EWEB Board of Commissioners — May 2, 2023

0:02 okay we will call the e-web meeting to order May 2nd we're going to start with an agenda check into moving on items from board members and general manager John brobsky I met with the executive director of the Eugene Parks Foundation because they are developing a bunch in coordination with the Stevie a bunch of different brain parts for children specifically in north and west teaching and um they are who have participate in one of their reviews in Santa Clara they're not

0:48 asking for funding but they want to tell the story they wanted some input how they can craft a story about water so I've passed on this information to print web um would help with that but it sounds like a super fun and exciting opportunity you know anything yeah a couple things um I don't know who's in charge of it but every once in a while when I drive by our Fleet in our yard when it's not operational I'm so impressed with the organization uh how everything is lined up everything's I mean it's absolutely perfect it's uh seeing what those guys go through every day so if you can pass on my compliments and observations of

1:34 whoever's going to Fleet and I think you're doing an excellent job of making sure that we have a presence that really looked professional and uh I think it's it's really cool to have that that image um great story last night on KCI about our water quality how we passed all the metrics every test everything we test for we Define and even things we're testing for we didn't find so something about the mini Plastics that we've been testing for over 10 years we've had the pound again so that was really a good a good article and then the last thing I just took for a city between liaison I know that they're changing code and and trying to encourage more electric vehicle parking especially downtown and I have my own opinion about how that's going to affect people downtown if they say only using certain parking structure and things like that I don't know if

2:19 we're in that conversation about if we do that then the only difference between a regular car and an electric car is a cord and that means they're going to be charging during the day and are we going to are we set up to do that or are we gonna you want to be in that conversation but it's coming they're too big you've got a parking survey right now and uh about uh how how you would want code change and convenience and all that thank you Matt okay all right well we're just um a few months I think that last work session may have announced that we attended the Santa Clara neighborhood association I didn't I just wanted to thank rod and Rachel for participating in that and doing the presentation it was a really great event talking to the neighbors

3:06 attended two major customer luncheon uh first one was more of the business community and then the second one with the non-profit and governmental groups I thought the staff did a fantastic job of setting it up they were both really well attended and I think we got approved back from them including that people really want to be engaged in the IRP and especially businesses I think that they'd want to have a pertinent but maybe aren't entirely sure where that comes from so I'm looking forward to the team kind of figuring out when and how we you know bring those kind of groups and that feedback I've participated last week in the kid win challenge which I see and over here

3:51 um it was really fun it was the first year I've I've gotten to do the interview process um I've kind of done this like I think three or four times and so this was a totally new experience it was so great to see the kids and I'm glad that we participate in this and give them that experience you know help from the funding and sensitive exciting also toward the Korean substation the site under development and appreciate staff and what they were able to like lay out the picture had great diagrams to show what was going to go where and how and you know we we look at lots of board packets so when those opportunities to really connect the dots it was nice and I hear I got the nice day because it was really rainy on the day they opened anyway

4:36 um and then uh attended the elkog regular meeting we had a report on elkhog services and it brought up for me that in the past we've discussed having uh Brenda and her staff provide a briefing to eweb Commissioners on what elcog does there's so many different things I could not even list them but if if that was an interest at some point I wanted to bring it up and see if if folks wanted that one had not maybe yeah that's fine I just wanted to make sure um something that you know came to my attention and thought I'd bring it up that is it for me and Frank is on the line or Rod is standing in I'm not sure

5:21 who is either of you or I I drew the lucky straw oh okay all right well thank you thank you Rhodes and Carson uh as you can see there was a number of items on the the GM report uh I picked up three of my favorites so the first one uh I think Bears discussing is the um it's kind of cool the if you get a chance to go to the website even right now we implemented uh a language selection thing and I tried Swahili and all kinds of different things and then there's a lot anyway you could go to the website select a language and our website now becomes multilingual so I think that's pretty exciting uh one of the other things to highlight

6:06 um is that we have implemented a shortened bill collection cycle this was a conversation we began pre-covered probably some of you remember that um but um basically um the the idea is to create a shortened cycle and help the customers pile up as much debt before they get to get reconnected and it's making it clear for customers to to understand how they're cyclists going so we can anticipate some higher call volumes perhaps as people adjust to that and and move into the new routine but we expect to deal with our

6:53 customers the other thing is then I'm really pleased about is the we received a first place award for the 2023 Northwest Public Power Association safety uh event as it's pictured up there um this represents a whole lot of effort and work and focus from this this organization uh again just on a couple days ago we were notified that we went very similar to pwa for first place they can there's a lot of utility as well so I think it just highlights the importance of that we place as an organization on safety and how seriously

7:38 kind of employees take it because there's a lot of abilities that were up against I think if you've done this multiple years in a row now we're both those are the highlights from my perspective yeah I'm glad that they got moved up to the front of the lineup because I was going to mention them in the wrap-up they're really amazing uh the award and the language piece specifically I'm really excited to see that especially as we're going into our DDI at work I think that you know

8:24 so next up we have correspondence we're doing this slightly differently this time we moved the correspondence from the end up to the beginning so that staff who typically have to wait the entire meeting maybe don't have to this time and can go home and enjoy time with their families so the items I have one item otherwise does anybody else want to jump with you all right well I'll step in then um the annual Reserve fund status thank you for answering the question on that you can actually the the recommendation in the response that we received in the pre-meeting questions was also one of the things that I was going to bring up so read my mind uh basically there's there's a note in there in the

9:09 reserves that call out specific projects and I stand here that there's a recommendation to remove that so I don't know if that's something that could be need to vote on in a leader time or if we can leave it in for now but I want to find out more about that recommendation if others agree that removing that language is I think we should do I'm in so so the thought with that was because as you had as you had pointed out one of those projects had recently been sold that putting specific examples of the project maybe didn't make sense and a policy

9:55 uh so rather acknowledge that we are Partners but that does that we have separate entities and if uh and if you all are agreeable with that when you get the red line copy as a consent item next month um if that's the way you'd like to see it we would include that change to be less specific and just acknowledge that we have Partnerships that are their own entities that was what it struck for me and like one it I didn't think we had it anymore and two could should we make this Evergreen so that you don't have to update it when these things change uh do others agree with that okay so looks like we have some head knots to bring it back

10:46 on correspondence there was um no comments about the resiliency policy anybody have anything that you'd like to bring up on the resiliency good first step to making yeah I would um I'm just gonna dive into the resiliency policy um you know I guess my my thought is that uh there's a some discussion in there about you know reporting on progress annually and I I'm curious what what that report would look like um I feel like it's a step in the right direction for sure I'm looking for

11:34 kind of the concrete measure so how do we know if we're doing it if we're achieving um progress towards you know resiliency which I know is hard to measure sometimes it can be very amorphous but I would love to see the metrics of like how how do we plan to track that over time I think it would help us think about particular places where people pay attention and it might help us sit goals in those particular metrics that I think would be useful for them metrics and be more like uh the guidance would be incorporating resiliency into a project and so you'd get in like a TBL you would

12:19 be part of the the project review this kind of things so I don't know as we would plan on putting a lot of metrics into policy itself but we would work towards the three different materials maybe there's uh or services or something where there's particulars that could be reported on occasionally with Diane so yeah so you're doing it more as like uh like a lens like the tvl of just the views that we look at the projects and the decisions we're making yeah it's more about things people to get pulled into their to their work

13:10 so we had Direction on the union Reserve fund okay great then now we will move on from correspondence and put into Public public input and I needed to do the facility awareness briefing get to this um thank you for attending this evening's board meeting e-web management and subject matter experts are here with us in the room at Birth week during tonight's presentations remote presenters will appear on the screen please make sure to speak loudly and clearly so everyone can hear you ants are invited to sign up at the table at the back of the room if they wish to provide public testimony visitor access is limited to the board meeting room and restrooms restaurants are located in the

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14:41 three minutes has elapsed with spending by telephone remember to move for the next after all testimonies heard each commissioner will have an opportunity to speak if they choose although but also we do not engage in the back and forth dialogue please note that the failure of commissioner to speak shall not be considered as supportive or opposition to any speaker's testimony the question is presented by speaker and the board does not provide an answer ID web staff member will contact the speaker so the question can be addressed at a later time okay and it looks like then

15:30 all right hey people it's me don't chase otherwise announced yeah Shepherd um thanks for your continued support without the support we would not be able to offer as many youthful opportunities for our 4J students it's been a pretty busy and successful year we're pretty much back to normal whatever that means um and we're you know able to serve more in our typical capacity not as much virtual a lot more in person but the virtual component is is Everlasting and a lot of people are I don't know so there must be somebody that loves the videos because there are a lot of hits on the video still so that's kind of surprising especially the read aloud stories which is kind of funny um so it's been great to be out teaching across the K-12 and it's definitely branching outside of science town I have

16:15 a lot of different um all different grade levels reaching out for climate education aspects in particular which is a really great development which I was hoping for um overall I'm just going to give you some stats so the stamina experience last fall we served 62 classrooms with 3234 students participating overall through second second through 12th grade and they had tanks in the classrooms the whole thing and then 38 classrooms with nearly 900 students provide the salmon watch strips and the salmon we're really happening this year so it was actually a really cool year I've been working with the district to roll out the love food not waste program and so there's an education component

