Springfield City Council — October 14, 2024

0:01 to call the work you did it too I'm going to call the work session for the Springfield City Council to order with a roll call Mayor Van Gordon present councelor Weber here councelor Mo here councelor rodley here councelor Blackwell councelor Doyle here and councelor pisher here we have three work session items this evening the uh first one is bicycle pedestrian advisory committee interviews was it true uh good evening Mr Mayor counselors um yes we have two vacant positions on the bicycle uh pedestrian advisory

0:48 committee and we received two applications to fill those positions um so tonight staff is asking interviews of those two candidates one is here in the room and the other is online um and then following interviews hopefully appointment of two new members to serve a three-year term starting January 1st 2025 any questions all right I think we're ready for the first one

1:34 hi Brenda Hi Well usually I ask all the questions since it's a little bit uh easier are you ready sure all right what strengths or skills would you bring to bpac so I think as far as as I was explaining to Drew I I ride motorcycles versus driving cars more often and so trying to I know it's not a bicycle but I kind of being more observant to the traffic around and trying to be more observant of where traffic is versus the bip and uh maybe be bring that maybe New View on that as far as out the thir scenario and have grandkids that are coming up and starting to ride and we

2:20 were actually at dinner last night talking about how they haven't had places to be able to ride out to how do you think work a bpack commissioner would improve the community as far as making it more user friendly yeah so making it more you see where that you can ride at certain different places and it doesn't seem consecutive through the city and it'd be nice to go from like thirston downtown to Springfield and to be able to take my grandkids if we've got bikes to be able to go and do certain things um right now if I wanted to take them anywhere in thirston I would have to get

3:06 in a car take them to a certain location to ride anywhere safely we'd have to cross Main Street to get to a bike path that I felt was safe enough to take them and to make it more user friendly that way if you could make one positive change to Springfield what would it be and it doesn't have to be bpack related if you could change one thing about the city if I guess I was as I was talking to Drew as far as making I guess I was thinking more of the bike paths I currently now starting to work in Eugene and I see the bike paths are they're painted and they're more observant you can see them better they're painted green or blue in

3:51 different areas and it makes you look out in that area and be like even if there's nobody there you still see it and you want to make sure there's you're looking out for traffic or people in those Lanes all right great that was all the questions okay thank you so much and I think it's Allan next do we have Allen [Music]

4:39 microphone we go can hear you Alan I can hear you guys can you hear me yep are you ready for your first question absolutely what strengths or skills would you bring to bpack um I have uh um worked uh volunteered and worked with nonprofits in our community um I also have experience on um as a board member and then also have uh worked on other boards and participated in numerous public participation um uh uh public participation meetings um

5:24 also my um neighborhood group back in Portland and how do you think the work of BAC improves our community um I think the work of beack improves our Comm uh Community um by enhancing the walkability the bikeability and bikeability of um of uh the community for pedestrians um which allows us uh just different mod mod of Transportation active transportation for getting to the places we need to go especially when they are you know within a close uh uh

6:09 close closer proximity to where we're leaving from uh sometimes uh being able to walk or bu a roll uh is a great way to get there if you can make one positive change in Springfield what would it be um you know I'm going to piggyback on um what I believe uh Brenda said um I believe that was her name uh about the uh connectivity between uh the east side of the city thirst area and uh the uh west side where I'm in um I would love to see more uh bike uh connectivity and pedestrian connectivity in our

6:56 city right great thank you Alan thank you so we have we have come back Drew it's two openings correct that's correct we have two vacancies and two applicants okay does anybody want to weigh in here if cor I support both of them okay I'm seeing head nods so Drew if you want to package them up for a regular session and then um get them on the agenda thank you sir we'll do thank you have a good night thank you all right the second set of interviews is Art commission applicant interviews with

7:46 Mindy good evening mayor good evening counselors um my name is Mindy Linder I'm the staff liaison for the Springfield Arts commission uh I'm pleased to bring before you two applicants to fill our two vacancies um staff does believe have has reviewed all of the applications and believe that applicants are um ready for appointment should you choose to do so and they are both here to interview um in person we have Jane bogs and Dave Henderson thank you Jane you want to come on up hi hello welcome are you ready for your couple of questions I am ready thank you

