm coming to you from the economic development department in the city manager's office um in front of you we have a lease for

2:51:04 the Carter building site the developer and construction team for the blue McKenzie building coming to downtown has identified a need for what they call lay down space for the building of the building this lay down space accommodates equipment uh construction materials and vehicles and this is defined as a quarter Block in our downtown core as seen on the map in your packet um The Carter building lot is owned by the City of Springfield and it is currently vacant and there's no building on that anymore uh this is a resource available to support the project Logistics and there's a draft lease in your packet it's a ground lease since there is no building on there it's for a nominal rent of one dollar for the term which stretches from May 2023 to September

2:51:51 2024 which is identified as the potential realm of construction there is time frame language in there to uh kind of offer the ability of extension just in case construction takes a little bit longer and in case you're wondering any sort of additions or utilities to the site to accommodate this lease are the responsibility of the leasing all right are there any questions hang on a second lost my page I'd like to make a motion to direct the city manager to lease the vacant lot vacant property at located at 204 5th Street and and 422-450 a street previously known as The

2:52:36 Carter building but has been demolished and removed to Blue McKinsey Apartments LLC for use as temporary office space and construction stages during construction for the blue McKenzie site for nominal rent second Neil could you call the vote please yes counselor Weber yes counselor yes Council Bradley yes counselor Doyle aye and counselor Pictionary yes thank you motion passes five yeses zero no's next item place any other business from the city manager matter I just wanted to again I join with the city council to congratulate Ms Blackwell and um and thank her for applying for uh service to the city uh Public Service I think is one of the highest things that we could do it's why

2:53:22 I chose it as my career I'm very honored to work with the council that I work with and unfortunately the mayor was correct I will be calling you and you will be getting a lot of information we will try to make it as manageable as possible we're very committed to your success thank you and and be aware you're going to go way up into the next tax bracket yeah just just kidding that is all thank you any business from the city attorney oh I think I've done enough tonight all right thanks everybody we are adjourned