17:00 I'm especially focusing on the water and land use for food and what that means for food waste and so we have implemented a K-12 food waste collection in all of our schools across the district this year and I've been helping with that I've been working with a group of Educators across the state called Oregon Educators for climate education and we actually put forth a legislative bill this year SB 854 that is stalled currently but we are have been a meeting with Senator debrao and we're planning to bring that back next fall which really helps support the mission of this grant because I when I was asked in the beginning how are you going to reach all the kids it's like well we've got to get some legislation so so that's how students and teachers across the state are working on that I'm continuing to do

17:46 a lot of classroom visits at the elementary level with a special form that they're filling out so lots of different folks are filling that out lots of return people from salmon and I don't have much time but I'll get quick into this so wind energy I did support at the Buffalo event 4J does not necessarily participate in that event but I do have a couple teachers across the district doing that and we had about 400 kids participating in 4J we are revving up for the EV challenge we've had to back out up from having the Big Challenge we just we're not quite ready to bring that back so it will be individual races in the sites and that was super successful last year we have 18 teachers and almost 1500 students participating this year in that I'm

18:32 continuing to support the climate Justice team at the high school level with the four high schools and yeah they've been Super Active with some things that I can support and some things I do support but I can't support but I support so so that's kind of what's happening there and and then just overall and I know my time's up but I'm the only one so I'm breaking the rules as I always do thank you for letting me do that um we installed about a hundred refill stations prior to covid and I we were only at that time able to afford one set of educational signage so we're going to be adding that to all of the waterfall stations which is really beautiful you may have seen it at Bethel Bethel is using our science also so they didn't have to reinvent the wheel um and then I've been working just with

19:18 leadership in the district just trying to promote climate education and adaptation Communication in particular but really today I let them know that we are wildly under prepared for the big one and we need to really be doing a little bit more with that especially with educational materials going home to the families in order to develop a plan and then obviously the education components which are coming up in fourth and eighth grade pretty regularly um and so yeah connecting with the safety folks and and that to try to make sure that we're doing we did participate in shakeler but more than two drills a year would be really great and not with a fire drill which is how we've always done it and they're actually listening so that's really great I'm continuing to update our websites and keep digital um aspects of the program happening and

20:05 so just continuing to go with the flow and see what's happening and yeah and then drinking water week is coming up so I put out some materials for teachers to utilize in the newsletter this month so yeah certain things so thank you again for the support I appreciate it so much for the update I mean of course really appreciate hearing directly from you what and I'm sorry I haven't been it's been kind of a wild tote ride and so I haven't come as often as usual and so I apologize it's been a couple months thank you any thumbs up okay all right we will close the public input session and move on to

20:52 here okay so I guess we we put the Libre decommissioning plan up to flip the other board items so there hello hello good evening Commissioners I'm Lisa Krantz generation manager joining me at the table tonight is Jeremy Synergy our labor project manager and Mark Zucker Our Generation engineering supervisor is joined remotely we're here to answer any questions you might have on the Lee Burton commission and action plan correspondence that was speculated tonight's board packet essentially this memo defines the action plan or the ldap of hopefully and identifies the components that will ultimately I hand it over to president Carlson and

21:39 to the question session I wanted to highlight that we do recognize that there are many many people who have specific questions and concerns within what will actually look like on the ground and um so we do recognize that however the ldap is not designed to answer those questions rather it's intended to identify the areas that converter for Learning and study and to Define the Clean milestones and decision points to get us there foreign

22:38 correspondence like some things can I appreciate the memo um and I guess he first thing that I would like to see out of it is uh this timelines on specific things from the forest okay you know so when we when we decided to go this path one of the things we said was we want to check be able to check in and see if there's alternative alternate paths that so I I guess my question would be at what point do you think that the action plan will start to put some sort of time

23:25 frames in on some of these specific items that are in there yeah so we've um scheduled the remainder of this year to fully develop the action plan we are scheduled with the word for an agenda item on the August session to provide some draft uh details of the plan the specific Milestones will tend to have some idea of that by August but in itself that we are bringing to you in December will include details the board milestones and places where the board will interact to either change direction um is a key component of the action plan so if you have specifics related to that

24:15 uh thank you for this memo here in the line of where you're headed I can't believe how many state federal agencies you have to work with and thank you for doing that because I can only imagine how much work is involved down okay thanks um I just want to say well first of all thank you also for the um Lieber conditioning FAQ very straightforward um and I uh for sure at our meeting in a couple weeks that people will have questions about a lot of those and my comment about the action plan is um just to be really clear when talking about the action plan but this is really a

25:01 plan to create an action plan um because I think that some people might think that there's already a action plan for decommissioning and really this is just like opening to plan for the plan anyway so just we we all should make that really clear yeah I'd like to think about what you said because there's some elements up there that when we decided when we decided it's going to start their like doing your fish hatchery you know if we cut off their access to water they're gonna have to figure something out and they can't just figure that out overnight it's going to take years to do and the Vitality of that oh there happens so there's things you know the bridge and all these other things we're dealing with ODOT and everything else so

25:47 the sooner we can tell them when we think we can tell them then so they can make plans because I don't think it'll change our plans but what it'll do allow them to adapt to a better because I don't want to wait to the bottom of the ninth two out and say oh by the way hey shattri you have no more water um Kenzie Valley deal with it I want to make sure that they have plenty of time to know and so the sooner we get going on that because we're kind of just sitting here that we're going to do it but it's to me it's you know you know what's a piece of strength that we have to Define this so and I don't hope we can give them some sense of that in two weeks I don't know what we're gonna be able to tell them but um you're gonna be in the front of the room yes

26:33 and I am looking forward to it I'm looking forward to answering whatever questions the public might have and in particular defining what we think we are able to actually accomplish this year I wanted the ldap will also be a set of essentially work plans or road maps for each of the components that were identified in the outline they will be our best guess at this point but it's something to work towards and it will identify where there's interconnected pieces where the milestones and you might need to do one thing before the next that's what we intend to develop this year there's a lot of steps so we're gonna and there's a lot of interconnectedness so we will do our best to recognizing that how this rolls out really does impact a lot of people and a

27:19 lot of agencies fish ad Hatchery is just one of many thank you for being at the front of the room you know we keep throwing out the 2030 is there we can say for sure that there will not be anything that assumption or is that also not I assuming shovels uh yeah shovels directly related to the decommissioning I would bet a lot on that um that's only seven years from now and that the amount of work that we need to eat between now and then with both the planning phases

28:04 and working with regulatory and other stakeholders is expected to take about 10 years we did have an initial meeting with the first division of hydropower science at a couple about a month ago or so and they confirmed that assumption that in their experience that's you know A decade is as soon as we would probably see actual work on the ground towards decommissioning now recognize that we will be doing work related to our near-term risk reduction measures between now and then so people will see activity up on the canal but that is the the beauty of Public Safety component that we're um to ensure that we can adequately convey stormwater between now and the time that that ultimately decommissioned

28:51 and last question are there at some point there's an idea have we seen any grants or anything that just kind of work do you keep um seeing potential there we do have some work to do in order to identify projects that are shovel ready or plant work the pieces of the planning projects or any initial studies that would actually qualify for those grants their range has done a lot of research on that I don't know Jeremy if you want to add anything to that sure I think you know knowing now that we are looking to decommission you know there's a lot of

29:36 dollars available from the environmental angle that we can be competitive for you know some of the late infrastructure components we don't have enough plan development to really be competitive for those dollars which aren't a whole lot for the whole country and they're going to dry up pretty soon but you know never say never on that but knowing our our path although there will be some opportunity to partner with other agencies friendly dollars for fish passage Etc we're looking pretty optimistic in that regard and just one one more thing to add to that we did actually have had some agencies contacting us our Regulatory Agencies contacting us wanting to partner

30:22 um projects for various grants so they're more helpful great yeah Partnerships good I don't know if any of you watched the lecture like a week and a half ago on what it takes to take down a dam in the state watch that and I thought it was interesting it to touch some of these topics and so um we can check to see if it's still online but um I thought it was interesting and talked about like federal dollars or kind of walk through the process what what makes it successful partnership with other organisms like other entities so anyway it could be helpful if you haven't watched it how long is it an hour an hour maybe a half hour into

31:07 speed okay thank you yeah I just had one other question and maybe something that I'd like to see as this this plan gets flushed out is where along the way and are there decisions that are appealable and and where you know I mean I I've worked in the news I know the land use decisions are appealable and I'm just wondering if that could be something that's put in here that okay this this uh approval by ferc is appealable and it's got a two-year window to appeal it and the people you

31:53 know just so we have some kind of an idea of monkey wrenches that can be thrown into these types of planning efforts uh so if that's something that you fleshed out as this plan gets developed for later this fall that would be helpful yeah and one note on that there are many regulatory processes that have a built-in um component to them and and so we do plan to outline that in the plan thanks you know we are moving on to the third action items