8:41 our why are you interested in serving on the art commission yeah great question um I'm super interested I grew up in Springfield um I've lived here my whole life and I love uh the area I love this town and I love the chance to get more involved in my community and especially local government um that's very appealing to me I love um art specifically I'm a I'm a very artistic creative person so it's something I'm very passionate about and that I could be very driven on describe your understanding of the role you will be as serving as an art commissioner and how it relates to work with a council yeah totally um what I have the from the information I've gathered so far from Mindy and um reading about the

9:27 commission online and doing some thinking about what I would Envision my role to be um I really enjoy personally I enjoy organizing events I love facilitating and connecting people to Opportunities I've had a lot of volunteer work um in that kind of capacity so I would love to be involved in um the organization of certain types of events uh to promote like art and artistic opportunities within our community that's something that's very exciting to Envision so the uh the I think the clarification is could you talk more about what your role is of the commi as a commissioner to the council oh my role as a commissioner to

10:14 the council yeah I mean I I don't know much but I would imagine that um the council creates a sort of structure for the commission and it's our job to follow that structure and make sure we are doing what you want us to what do you see as current issues and challenges for the City of Springfield current issues and challenges um I would say a a a challenge maybe that I've heard about um that's also have experience with is um getting kind of community from Eugene

11:00 over into Springfield creating um exciting engaging opportunities and events that get people from the broader area um more traffic over and I would love to see kind of more um more poll in that area again tying back to like the uh my passion for organizing events and organizing people I would love to create more connections and I think the City of Springfield could benefit from having more Community from the Eugene side of the bridge thank you so much thank you and I believe the next interviewing is

11:46 Dave hello hello why are you interested in serving on the Arts commission I'm interested in just um having a greater role in my community um I moved here with my wife about well to the area the Eugene Springfield area um like eight years ago and then we moved to Springfield um almost six years ago and I've just really wanted to get more involved in a capacity that's more relatable to uh my experience from the past and not just my job could you describe your understanding of the role you will have as an art commissioner and how it relates to the council no don't remember that question on the application

12:31 um uh in my experience with other roles um that I've had that we're kind of similar it's a system of checks and balances and we're going to have ideas that we run by the council and see if they are approved or disapproved right and what do you see these current issues and challenges for the City of Springfield I think one of the biggest challenges that I see for Springfield as with any Community is community engagement and I've seen Arts kind of be um tantamount to kind of bridging that Gap within communities um I'd give the example of the Springfield block party as something that it doesn't matter who you're voting for everybody likes to throw a hatchet so and uh since that's

13:17 taken off I that's another reason why I kind of wanted to get involved with the Arts Commission because I see how that power of art can bring a community together and coales all right great thank you thank you so we have two candidates two vacancies good I just want to thank the um candidates I it's really exciting when we have two positions and then we have two people I mean it's that's how I got started um was you know being on committees getting involved in that little stuff and being able to start understanding uh local government and that's really I mean like you said there's not much we can do at the national level or even the state level but seeing people get involved on the local level I really commend that I

14:02 thank you so much for being here and doing that all right anybody else or do we have some head nods about it yep good good all right and we got a head nod from Mindy so she's got the instructions all right for our third item we have the Springfield Municipal treatment Court update and if somebody wants to wave the judge

15:07 apologize no worries um do you want to go through the presentation first or do you want to take questions as you go I think questions as we go are fine and we're happy to just talk about the presentation have a Lively engagement with all the counselors all right then the floor is yours take it away okay so we are here just a one-year review we've had it's not technically a one-year review because it's October we got the Grant in October and we initialized the smart treatment course in February to March time frame and since then we were able to get a probation officer case manager a whole team that we're going to discuss and wrap around about how we provide services to individuals in the City of Springfield uh just a brief recap $900,000 end up being 1.2 because of a City match um number of treatment courts

15:52 throughout the country and we serve all the the misdemeanors in Springfield there is a treatment Court in Lane County but they are focused primarily on felonies so these are people that we can serve because in least in my experience Lane County does not want misdemeanors they'd rather have downward departures which means that people who are not going to prison therefore they're staying in the local community receive treatment so we have a qras with us we have a program coordinator Miss sel's position was created she's our treatment Court coordinator she works with drafting grants looking at all the data putting everything thing in and she put this uh spread or what is this thing called Power PowerPoint together because I don't know what a PowerPoint is but uh when I do it doesn't look very good but

16:37 I I'm gonna put that in my my next to-dos for the council presentations okay uh so started in January and basically we were we already had a a profile of who we were looking for this court was looking at the younger individuals that were coming in and out of our city that's because as everybody knows we had a big Target theft ring and those people when they were coming in you could see the sores in their faces you could see the emaciated bodies and we knew that they were using so we started a dialogue so people became more comfortable and as soon as we were able to get the program up and running we were able to say hey do you want to be part of our treatment court so one of our first persons um this his public record his name was Caleb Sloan he has a number of thefts

17:24 he's already been a doc once he was part of that Target theft ring and him and his partner we're doing that on a daily to weekly basis they'd go buy or they go take the Legos they'd go sell the Legos they would take the information they would take the money and go buy fanel so we targeted them and as we get to more and more slides you'll be able to see the progress just those two specifically had uh right now we have 20 and there's always more in the pipeline so 20 over the course of six to seven months I'm very optimistic about it's four to five as uh four three to four new people a month uh we keep growing and there has been some people who have no that are no longer with our program but we definitely have a pipeline where we're

18:09 looking at people we're having the city prosecutor refer people to us qra which is the dii treatment provider and um other participants as well as some officers um typically the biggest problem is that they're no longer they don't show up to court people who use methampetamine and oids don't have a great time ability to focus on time uh so that is the biggest problem I think that if we had a more captive environment which is why when people are in the jail we're very in we very are very focused on going to talk to them so we will talk about at the end of the slideshow some new efforts we're going to make to really talk to jail incarcerated individuals and all right we on the way

18:56 all right so miss s is going to just talk a little bit about our participants as she is the one who receives all the data she really looks at the numbers and how where they come from where they are economically where they are sociologically and educationally um so of those 50 uh individuals that we've screened since we began taking referrals in February um all of our participants are members of the Springfield and Eugene Lan County communities they all live in Springfield or Eugene um they're committing crimes in Springfield and Eugene but they also often grew up here and they could be um your neighbor's family members they could be people that your children know people that you know um so we currently have uh this is a outdated as of last week but we currently have um nine women and nine

19:41 men in our program so 18 active participants um and we've screened close to 50 so those numbers are a little bit higher um their ages range from 22 to 51 with the median age being 31 so on the younger side um they're all at significant risk for committing new crimes or not completing less intensive dispositions such as bench probation which all of our criminal cases are typically disposed as uh bench probations um they all have been screened to have moderate to severe substance use disorders the average age of first substance use is 13 years old um the earliest person in our program was at at 5 years old of first use um none of them began using later than the age of 18 um there have been multiple

20:27 previous treatment attempts and drugs such as fentanyl methamphetamine marijuana and alcohol are the top um drugs that we're seeing in our program uh many also have high social service needs that put them at risk for their recidivism uh trauma unstable or unhoused situations less than a 12th grade education minimal or no employment and involvement with DHS either for themselves or for their children and these things put them at a much higher risk to continue criminal behavior when we look at the type of people we're really targeting we want to target the people that are driving and have the most likelihood to harm people in our community so DUI is our main focus because they're getting behind a wheel and they can harm someone so we really look at that and it's also a very easy metric because anyone who's sentenced to a DUI has to complete treatment if they

21:13 don't do that we know that that's someone who definitely needs more help a lot of property crimes as I've already suggested and then every we have a few menacing harassments type cases most of the people have cases throughout Eugene and Lane County so these are I don't think think we have any cases where it's just one isolated matter so many of them are also on felony probation so really it's a wrap around court and these are the type of people that weren't picked up by Lane showing that this is a very important program for our and that the number of arrests prior to entry into the program is since 2013 um that number becomes important as we track how we're impacting those recidivism rates so between those 18 to 20 participants they've been arrested 145 times in the last 10 years

22:02 okay so now when we looked when we when I pitched this program approximately last year individuals who are currently in the Pro in our court uh are typically just on bench probation which means that I am technically their probation officer now I'm not going out there to check on people's addresses and seeing if they're going to employment or going to their classes so therefore this program is different because we have a supervised probation officer who can go knock and talk who can make sure people are doing what they're supposed to do do when they are in the program they have to do 13 hours of treatment random uas they have to call a UA hotline every day and there's a very structured established program by emergence and they've been operating with the Lane County treatment course since 1995 I believe and our team members have been to one and some of them have been to two national