32:39 okay I moved to approve Etc second all those in favor well any discussion all right moving on to approval of consent calendar B the gallery yeah can we uh take a look at 2309 supplemental resolution okay all right um would you know we can pull that's fine okay just dive into that uh one second did

33:24 you have anything else to pull yeah uh ig6 okay so we have 20 23. yeah is that the annual price adjustment for joint use fees no my j6 is the energy for the city and Wetland mitigation purchase oh got it yes number six got it up there thank you okay all right so we approved them what well let's can would you mind amending your okay

34:14 [Music] all right thank you all right here we go okay now discussion on the items bolts Matt you pulled the first one and then excuse me I made a motion that's a good news to be a second second okay and then we need to vote on it oh yes sorry all right keep me in track here all right follow us in favor of the motion on the table um okay all right now moving on to the uh the first one that was pulled which was resolution 2309 yeah and I told that enough since I have questions about it but because it feels like uh passing a bond three million dollars or in some amount of punctuation to just I don't know somehow it's hard

35:00 for me to do that on consent without saying something um so because it feels really big and I know we've had conversations about this before so it's not a question I just want to acknowledge uh the work that goes into this to make sure that we have all our ducks in a row because it's clear for this memo how how much is involved in doing that I just want to say thanks to the team for putting together thank you any other conversation okay and we have we did talk about this at the last one which is again okay great sorry okay John I'm gonna talk about the other one yeah Karen um about uh when we bought

35:45 that side we dropped 400 Grand off the price for wetland mitigation and it was four acres not 2.7 I'm wondering are we mitigating all the wetlands or are we just doing part of the wallets that's a good question uh I'm gonna call on Scott milovich if he happens to know the answer to that if not we could get back to you if you can just get back to me on that because I know that we've learned should have learned less than what we did this out here and I just want to make sure we don't go down the wrong path on mitigation and granted right now or money ahead but I just want to make sure that we're not going down there so thank you very much you just get back to me that'd be great okay so I'll move to uh adopt IGA number six and consent calendar B and also

36:30 um what was your resolution 22 resolution 2209 Etc okay all those in favor say aye all right thank you I will try to adjust to the new Cadence of things having things in the different orders warm me off a little bit but I'll go back into it all right uh so next up we have uh General business items we have the City of Eugene liaison update and that's John and I okay well um you know we we had it it was primarily an update of the items

37:15 that we had outlined in the previous two conversations that we had um I think one of the bigger ones that came out of it was conversation around um actually the item that John the brown brought up which was working together more closely on um getting more charging stations across that seemed to have some interest there but we'll keep on top of that and keep working with them and as that develops um other thoughts John um yeah I mean it was it was the mayor and councilor girls and uh and Sarah and Frank and me and Sonia um one of the things that the mayor was uh was interested in is our climate

38:00 workbook that were coming up when she was interested in that and being able to utilize that to help maybe further some of the city's work on those same types of things so that was something that she has some questions about um and I think constant gross was pretty engaged in some of the things well we'll just kind of have to keep leaning in I think that um we put out there that we're willing to you know we're willing Partners in in whatever we can we can come together on and at this point I I didn't really feel like they had anything on the table right now that that matched with us but that they're open to hearing that I

38:47 don't know frankly do you want to go ahead the other thing I'm going to say well Frank as I'm muting is that I mean there was a general cohesion that staff are stations help but a lot of it is happening between our staff and their staff which is great that we have that good relationship all right yeah I think that um there was some information sharing um we intentionally solicited support um on things um like College Hill which we tried to give them some advanced notice that was that was happening we also thanked them for the support on our uh our bonding work um and so um

39:32 um but but no project from the standpoint of we went to them or they came to us for help on a on a particular project we also encourage them to reach out on energy and water issues that we were available to uh Council on different issues um at their disposal so um yeah I think that's the only thing that I would add to what president Carlson and vice president barofsky mentioned all right great well nothing else unless there's any questions and we'll move on to the annual strategic plan review

40:18 and it's like Frank is up for that yes uh president Carlson Commissioners uh good evening um this is an annual opportunity that we take to uh kind of assess where we are strategically um go ahead with the next slide please um as you can see uh this has been a living document we're about halfway through uh the original plan which was a 10-year 2018 to 2028 plan we've adopted and revised as we have gone along as situations have changed and Commissioners along the way different sets of Commissioners have participated in those discussions uh and reviews and

41:04 uh we kind of nailed down the fact that this is a good time of year to do it uh before we get into the budgetary cycles and reviewing Capital plans and long-term Financial plans and some of those things as well so a good opportunity to take a step back and look at it again so next slide please so you can kind of see um I I that where we are uh we're uh really in the second phase um of the Strategic plan uh we broke it into phases to try to identify some of the the key elements uh that we were progressing through uh to ultimately get to a point where we were dealing on the electric side with the Dynamics of supply and demand which are changing

41:51 significantly as markets and Regulatory environments and customer expectations change and then uh on both sides the water side and the electric side uh preparing for and dealing with the fact that we have a 24 7 365 obligation that we have to be prepared to continue under a number of different uh threats and potential threats and potential disruptions and so we're about halfway through and and in that process as you go you start to develop Clarity around different pieces of the plan that you're involved with and so next slide please so um as we kind of took a step back and said you know where where are we we are

42:37 in the mid game this is about positioning different pieces of the organization um as we progress through there were a couple of areas that we felt like needed a little bit further definition um it's pretty natural that when you start out strategically you start out a little bit more Visionary and as you're working through different elements of the plan you start to develop some of the specifics uh some of the programs and uh some of the the more detailed actions that you need to be involved with uh in the near term near term can be anywhere from one to three years and I think that what you're seeing here in the mid game around developing organizational resiliency

43:24 pieces a five-year rate plan is is something that we feel like is going to position the utility to offer for new products and services we started looking at resiliency specifically around some of the tools needed if the grid were told to go down for example on the electric side and then next slide please and then looking at preparing for some of the the pieces that would come as we start to put um some of the new products toward things like demand response distributed energy resources uh before you actually launch those plans you need to develop

44:10 the product plans and Define those products and set up your systems to be able to price those and promote those and position those with your customer base and so that starts to take place in the next few years as we pull some of the other pieces together like finishing the the Ami and the data handling piece of that the EES which is the customer system and the financial system those are all components that are already there and then you start to pull these other pieces together that we that we thought were um I guess missing elements as we started to look at the things we need to do in the next few years and then we incorporated um

44:55 um Dei into the mid game uh we know that there's further work on that uh I think that was more an issue of aligning where we thought there was some specific actions and programs taking place uh typically typically you'd like your strategic plan to support that the work that is taking time especially at the highest levels of the organization and with this governance and so that was where we incorporated that and then the final piece was looking at some of the the very specific contracts that are um part of uh putting together strategic pieces and there's a number of them uh listed a few there just as examples International Paper University of

45:41 Oregon's Sierra Pine which is formerly Seneca those are components that where we have contracts that are either in expiration or nearing expiration and we need to view those contracts as strategic pieces not just simply tactical contracts to extend but how do those contracts weigh into our strategic objectives and so to do that we wanted to incorporate those in the Platinum plan itself uh next slide please um the values are just listed here the only thing I'll say about the values is the there's a couple here that may evolve over the next um six to nine months as we incorporate

46:28 uh different visions that the board has in particular around some of the Dei work so this is this is not to say these are recommended changes at this point but this is a living document and so we may need to revisit that and align the organizational values that the board is doing throughout this year and we fully expect that to happen and then finally the last slide please um we're we are looking at having whatever discussion we need to have this evening um then um depending on the extent of uh the board's perspective of revisions we could either bring back and have um a consent calendar item in June or we

47:13 could have a further discussion in June um with a uh Incorporated adopted revision uh in July or whichever month is appropriate for after that so um this was our assessment of strategic plan revisions that we thought were relevant for this time um and so we're proposing those to the board for consideration and would also be interested if the board has other pieces that they would like to incorporate um with that just to I'll see if um assistant general manager price has anything to add I know it's a little bit remote so I can't read the room which is something I usually attempt to do um but Rod if there's anything you would

47:59 like to add before we open it up to commissioner input and feedback please go ahead and do that otherwise I'll sit back and listen and answer questions as needed thank you president Carlson yeah thanks Frank died you hit all the highlights that I was when he had action Banks and not seeing anybody uh just on 4.3 where it has just like the one that we discussed earlier having the listing of the contracts or specific customers well I don't know that it's that's not all encompassing and also it just seems like call them out specifically in the policies

48:45 that one because there's thoughts on that too we want to actually specifically put those in the interview or you can just take out the examples president Carlson yeah I I was going to say the only reason that those are listed is that they do cover sort of major strategic pieces so when we talked about resiliency and we talk about um major impacts to Resource decisions um those are the reasons that those were listed only as examples um I can definitely support if you want to craft a language like it is leaving

49:32 the examples out those are those are the ones that would be subject to that provision we don't have to list those as examples that's that's perfectly great feedback but that's the reason those were listed in the in the text for this discussion is that they all have pretty heavy strategic pieces and that's why Bonneville power Administration is listed for example as well as as a strategic part of the Strategic plan but that we we don't have to list those and is it really only those three or when it says Etc are there others that fall into that category that need the modernization order um those are the ones that were top of

50:18 mind I I think we'd have to give a little bit more thought um to if there's others or not well it's further's feedback on that or other things on that point I support keeping those specific um entities in just because this is a strategic plan it has a funny right ending and so um for me personally reading a strategic plan it's helpful to have as much specifics in there as possible or things that we can look back on and say like oh yeah what what did we do with it you're a pine or International Paper versus it kind of being more Global modernizing contracts because I'm sure there's plenty of contracts that need to be

51:03 memorized ongoing but these are ones that specifically will be focusing on I just have a couple of thoughts about the both in the mid game and in game just thinking about in our Workforce I know there are challenges there in terms of Recruitment and Retention I think I think everybody's facing this I don't think this is ufs alone but it feels like if we're looking for both flexibility and resilient delivery that think including something about the workforce and how you know the steps we might take to um to position ourselves better I think that would be worth including if there's

51:48 um if there are particular actions we have lined up I suspect that maybe that's just something to include here um and then the other is that our the focus on the resilient delivery that the 4.3 is largely on infrastructure so again I guess you know somebody looking at the um the workforce side but also just the internal side the steps that we take to make sure that we're prepared and agile when things go sideways again I think that things we're already doing in terms of you know emergency preparedness and um and uh and like practicing our you know Emergency Operations Center operations and things like that but it might be worth including some of those just um is there they're important from my

52:33 perspective in meeting that well for me whenever I look at a strategic plan and an updating a strategic plan I want to know what's fallen off you know what what goals and things have we accomplished I mean it started in the first slide it said 2000 or 2018 yeah so I mean obviously we had a strategic plan and we we've hit some goals we checked off a league bird decision we checked off uh building a reservoirs and some of those types of things so for me that's almost as

53:18 important as what's going forward it to me that shows progress that we're making progress so I don't know where that is unless I go back and look at the Strategic plans from from times from years ago or the last time it was updated so for me if that could be something I don't know if it needs to be in the Strategic plan but I think it could be an appendix saying these are the things that have that we have accomplished since the initial 2018 one that's what I looked for because a strategic plan to me is something that like Frank said it's a living document right well part of the living is is accomplishing what we set out to do and being able to identify that and say yes

54:03 this is what we've accomplished in these last few years is something that I'd like to see and I don't know where that would live but it it's something that I like to see when we're updating a strategic language just segment on this particular topic that John Brown series it's kind of the way hear what you're saying um it's kind of Frank was pointing out I think as Clarity moves in more detail goes into those areas and I think about the changes in all the changes we've made I can think about attempt to back whatever the definition

54:51 things really don't come off as much as they but I like your idea about what's being accomplished at some point I would like to see Ami off this strategic plan right so I mean that's kind of what I see in our other organizations that I've been to it's like it's not as as long a strategic plan because it's not as complex of an organization but it's like okay this we're getting this one and this one came off so we can focus on this now and and to me that that's been helpful in other organizations yeah um commissioner borowsky the the one thing that I would um would point out there's there's different components different I'll say

55:36 different types of components to a strategic plan a lot of the phase one work here was foundational and therefore things that you build upon so when you think about for example customer confidence a big piece of that was getting really strong budgetary controls um and and pricing controls quite honestly because we knew that that was up you know our stewardship of customer money was incredibly important to building confidence and so now now that that work is so foundational it probably won't come off the list there are other things that are more discreet I think an Ami deployment is an example of that which we will see over time

56:22 um sort of come and go in how it's viewed magically once you accomplish something strategically it tends to move into the into the Tactical um um continuation or sustainment mode so you don't you don't want to slide backwards but you're no longer looking at those elements as breakthroughs for an organization so there is some combination of both of those here the foundational pieces that will continue and then as we go forward you'll you'll see some of the other elements fall off I'll just a quick follow-on to that triggered my memory there Frank which is the Strategic plan and the impart is

57:07 tactically implemented through our organizational goals and those two keep falling off the list right so so hopefully we've watched the the plan the Strategic plan implemented through those organizational goals and change like our last quarter reports it's a good indicator event proposed language that's in there yeah I would just say I appreciate the proposed editions and support them completely thank you all right so it sounds like um probably can bring this back as a

57:53 consent calendar item then as is all of my comment about the removal of the international paper and we follow and such so it didn't seem like there's a support for that so we'll just leave it as is and it sounds like we can bring it back to our consent calendar Frank yeah I was going to say one thing that I I do think is is good feedback that we'll take a look at and that's that when we think about some of the things that are stated in there in particular in the phase two and phase three we I know internally we do look at those beyond the infrastructure pieces um commissioner McRae um how I I don't know if it's empirically stated that way um but what you know when we look at our

58:38 resiliency policy we are applying that to this to the strategy so um but I'll take a look to ensure that um those particular resiliency pieces do look Beyond um the infrastructure into uh Workforce for example Supply chains for example um and some of the other pieces that quite honestly are included in the resiliency policy uh Financial resiliency is a part of that as well so informational resiliency so I'll I think when we review it we'll look beyond the infrastructure to your suggestion

59:24 accomplished all right yes thank you commissioners okay we are well ahead of time it is 6 30 and we have a free feeling we like to keep moving along let's take a break now all right okay we're gonna move forward then so next up is the quarterly Computing operational report for q1

1:00:09 well good evening Commissioners and this nurse my name is Rod price I'm the assistant general manager with me is Karen galliard population's officer um tonight uh I'm going to talk a little bit about the the quarterly report and then Karen's going to go into some details on our Capital plan the good news is we had a great year last year and success kind of continues to roll on through uh through this year on draft with almost nearly everything

1:00:54 we're doing um I think that um it's so hard to even capture or do justice to this kind of conversation all the work that happened hopefully a quarterly reports capturing some of that um and I do want to just thank all the employees and all the support we get from the board because I think how much work that goes on and so this is just a chance I think some things there were a couple things that jumped out at me in the quarterly reports because as things go nothing is perfect before so areas to watch

1:01:40 this one was kind of interesting to me so the um the chart that was actually in the courtroom towards the line down there that um showed that the decreased slice generation output and we were just talking about the Strategic plan and the Strategic plan talks about Frank talks about this a lot synchronizing load with with our supply and one of the things I found it was really interesting and it was about the lack of moisture snowpack and whatnot in the Columbia Basin which is if you look at that uh map on the right hand side of the slide there those colors represent uh precipitation in River bases

1:02:27 that's over the last six months roughly and so what you see there yellow and orange are not necessarily good those are what you will average so that represents a lack of moisture in our Hydro systems and therefore and lack of available generation to sell on the wholesale markets and so even though we we had a pretty cool in wet spring down here things are looking a little different there and so again going back it really illustrates I think that the for those and the generation are both Tides climate heavily influenced by by weather so which is contrasting in some areas of

1:03:12 the country that will have that so people's all those kind of things so anyway that sort of just struck me as as interesting uh there's a more detailed explanation for the Commissioners on the ins and outs of the money and so forth in the memory the other thing is uh something to keep an eye on is is inflation and his cousin supply chain the commissioner Carlson noted that three years ago and um so those are impacting our short compared to him but it's for sure and hopefully not the long-term ones but nonetheless they are impacting budgets this year and projects so a couple items

1:03:59 um a few other areas to watch compliance um you know I think we we've talked Liebert to death but that's in some ways the compliance thing but compliance damn safety issues continue to play the RN Trail rich and some of the work that's going on up there with re-licensing for instance Frank and I were just talking about the challenges of compliance also is not just the the assets themselves but the complexity of dealing with paperwork um in the efforts in time it takes um and it's uh of course it's not those efforts aren't shrinking growing and so um one of the things that impacts that is is availability of Workforce and so um a number of areas including compliance we were short on

1:04:45 especially professional workers to help us deal with some of these things so um I think the the other area of to watch and and um which I think has has been apparent we've been talking about aging systems especially in electric um is its impacts on reliability so I have to go look at the current substation and what that was for instance but a number of areas that we need to reinvest in the system we do it fast enough so that's a good question that I'm going to turn it over to Karen to to answer I'm not quite sure I'm going to answer that question exactly I didn't set you

1:05:31 up very good uh but I did want to start off talking about Capital wet your appetite for it because tonight we're going to talk about what's happening with capital right now currently next month you're going to hear from Rod and Frank about assumptions and constrictions that we have on Capital planning for 2024 in that next 10-year plan and then in July we'll come to you with some requests for funding along with um long-term financial plan so for right now I want to thank Tyler nice who's in the back of the room as my support tonight helped provide these slides and then Wally McCullough is online as well supporting with the more information so they can answer the detailed questions that you may have and I'm going to go over the general so

1:06:20 so uh just briefly wanted to give an overview about what goes on with catapult planning as you know we are stewards of our communities 1.3 billion dollars worth of assets and we have to maintain them rehabilitate or replace them so through that we have much to consider and you can see just a few of those considerations here on this slide but even as we plan and execute manufacturers can bump our plans off track we'll talk a little bit about that tonight starting out this is q1 report and uh it's early in the year before our full-blown construction season begins and we continue to experience some challenges and uncertainty with Staffing costs is supply chain Etc so I'm going to try to point out some of those challenges throughout this presentation and we'll discuss some of the mitigation