22:48 conferences and we hope that uh some of the council would love to join us one of these years it's in Orlando in May which shouldn't be too hot but it might be but Disney's across the streets so there are there are benefits to going if you have twin girls and I also just attended a coordinators specific training in Oklahoma um in this past month to really help us make sure that our program is um meeting the best practice standards okay it's just kind of a timeline of where we're at just to show how individuals are progressing so we take Mr Sloan or miss wigel the two people are in the program they had um they're in the program and then actually they were part of the new arrest cycle both of those individuals were arrested and then we re-engaged them got them

23:34 back in a treatment now they both have clean days I think one is up to 45 and the other one's around 90 they're pretty high yeah yes um and as you look at the people we have a number of people that just have started to be able to provide negative uas and move through the phases there's five distinct phases all of different length in the program it shows that you have to meet increment meet incremental steps and it gives people kind of goals to go towards so um I think we're we have some other great individuals one individual uh who was reunited with his children he's now with his three children so there's a lot of good stories that we'd love to share with the council if you'd like to come observe us and also individuals now driving legally for the maybe the first time in their life uh with insurance and

24:19 registration so that's also protecting the community in that way and what what also this program does it gives an outlet because once you have these people environment they become a treatment family they all go to group together they get on group text messages hey I want to use they call their friends they use their sponsors they use their Network so it's really helping just creating a different uh type of network here for our people and by doing that peer pressure kicks in less crime more more um following through postive so all right uh when we look to towards the future we're up to 20 after six months we just received a grant from dot for 163,000 we are working with the Springfield police for medication

25:05 assisted treatment in the jail where they've just applied for a grant and I'm not taking any credit for that that's all Springfield Police Department excellent job working on that and I think that Grant is for 114,000 for the Springfield jail to provide mat and we're working with our fund Our Community Partners such as DHS who's very active Relief Nursery and others to really just provide more options I think that uh with this program we're really going to be able to help more high risk High need people and we're we're excited for the future and so we just wanted to highlight some of our current um team partners um so myself and the judge for the city um also the prosecutor's office and our private defense attorney we're

25:50 Contracting for uh as he said a dedicated probation officer from Lane County parole and probation which is not something that we've ever had in our court before so that's been a really great change um case management the Springfield Police Department has been very supportive in um sending us an officer liaison to all of our staffings um and officer Cardwell was also able to go to the um convention with us to learn more about the policing and law enforcement side of this program um DHS has been involved with us and we just recently added uh liaison for the medicated assisted treatment and all the treatment is done through emergence um and then this week or next week hopefully we'll have our contract with Relief Nursery um finalized for part of that other new grant that we were just received so we are so excited for

26:35 questions from councelors I know Miss Weber is going to Victoria thank you so much for being here I'm really excited to be um this program to have been occurring on my term as a counselor and I was looking forward to hearing about the program um I do have a question though about um 12-step programs within our jail I'm a little confused as to why that doesn't occur in Springfield I'm a volunteer with Lane County jail and I go in and help facilitate with 12ep meetings and um also participated on a hospitals and institutions um board and they have asked repeatedly like why did that stopped during Co and we could never get it we haven't been able to get it restarted again there are many volunteers like myself that are excited

27:21 and want to come in and talk to those folks so that they can see success stories of people who have stayed sober for many many years or clean for many many years um that may be a nice um way to set the stage for them to potentially look at these type of programs as well and so I would love an answer as to why we're not doing that anymore or if that's on the roles to do soon I'm very happy to provide what I know regarding that respect uh Chief sheerer and the jail sergeants we've had discussions about that and the jail sergeants I think that they're still navigating that program to see if can reinitialize it and I've spoken to Sergeant Clans about that and I can follow up with Chief sheer about some of the issues that

28:06 occurred preco with the program and I think that there were some problems that we would have to address prior to reinitiating and remembering this is outside of my role it's just what I've learned because I did bring this up myself thinking it could be a good option but it might be a sit down between you myself and the chief yeah that would be great because um and maybe even talking to the volunteer coordinator at Lane County that I work with because that's um who coordinates those programs I don't see us having many issues there I know the biggest problem is that women don't come to the meetings there's oftentimes I've showed up and then we don't have them because the men use it as an excuse to kind of get out of their room or whatever but for some reason women don't participate as much um and it is males and females obviously for the different meetings so I would love to be a part uh you know to