1:07:05 measures that we are taking just as a reminder we have two ways to categorize our capital projects we have type one two and three you can see here on the screen you've seen that before and in our reporting and that's really the the what are we doing and what's it going to cost and the other way to categorize is really about the why are we doing it so the compulsory the risk-based and the Strategic pieces to that and we'll talk about both so first off starting out with water our 2023 spending we are through q1 we have spent 8.6 million which is 27 of the budget um we are predicting at year end to be

1:07:51 over at 115 spent and some of the primary reasons for that include our Hilliard Street transmission main project came in higher than anticipated because of material and construction costs and that is a two-year project we also have higher costs for our eweb Enterprise Solutions project which you've heard a lot about as well modernizing our computer systems that's not exactly an overage but it is moving money forward in the plan versus spreading it out over time so pre-funding some of that work that has projected to set our budget off a little bit there and then also on a Riverfront transmission main project closing that work out which I will talk about in

1:08:36 another slide but over overall for water the 10-year CIP is about the same as last year at 340 million we continue to focus on strengthening the resilient spine and we do have some minor schedule updates to that um this could change based on our Master planning which is coming up working on that this year finalizing next year and it could also change based on what happens with our bertelson permitting that burst and project costs that we are working on right now I heard about earlier so with water we have compulsory and risk-based projects at our Hayden Bridge plant and also within transmission and distribution and this slide outlines some of those so our filtered water pump

1:09:22 station variable frequency drive replacement work and skater replacement taking three disparate scada systems and modernizing that into one is happening right now um we also continue to have emergent work as does electric side and customer driven service work that um hits on this we have transmission work that's happening as well and let's see if I can show you here uh finishing the Hilliard work and also beginning at the riverfront phase project this is phase three this is Riverfront coming down here main replacement transmission main replacement and going down belard so that project is happening and that is part of our resilience buying work uh we continue to increase mean replacement

1:10:08 investment that does directly tie to our resiliency and that can be thrown off track or bumped up in in priority based on city work City street projects and so that becomes compulsory for us and we have to coordinate with City work that's happening and of course we have Ami deployment which we were talking about earlier uh then yes we all would like to finish that project and get that one off the list and it has been hindered by our supply chain though in water we do continue deployment I just wanted to mention to the contractors are also having a hard time finding people as are we their costs are going up we aren't getting as many bids as we used to so that is one of our constraints to be on with water and additional

1:10:53 compulsory work uh and risk-based work we we are working um very well and having continued success on our East 40th Reservoir sites that project is our largest project in water and it is on schedule and on budget so we're pretty pleased about that that is putting us in line to take our College Hill Reservoir off line by the end of this year as required by the Oregon Health Authority and then construction on that tank or I should say those tanks demolishing and rebuilding at that site will begin in 2024 and last for a few years um also included are pump stations Highland Drive and our upper level storage projects and you did approve a consent item tonight for our Shasta 975

1:11:38 reservoirs that need replaced as well so the work is never ending a lot of work happening um and then future work at Hawkins and Santa Clara is under evaluation as well based on what happens with the outcome of the master plan and what we can do with once we get College Hill online what can we take off and work on next so more to come and then finally on the Strategic end for water we have our second drinking water treatment plant a project that is happening I think they're pretty well versed in what's happening there at another meeting today with the City of Springfield with your land use approval process and working on land use development code amendments so that work is ongoing as well as permitting for

1:12:24 in-water work on our intake and we're working with Consultants on that trying to get everything in line that is a very lengthy process for us so at the same time we're taking a look at our preliminary designs for that intake and doing some value engineering on that to make sure we stay on track with our schedule uh what's not shown here is emergency water stations and I want to point out that President Carlson did ask a good question about the status of those that's in your q a in your board packet and encourage you to take a look at that we are intending to wrap up those projects this year you're on track with that moving on to electric our spending outlook here for type 1 2 and 3 at the end of q1 we're 14 spent at

1:13:13 10.5 million at the end of the year right now we're projecting a 95 spend so with that comes a bit of an overage for type one and two we're projecting 110 a budget with type 3 projected at 69 percent uh budget there's a lot of uncertainty that goes on with these projects as well that some of which we've already talked about but just being early in the season that is why you're seeing a bit of a lower spend amount and that will ramp up with construction season uh there's a few things in your board packet I wanted to point out so underground cable replacement it's we're planning on initiation of field work for that but it's depending on internal Staffing and continued availability of the cable pulling equipment so some

1:13:59 constraints possibly there distribution Transformers right now we have projected our spending on 2022 but early 2023 pricing and availability shows this Market is still volatile so um you know we may see challenges on that uh and then current rebuild construction's ongoing and we're making planned progress however our switch gear has experienced a delay due to manufacturing which may push some of that spending into early 2024. so things may continue to change there so talking about on the electric side our compulsory work this is our emergent work from equipment failures one of those was the Westmoreland substation

1:14:44 regulator replacement that work is complete we are working on in progress right now Hayden Bridge substation breaker and relay replacement our River Road substation Transformer Replacements planned for Q3 and we have ongoing customer driven work which has been hindered by staff turnover and there is a bit of stress behind that in trying to meet customer demands customer our desire to be good stewards and responsive to our customers so we'll talk about that here at the end presentation a little more risk-based work we have talked about the current substation and I I just wanted to mention um there's a kind of a nice tagline out there now about our 10 substations rebuilt in 10 years goal but that too is

1:15:33 has a lot of contingencies on it and you know it's pretty touchy I think I like the idea of it but um we're ramping up for that now but some of that work is also dependent on Staffing and we have some staff turnover in that electric Engineering Group as well absolutely more to come we are working on the Thurston transmission tab rebuild our downtown Network Vault rebuilds and then we mentioned earlier I think Rob mentioned our carbon generator rewind project which is in progress and that too has been hindered by problems with some manufacturing um effective parts that has caused us to to get in some serious conversations about contracts with our contractor on that and that has resulted in a number

1:16:20 of delays as well we are hoping for that first unit to be commissioned by the end of August but it has not been without its challenges on the Strategic side we are prepping for future loads our Burleson substation reconfiguring projects underway we are still working and planning on Ami deployment latest that I've heard is meters coming in November we'll believe it when we see it and we have something a little more firm but ramping up planning for that is happening now through Q3 hopefully they come in before and we begin deployment again in January there is work happening with Transformer seismic anchoring that's an ongoing

1:17:06 program will be for some time and then I will say it's never too much to talk about Lieber I don't think we can ever talk it to death there's so much detail there so of course we're planning as you heard earlier about the Libra decommissioning action plan lots of interest there last but not least we have shared services projects you have heard about the eweb EES program kicking off and uh more is happening there we've also talked about the bertelson operations center again design and permitting and our mitigation credits we'll get back to you on that commissioner Brown uh I wanted to mention uh headquarters fourth floor Network moves that was a really really big project that took many staff many

1:17:53 hours to get our Network out of that fourth floor which just happened here very recently so I want to thank staff for that a lot of planning a couple years of worth of planning and execution and then ongoing Fleet procurements which you also saw in tonight's consent items and just for information the split here is 76 on electric and 24 on water in terms of the cost share for that one more slide that is going back to our Capital plan risks and mitigation so we talked a lot about the challenges in Staffing and in supply chain but um and none of those are new we've been talking about them for several years now but I did want to highlight some of the wins that we've had which we do believe we've

1:18:39 had some recruiting success on the IBEW now that we've got the new collective bargaining agreement in place we have seen some good routes there I think that has a result of that work there's been an increase in advertising and targeted Communications a few of us are out literally shaking the trees getting some candidates to apply for some of these specialized positions and and some arm twisting um and then we do continue to focus on those entry-level Landing spots for people to get in here and then try to develop them definitely as they move prayers on the supply chain side the good news is we are leveraging Cooperative contracts as best we can we have had increased Communications around bids and

1:19:24 upcoming work shaking the trees literally on those projects trying to get people to come out and bid on them and then even going as far as looking at new standards and designs as a way to creatively address the situation and the pure different equipment that might be available Ami is an example we have a few in others in electric and water both that we've had we've had differing success on so far but we are trying some new things to try and get around supply chain issues so with that I will open it up to questions for Rod and I and others

1:20:10 I have a question about Ami and um I can't I can't remember where we should have been at this point if there hadn't been I mean issues but my question is um How does the Throwdown of the Ami effect um like our five-year rate design that we're going to be talking about in the next year and um service because my understanding is that we should have been further along with AMI and maybe talking about like a second generation of Ami eventually that would be able to handle more complicated things so how does all that play together its short answer is um cure it impacts it because we're missing information and knowledge right

1:20:55 um I think another twist in complication and it is the previous CIS replacement project and so now we're moving into the es kind of program which uh so we're probably a couple of years away from being able to the leaders provide the inputs but the back end it what makes it all together I know um yeah it's not a place where we want to be done but um but I think we still have a lot of the way on on the second generation like