28:51 be a part of that and to help maybe see about getting that going because it's it there are people in this community that that want to partic ipate and want to volunteer and would be willing to help with that program so I would love to be a part of Joe thank you mayor um I'd like to piggyback on What U councelor Doyle is saying I am emphatically a supporter of AA meetings for folks that are incarcerated it is a proven fact there's a proven program that's effective I don't know how people can expect someone that is and as you said judge that all your folks have got some addiction problems and it's either going to be drugs or alcohol and it starts there and

29:38 I don't know how we can expect and I don't know how you can do your job uh without some folks coming into the jail going to those meetings getting their sponsors while incarcerated so that way when the jail door opens they're not hit with nothing they have a path they have connections and they have a plan from the jail and in in my mind and and I'll just speak from past experience I was a jail coordinator volunteer coordinator we held meetings AA meetings and NA meetings every week twice a week at the jail and I've seen successes and I know judge you're you're just the recept over here right now I get that I I I so please don't misunderstand me

30:25 as coming at you I just do not see it is in my mind it is inexcusable that we don't have it and if something happened three or four years ago preco which was what March of 20 and this is now what October 24 that we haven't resolved those issues yet blows me away so uh just publicly stating I have I I I'm frankly I'm I'm very uh I don't even know what word to use I'm I'm disheartened and that this not we don't had these programs for those folks that are incarcerated when these addictions got them there in that jail in the first place so again I think you could probably tell that it's very important to me it's very important to councelor Doyle and I think I'll bet you if you if

31:11 you did a a query to arrest the council I think the rest of the council would at least have some sort of of support there too so anyway thank you very much and again I understand your position I understand you're not in that part of the decision-making process but I think that you can absolutely help in supporting what you're hearing from the council tonight and bringing that forward to our administrators at the jail I have no idea who's at the council meeting now because I can't see but I think there's enough people there that can understand this message thank you yes I can respond also just hang on one second because I'm gonna I'm going to defer to the city manager since this is you know a little bit uh off topic from yeah no no you I think this question was

31:58 out there but I think it's about jail operations more than it is about court operations and I'm hoping Nancy can kind of either weigh in or get us some more information this week about it I'd be happy to Mayor and councel I I just want to check with councelor Mo you had your uh microphone on I didn't know if you were requesting to speak first I'm waiting so no no problems go ahead okay I just want to make sure I had all comments so I could address um Everybody um I I think we're all in agreement that is important to Provide support to people that are um suffering with um substance use disorder I I think we're all clear on that um you know the example the devil is kind of a little bit in the details um my history is in counties and in and in cities ordinarily

32:45 um even counties sometimes struggle to provide programming because of uh the fluidity of the people that are incarcerated any given time it's it's um often not not um when I was working in cochas County the average jail stay in the county jail was around 11 days um now depend you know it depends on any given time so take into account that we also have this is a municipal um structure so we have a less and severity of people that we hold in our jail it's pretty um unique for to City to have this kind of asset so um I think what I would like to do is talk to uh judge tyy and also uh the chief sheer and take a

33:32 look at um you know what the jail census looks like and what is possible giving the Staffing structure that we have and see if we can find a way to meet in the middle I think that would be helpful um and then maybe send us some more information through a you know a staff memo about what date you think it might get resolved by I know that there's a little bit of planning that might go into that but it would be nice to kind of get a you know at least a flag planted in the ground we'll do thank you go go ahead we'll get to Cory second on h& with the that would be willing to come in and talk that had been doing it for quite a long time with Lane County so they're not new they're not new folks doing it perfect thank you Cory and then we'll go to Steve thank you thank you

34:17 for your patience councelor Mo um thank you for this it's it's exciting to see how far we come in a very short am amount of time and I I just really appreciate apprciate it and I think um I appreciate highlighting the Community Partnerships because I think that speaks to folks being able to you know sustain um their sobriety if they're connected to these other resources one of the questions I have this not in here and maybe it'll take a little while to dig into is I'm just I'm interested in if we're making any sort of adjustments to make things more um like culturally accessible or because I in terms of the demographics you you sort of broke them out by gender but I be interested and knowing like do we need to have any language access do we have folks with