1:21:46 depending on the the water shortage of the Columbia Basin is what 70 percent of normal plus or minus and so that really affects our contribution margin and things such as that so if wholesale prices don't stay as strong as they are now then that's what's saving aside that's my understanding what happens because they're pretty volatile I need to be extremely vulnerable and uh what happens to uh to this budget and these plans and things that if we use that support we're getting up with them a short answer does Frank want to answer that okay I thought we thought I'll leave the short answer because death talked about Reserve transfers earlier correspondence go ahead yeah president Brown's it's it's actually uh a good question that we we

1:22:32 start to when we look at risk um on the wholesale side that's one of the things we look at when we're targeting reserves and the different scenarios now there's a few things that actually um low water generally drives demand which then drives up prices so there's a little bit of a linkage between the fact that under low water conditions you can have um higher prices and so it is natural that you might expect to see when you're having restrictions on the supply side that you would have strong prices and that's kind of a supply and demand piece we're also continuing to see high natural gas prices which drives in many ways the marginal price on the wholesale

1:23:18 market so at least this year the projection is that strong prices will continue and we because we trade out into the future we are seeing strong prices into the future which is which is supports um that conclusion if for some reason there was a disconnect between the economic logic that I just described we do budget very conservatively as you know our contribution margin risk factor does take prices and water into account and so um but we've we've never had to tap into the power Reserve but it is there but right now it looks like the the the basics of Economics is supporting that prices will remain at a high level

1:24:05 throughout this low water period in my second part my question is that I know we're at your challenge right now because my ears ringing about once a week about how long it takes you women do something for private sector as you know um and that's given this so and we undertake the largest construction project at eweb's history and we're strapped with limited number of technical experts and expertise what's going to give is our project going to give or is it by the sector going to give and wait because right now they're waiting and if it exacerbates it because we have all our staff working on lieberg what are we going to do how are we going to how are we going to address people that want to do Economic Development

1:24:53 I understand your question what you're talking about as connections and in building yeah because yeah kind of like that example on High Street that we have that works gonna take two or three months just to tell us what we need to do yeah in general those are different interesting planning staffs not that we're not shorten both but um Economic Development um that priority is connecting customers so after that then it's a challenge to get people trained up and um processes looked at and some of these things and so Karen's entirely are needing some efforts into Rising that situation example thank you I'll just add too on on that end that

1:25:40 compliance is also a concern for us with that Staffing on service requests that's the same group who's dealing with PVC compliance that's dealing with our customer driven work so we are trying to take a look at that pretty closely and prioritize what's reasonable cue length for customer to wait versus maybe what they're used to could be two different things and where does the compliance go how important is that okay thank you all right we'll jump in on kind of on the Staffing side of it I'm glad to see that there's some other options that are kind of making some Headway I just wondered if as I was looking at

1:26:27 it are we interested in doing some more training but it sounded like that was kind of what we're looking at we're bringing on some of the other staff and saying okay we'll bring you on as more of an entry level but we recognize that your heart continued some help and assistance to get to a place where we can develop you to this for this position or that is what's happening that is part of our strategy but it is putting pressure on our senior staff absolutely they don't have time to do your projects and train all the new people you know it's pretty overwhelming so we are looking at what we can contract for example and where that makes sense but even Contracting takes

1:27:12 time from staff and yep everything in between basically there any Partnerships that we could I mean again that also takes away staff time but working with the I know we IBEW specifically has a training program but universities have we had programs like that in the past are there things that we can be partnering with them to do to like do that training and get people to a place where we hired them right off of that you do partner with them for internships there's a number of internships that we offer that kind of at least lets us try them out and try us out

1:27:57 but I'll speak on the water the school where we got a lot of our people from closed at LBCC that make it through covet basically and now there's only one school a Clackamas and everybody competes students so there may be opportunities in the future but right now there isn't a real desire on the School of Art to help us so a lot of the utilities are looking at their own internship programs to figure out might raise somebody from the ground up so we'll see see right here we need some of that work and they're also re-envisioning what they're doing because they've had a laws since or not staff but students so

1:28:44 we just happen to have any web Commissioners anyway okay formerly web conditioner oh Frank yeah I was I was going to say that um there's you know from a staffing perspective I think that this is um this is wide enough and deep enough that the organization is going to have to look at this separately from a near-term tactical response approach which is where you look at plugging your gaps but ultimately we have to look at this as how do we organically grow Talent um or create the the pool I'll say the

1:29:29 farm club for that talent and so this is not an issue that's going to be solved by us you know by by going out in the next few months and and trying to plug some holes we're going to have to do that where we can and prioritize but we're going to have to look at this as as maybe a more strategic issue to the point that commissioner McRae brought up earlier a relative to the Strategic plan if you look at really strong organizations they develop a Workforce strategy and I think that we as an industry not just eweb we as an industry have to look at it that way um and it's gonna it's gonna have to be something that we invest in and build a foundation for so um that's something that um we're

1:30:14 starting to put together a kind of a work I'll call it an assessment of the workforce um which includes not just eweb but the sort of external uh pieces to that um so you'll see some plugging of gaps here and there but ultimately this is going to be something that's going to take a bit longer from an industry perspective including eweb um I I did want to also weigh in on commissioner um schlossberg's question around Ami there's a number of strategic components that have to come together for us to be able to start to synchronize supply and demand and provide products and services for customers that on both the water and the electric side Ami was a piece of that the the hardware part the

1:30:59 deployment part did I'll say put us about a year and a half behind I I think probably two years on on that particular element a real important date and a time frame for pulling together and launching new products and services is probably going to be in the 2026 kind of time frame so that means EES that means our understanding of data and means um understanding of resources around irps um it you know including Ami I think if those pieces come together in the 2526 kind of time frame will still be within uh the window that's going to be effective for this strategic plan just to give you a little bit of time frame feedback

1:31:44 thank you president Carson I had two other quick um I noticed in the Cyber in the briefing that was related to cyber information there was an incident I just wondered if anybody else thought that there might be a time there to talk to staff and have staff come and compose more about the robust protocols we're using in more of a secure you know environment obviously it's not something I want to dive into right now while we're online but maybe more of an executive sessions there are others that were interested in that especially based on the situation that came up everyone had none I'll defer to staff they think it's at the level that we should be informed because there's a decision there's a

1:32:30 recommendation that needs to be made that's fine but I know what I don't know and uh that's pretty highly technical stuff and if it's what we've read what it said and if they think that we would benefit from that time expenditure out more for it but not um a lot of things on the agenda we're uh we're prepared to provide any kind of information and background details um Brown's point I'm done um at this point to say what would rise to the board was that other than again we have staff charites there and in the Cyber departments so and the NIS as well as having trouble

1:33:17 folks so again it's um down into Frank's points getting strategic part of the idea of updating and teaching plan was Dei elements is I mean my only thought is that I've been in the organization I don't think we've had kind of a more of a bus like this is and maybe that's for the best maybe we don't need to know but also it's one of our bigger risk points too so it seems like something that we should I just have an idea about it we could provide a background or response that

1:34:03 provides a little more depth to also behind some of this to help what we're doing is that something that we can do things not like online so it's more of a confidential document because again I don't want to expose this to anything so it would be okay sorry sorry um all right that's a and that my last on the emergency water station I did do a kind of kind of the envelope calculation if we like for Howard for example there were 32 000 reported by that one location and if we had you know roughly 16 spigots all that

1:34:49 as it were I mean we're looking at for 10 hours that's one every three minutes that you've got to fill and I know about any of you but visiting the schools in the morning kids to drop off is challenging and so when I look at that and every time I go out in the community I talk about you know we're doing a system where we have these areas where people can come and gather water okay and that's it like you don't have enough there's how can you bring in that many people and get the flow through so I just it gave me a little bit of pause and that that was why I don't know if there's anything else that um in the plan that we work with the city and other agencies and it's already outlined if there are other distribution

1:35:36 sites where water gets put out and we have those identified ahead of time so that other agencies are you know airlifting it in or you know however we get water in um map ahead of time or yes you can refill jugs here but here are also other stations where we plan you know to work with other agencies and we can send out a flyer of sorts that people can look out on our wall maybe that would help with the distribution of it so anyway it's just something that if we plan ahead for it and everybody knows then it comes you know everybody knows that that's where they go our last comment okay we also have thoughts on them teaching planner for you know

1:36:24 one of the questions that I had was when you're talking about the capital budgets for this upcoming year you mentioned that water was going to be over budget by and million or whatever seven have been and electricals are vice versa um I guess my question is one where does that extra money come from is it stuff that was budgeted I mean you mentioned in the electric side some of the stuff was budgeted in a two-year cycle and you're you know it's it's happening fried but one of the the other ones are we planning on that coming out of reserves are you planning on that taking away projects that are in the key in the multi-year financial plan as far as the

1:37:09 the CIP is that something that we have to think about when we're we're looking at a rate design just I can see you know if it's a one-year thing you'd see it but from the way that you guys were talking about Supply chains and all these things these pressures that are on our on our Capital plan I don't see that those are going to be going away I think every year we're going to see so it may not be as significant but there's going to be significant cost overruns and so I'm just wondering how are we planning for that there's there's two elements you mentioned there one's the long-term financial plan with the 10-year Capital plan so Karen and her folks are really going through that right now and

1:37:54 updating for Supply chains and schedules and all these kind of things that then it drops into Finance the other piece is um talking about like this year right so towards the end of the year then the Deb and teams are our financial working people here so they they know pretty much what's coming and so they're also shifting and adjusting for the end of the year could be transfer um we shouldn't say too much but uh there's a just an adjustment made at the end of the year to either take reserves or just other things move money from Capital to audium depending on the mix of things going on

1:38:43 did you want to say anything did I want to say anything yes Rod is right but the finance team does stay in contact with the operations folks building so that we're aware of where they're going to be at your end and uh we were aware that we had pressures this year actually when we looked at what we needed to borrow so that was a piece of what you see in that bar as well we still have yeah I did not know my numbers we still have more conservative assumptions about inflation in the capital plan in coming years and we're um you know I'll say it back and forth it's

1:39:28 an iterative process with Karen's team uh right now so um we'll have more for you all enjoy um and then again on the I noticed that we were on Burleson and we'll think of our capacity in that area I know one of the and we do have a good relationships working with the City of Eugene one of the things that the city is has put into their CIP is building infrastructure out to the industrial areas on Clear Lake Road and I'm just wondering are we are we kind of big correspondence with them they're they're in the next few years of planning on putting water and sewer out

1:40:13 there to hopefully get those large sites developed I would hate to have them throw a bunch of money into Economic Development sites and not have us be able to service them are we on on board with them as far as the infrastructure needs for the Clinton Lake Road area there's a couple things there's long-term plans that both Wally and either do an engineering account for those things and how to position themselves for that and research and correct their position for that then we do have monthly meetings with the planning department that um but we do have monthly meetings too with city folks planners and Engineers

1:40:58 there's concurrence kind of things so there's regular Communications going on so right really nothing is too much of a surprise but that's good to hear Capital intensive Industries like we're in there will always be Ebbs and flows in the inflationary pressures that that you see um one of the the biggest Le I mean we we have to work within the constraints of the budgetary targets that we've set forth in the long-term financial plan I I think if we start to very significantly from that our customers

1:41:43 bear the brunt of that and we all realize how important um affordability is as well as reliability um in in their in their value set one of the biggest pieces of the pie that we have both on the water and the electric side is what's called risk-based and risk-based projects are the ones that you can Flex um when you're trying to deal with in other constraints including including budgetary constraints including constraints that may be driven by outside influences like the city for example the other Flex that we have is we do have a capital reserve and and the finances flow in and out of that capital reserve which tends to buffer things

1:42:28 within a year or two those are sized based roughly on the depreciate the annual depreciation level so there are some Flex Points there but uh you know we're we're going to have to take a hard look at Capital uh work within the constraints that we have on the water side you mentioned it I mean we pulled some projects in we accelerated those and that caused something in one year but we'll have to be able to to adjust and flex in in the in the other years this is this is a long-term um you know part of our business model and we have to be able to work within the constraints that you set as a board that we're trying to achieve for our customers and then be able to make

1:43:13 operational adjustments and financial adjustments accordingly over time so um yeah the the risk based was defined that way very specifically so that we could turn that dial up and down based on some of these external drivers just one comment uh thanks for the the report this is always super helpful um and thanks for presentation all right thank you very much appreciate it next up we have the foreign valuation process professional manager probably has to put this on just to make sure that if anybody wanted to have changes

1:44:00 that from the process that we went through then this was a time to do that so Frank would have the opportunity to know what that process would look like next year and if there aren't any changes then we all have consented that this is the process we would like to if you have any thoughts or updates they'd like to just everybody's just in the past and like us to consider the possibility of having um the folks who directly report to Frank provide us Anonymous feedback on their experience with some of them I think I think that'd be valuable I know Frank my understanding is that they provide that to you in in some format

1:44:47 already some feedback for you but I think uh it could be valuable for us as important to understand where extract reports you know their experience with his work um yeah commissioner McRae um in the past um I I can speak for the the executive team my direct reports they they have felt like their feedback is more useful to come to me directly as opposed to the board in fact they've when we've we've opened up that opportunity to the board they have felt rather uncomfortable about it um now I don't it it isn't something I'm that I'm against um but um I think they have felt like their feedback was

1:45:33 um better to come to me directly they thought that was more useful um but but again I I can see lots of different methods I'm just giving you a little feedback as to why it doesn't exist now it's not because it wasn't offered it was because the executive team didn't feel like that was their best method of of getting me to change my ways I I guess um to to put it that way so um but over time that I will also say that um even through my number of years there's there's been probably three or four different approaches uh that have been used by the board um you know and the most recent one was actually a result of the contract change

1:46:18 that took place which started to incorporate some of the the market adjustments um um as opposed to the board setting the market adjustments it was it was set by the market so um but um if that's something that the board would like me to explore very directly as an assignment with the executive team and my direct reports I'd be happy to do that and follow up with the board um directly on that on that particular request if you'd like I do want to add on this in the past we I've had conversations where we've had the executive team come and Frank isn't on the room then who cares so it's really not Anonymous information either it's

1:47:03 it almost I don't know felt like if you say anything and you're tattling in front of your other you know it's it's that's a very awkward way to do it and I would never recommend doing it that way in the future if you're going to do anything um where maybe just providing the opportunity if there was feedback that the executive team didn't feel comfortable providing directly then that opportunity could be shared with us but other than that because not everybody feels that way maybe they do but I also know that staff will say that something one thing to your face and then do something else not that you are not that you're not a wonderful leader Frank but things do happen anyway no there's nothing preventing staff from coming to us now anonymously is there

1:47:49 you know just send me an email that's not Anonymous it certainly is I'll show you how to do it um but there's they can be anonymous in contact with make a phone call or do whatever they want send me a letter there's uh I don't see anything um you know I to have Anonymous feedback like that then um it creates a situation where there's an allegation or something to that then what we do we're in HR not looking for allegations just looking for performance feedback and thoughts about to help us understand and evaluate Frank because we don't have an ex that experience of being that position

1:48:36 um so now I've been through five of these performance reviews and um they're all really weird and uncomfortable and awkward I think and I just think it's it's hard to figure out what the right process is but there must be something out there that's best practices for born with ours and I'm just curious if we could find out what other boards like ours do how they do performance reviews because somebody else must have figured out the hopefully a good way to do it so anyway I would just be interested in getting information about what um like elected bodies that don't work directly with the person that they're evaluating how they go about doing performance

1:49:23 well for me I mean the only employee we have is Frank so any info when I'm looking to do a performance evaluation any kind of information that the more information that I can get leads me to make better decisions is my feeling um now how we get that information I think goes goes to what Mindy's egg is there is there a better way you know I've been on I've been involved with boards at elected boards but boards where there is a executive or a small subgroup that meets with with staff so it's not a quorum so it's like two members of us

1:50:08 that go and then and then an executive session those people ought to go to what they've learned from the you know from their digging in to the whole to the whole world I don't know if that's a way to go for forward with it but I guess I'm fine moving forward I think we've got a very competent and a very uh good general manager my concern is is that that may not always be the case and being able to find that out early on I I would hate to have a thing where we're not getting feedback that we that could help us

1:50:55 find problems and identify problems and rectify them early on when we when when there isn't that form of information going forward so again I don't have the answer to this but my my goal is always as much information as I could have to make a decision is where I like to leave and leave it to um president Carlson could I wait weigh in yeah I I think in in many ways um the the only Mech I'll say the only the the primary mechanism that the board has for oversight is through the unity of control of the general manager and so um that relationship is is incredibly important

1:51:40 it's it's written in policy that way um as well as your approval of strategic plans and budgets I mean that's that's really the the authority of the board is is primarily through the general manager um in in how those other approvals take place um I will I will say that that there are a number of different mechanisms used across both public and private sector for evaluating the chief executive um those do vary quite a bit whether you're talking about a public organization or a private one to to commissioner barofsky's uh Point um and and quite honestly I think some of that gets designed for the worst of

1:52:26 possible outcomes which is I think where you know what the what the board wants to be able to get visibility into and I and I think that's that's appropriate um I can um work with our HR staff and and look at some other options to bring back to the board that will help facilitate more information for the board and I think that's that's very appropriate um and so um yeah I think I think that that you know providing feedback on um you know the general manager of of which you know I report to or whoever's in this spot reports to all of you um is um is a good thing

1:53:12 um now in return I get to evaluate each of you uh no I'm just kidding um but uh yeah I I think that we can work on something that for the board's consideration um going forward um and that that not just has to do with the performance of the organization but the the leadership of the chief executive in that role and then one last thing is I alluded to if we had a different general manager and things were different we're a very functional board if we have this functional board and we've got somebody that the general manager pissed off and is is throwing Spears in his evaluation you know that's that's

1:53:57 another thing to think about I mean I know a lot a board not too far from here that is having situations with their general manager and and so that's the other side of that coin is if we can set something up that is that is uh Bulletproof I I will president Carlson it I I guess I will take this as a as an action item that um the board would like to find ways to close the loop on the general manager that don't presently exist in the in the most recent um methodology and