35:02 disabilities or other issues that are like you know cross pollinating with their addiction um and so I'd be curious to know if we're if we're working towards that to just make it more you know available or if that's part of the screening yeah so our treatment provider does um emergence does offer U mental health therapies as well Behavioral Health therapies and so they will often scream people for co-occurring disorders if that's something that's um contributing to that addiction cycle we I I believe that our facility is pretty accessible to individuals with disabilities we have um hearing accessibility physical accessibility we do have court interpreters for all of our regular hearings so far we haven't had anyone um referred to the program who is Spanish speaking or speaking of

35:48 another language um not to say that that's not possible we do have interpreters that we work with and use language line on a regular basis as well for um languages that aren't Spanish that are a little harder to get interpreters for Steve I forgot no no actually I was GNA make some notes I don't even have a pen in here uh I really support your program and then I talk to you in the hallway out there and you asked me when I've been down to see it I haven't I apologize I commit myself right now to come down there soon with my my cohort over there uh you said most of the participants are local people born and raised here we got be taking care of them uh they're

36:35 individuals now there's a whole lot of problems with theft in in the big stores are those organizations and those people if they get caught out there they don't come into this Pro well they're probably using drugs but they don't come into this program they're dealt with some other way if that person is um part of a drug where they're committing thefts and we know that and there's a corresponding substance abuse disorder those people have come into the program because we want to stop this cycle yeah uh the assistant city manager and Miss Camp we're going to have a meeting with the number of local businesses to see if we can Galvanize some from support for that because once we stop this cycle more and

37:21 more we're able to assist yeah local businesses grateful that you care because they don't think anybody does but I know we do chief of police and City man city manager had her fing her up I don't know what she's doing there me shut up or something anyway I'm done thank you Nancy councelor Mo I was not trying to to sign to shush you um I we have talked about our treatment Court in our team Springfield meetings and uh judge tyy and um is going to be giving a presentation to our uh Team spr field Group as well um so we are getting the message out and I would like to also thank um uh sub for the um offered to

38:06 give a $500 uh contribution to the treatment Court to help with uh um incentives for people to that are going through the program so we already have Bay in even before judge Tierney made his presentation I just wanted to thank sub for that just all right so I don't have a question sorry but I do have some comments um I visited the treatment Court very early on as you were working through building your process and and kind of you know just all the Kinks and the things that went with that um I was just very impressed that first day to see how passionate you and the the whole team are about the success of the folks coming in front of

38:52 you and going through this program um and then a few months later I watched a presentation at City Club and I was so excited about the data that was being presented to our community in that in that setting um and just I think any opportunity for you to get in front of our community members and share this this amazing program and the successes that that you and the teams are are having is something that we definitely want to see more of thank you I I didn't have any questions um the work looks fantastic um it it has come together quick than I think we all expected and I I do want to recognize the fact that when we were all out talking about the last J uh Public Safety Levy that included the jail this

39:38 was one of the conversations we as a council had consistently with this with this community was the importance of growing our treatment options and this is what you know coming through on that promise looks like so I I'm glad we've made the investment this material looks great the partnership with the PD sounds F you know fantastic and Lee keep up the great work thank you very much my only final comment is we we are soliciting businesses because the incentives are really one of the key components to treatment court and we have this if whatever you do come visit uh we have a spinning wheel that what it's called we have a wheel where if you're 100% you get the spin and you get a prize and it really shows the people we care and sometimes it's movie tickets sometimes $25 sometimes it's a big gulp sometimes

40:23 it's some candy but it's showing these people that each week something matters so uh we hope to look forward we hope we look forward to seeing everybody at treatment Court 3:00 courtroom 2 Thursday Thurday at three all right Joe yeah just a quick comment judge and and uh your partner in crime next to you there uh I went I went to the the original conference with you folks and went through all the different presentations and the breakout rooms and and looking at the process processes and uh really how what the best models are out there and I got to tell you you know you are you are at spot on Bullseye uh you're doing an amazing job

41:09 in fact from the model that you're displaying here tonight or show tonight of who all the participants are you're doing beyond what I saw there as a good drug court I think you're being a doing a great drug court and so you are to be commended for that work because you took everything I saw to heart and if and of that's been playing out so so good job thank you sir all right I think that's it for the questions um I'm looking forward to the next update thank you so much for joining this us this evening that is our last item we are adjourned have a good night everybody