1:54:43 um I'll I'll talk to my colleagues and I'll talk to our HR staff to to see how we can supplement is that does that sound like a good action item coming out of this on that one then yeah thank you uh moving on to future board agendas so one of the items up that we want to discuss is the format for the upriver meeting and um broader you otherwise I can throw in a little bit since I asked for it to be added yeah I was going to mention that uh one thing I'll just point out we have a lot

1:55:28 of things already in motion and a lot of of the paperwork and the work and staff times has gone into what's there so um major changes that are going to be challenging um you know tweaks are welcome or maybe you can rule about something like that but as you uh I know there's things under consideration too but the one item that I wanted is a request for us to each have a slide for when we do our presentation I just wanted to engage if others felt comfortable with that or accept the link Overkill that was it so everybody likes that idea again check

1:56:15 after listings at our dentist setting thing I went back and forth it was it was like yeah do I want that not my life story on a big slide behind me you know um I just tend to feel like it's I mean I don't know you know I I like to do that more in a in a verbal form that a slideshow but I can go either way as well it's just a slide right and we just introduce ourselves yeah I think it's a great thing that kind of um to let people know who we are um

1:57:00 I don't know I like the introduction part the part that gave me pause was putting a big slide up there because for me going up there this is not us I'm not I'm not a grandstander sort of person I'm there to listen to them I want to hear their feedback I'm there to answer questions and you know have that Personal Touch which you know we get Berkeley it's just I don't know for some reason the slide thing made it normal but if nobody else has that bomb it's completely fine and willing to let that go I assure you sent that all right I don't want to be about me that's what you're getting yeah it's a little awkward but also you know if the team feels like that's an appropriate

1:57:45 thing and helpful to for the meeting [Laughter] we just wish you could get an opinion out of you John three of us are uncomfortable with the slide so that's enough so I say then

1:58:31 thank you I we still will do introductions we absolutely should do the verbal introduction peace peace commissioner gets a couple of minutes but we just have one welcome slide and I know the the one slide that they typically put up with kind of our areas that's helpful to have but yeah yeah showcase live for each of us thank you that seems like too much okay um yes one other item on the agenda was the um June 14th the work session after listening to some of the feedback in the notes from our previous work session in the uh what we're recommending um instead of what we talked about previously was we'll just

1:59:18 spend that work session on a training session sort of a Pei 101 is this kind of how we're framing it um but with some of the the suggestions that were brought up and Incorporated and then that a future um work session or board session will bring a more path for me to completely banked kind of policy similar to what we did with the resiliency tonight that between that time and trading and some we'll get some other options to follow-up training hopefully then we can have a good discussion about the the policy that we grabbed them so rather than trying to Crown two things in for the June 14th

2:00:03 will be mostly just a dream session it'll be an interactive kind of thing uh we're working on the end of the agenda right now so I'll give you some more details I'll hand those to prank to to show on the one of the ones will that be an open meeting online still working on the format a little bit on that um we'll it'll definitely be a different kind of setting we're intimidating profitably there's some ideas that we have been talking to yeah I would just uh once again that we that at least offline I mean you know it might be an open public meeting for the public can attend but I think having a recorded video and audio doesn't support our candid vulnerable congregate uh questions and conversation

2:00:55 um president Carlson I I I do know that because of covid um the public records laws um did change and um medians that are held with the Quorum of the board do need to offer an electronic version for Public Access as well as in person it doesn't mean we have to record it but it does mean that we have to broadcast it at the time and so um there there is a public records law that that is presently in play that um that does not I mean it it specifically states that it needs to be offered in an electronic media format guides propose executive session then as

2:01:42 long as we're not making decisions um there are various there's a very specific list that you can use for executive sessions and that is not on the list um commissioner McRae it seems like it's it's more like a training kind of meeting I mean I don't know what the guidelines are around that but um every everything when there's a quorum even if it's not a meeting have to be when when you are even training of which something can influence a future decision it is considered a a public meeting it it is not the

2:02:28 equivalent of going to a basketball game or having a dinner um it it does fall into the at least the present way that we are interpreting that um into the public records laws that way so um you know we we would be pushing the edge of the envelope if we if we didn't do it that way unfortunately so I hate to be the bearer of bad news um I have been in Washington DC the greatest of moods but um it seems like it's going to barring something new that we learn it it will have to be offered as a a public meeting we do it we do informational briefings

2:03:13 from staff on two-on-ones yes um less a quorum that yeah less less decorum we can do that I wonder if that training piece could be done it's not ideal you know it's part of our job we're elected officials part of our duty to be open and transparent with okay I think the not having a recording of it so it lives in posterity would be helpful but if there's people that want to tune in you know I think I think there's to your point there's some advantages to

2:03:59 having an open session uh those advantages allow for transparency and and take away the opportunity for somebody to stay you're being misled or of course something that you know that's something you know a newly influencing some different ways so that that is a different uh way to look at it as well okay somebody give me an example of what would be said if we didn't publicize a meeting versus if we did just give me a topic or a generalization of how uh by restricting the exposure of this meeting content

2:04:44 um I mean I just I'm lost so help me well somebody might ask for clarification on the definition of something okay that might make them feel um ignorant for not knowing the answer I already know I make her I mean I already know this this whole topic is going to be equal I'm not talking about anything about me okay I know I might want to ask a question for a definition of something that maybe I should understand that I don't and now it's out in the public that I don't understand what trans means I don't I don't know so but that's the idea is that it would allow us to ask questions that might be uncomfortable if we know everybody's especially if it's recorded it just makes her a more candid conversation I I get that because I'm

2:05:30 I'm totally lost I mean you get a little guy like me yeah but I'm trying to stay up I'm trying to be respectful and trying to understand it but yeah so I've got to know the rules before I can break them yeah and uh and so once I'm told the rule or what the expectations are then then I'm okay with trying to adhere to it be respectful and then I don't want to I don't have to okay but uh absolutely Commissioners I yeah I do understand this was not the request or the desire of the board um it it is the the statutory requirement that we have unfortunately um we don't have to record it uh but we do have to offer it via Electronic media uh when there's a a quorum and uh a

2:06:16 meeting of the board even if that's for training so um you know I unfortunately I have to report that to the board uh in this way um but that's the statutory requirement that we have um given that we're a public entity I'm gonna just throw out there that because we're very functional board we're very respectful of one another but we're in a good place to do this work in a public way to inspire others to take the step and I think that's going to be uncomfortable for all of us but being open and transparent about all of it and understanding that hey this isn't uncomfortable because we don't know it

2:07:02 all but we're willing and trying to learn having it recorded and just acknowledging that and asking for the Public's convenience with us hey hopefully this will inspire other organizations that are grappling with these topics to take that step too the plain Devil's Advocate to the conversation silence it's okay we can do it in public like we're totally capable and I completely agree very respectful board I just don't think well how do you have it's a deep conversation as we could

2:07:47 otherwise that's all like if we have to do it in public that's how it is and that's the conversation behind and I'm just going to just getting over and over can we sit closer together so so for me again I'm I'm in the in the ignorant Camp here right but the outcomes that I want to get out of this is that we aren't uncomfortable saying these things that's the whole idea behind the Dei

2:08:33 policy is that we can say things from a from a space of knowledge and not from a space of ignorance and so if I say something that sounds ignorant in a training session that is the absolutely appropriate space for me to say it so that I could so that I can learn from it and know that that was not the right mindset to be having to to go down a true Dei thickness and if we're the ones that are setting this policy that's where we've got to get to it can't be I don't want to say it so I'm not going to say it that doesn't do us any good at least my

2:09:20 understanding of the goal that we're trying to achieve so I I you've got to put it out there and and we're a policy setting follows body and if we can't put it out there to help guide the policy what good is that policy going to be you know and I do appreciate the vulnerability this this puts people out this is not greenhouse gas numbers and these are these are the people rights right the safety and the community culture kind of things for affordability and and reliability and environment you know those are kind of the kind of science Network kind of things and so when we're talking about the people things like this there's there's some vulnerable

2:10:05 situations because we all come in at different levels right so uh and we recognize that and we spend a couple hours talking about the session training and all that uh in in understanding everybody's starting point so hopefully we'll give enough materials ahead of time too that maybe some more Comfort coming into it um we could talk about the space even and how important the space is and maybe not using laptops just there's different ways that they can help so I'm also willing to to the extent possible

2:10:53 have more questions or think about some of that ahead of time because I've been through a couple of these trainings and maybe asked some of those questions that are more vulnerable that maybe others wouldn't feel comfortable asking so to try to get that out there so it's not you know attributed to any one person oh I can't believe so and so said this you know let's do that work and try to get it out there and from it that way there's anything that's particular question or things that you'd like to dive into more than willing to keep that piece on

2:11:39 okay so I think we need we need some thoughts then on you so it sounds like we won't have computers we can do the broadcasting from the just the one camera and and there's a desire to not have it recorded or take the other step of having it recorded but having it be just on the one camera just want to make sure we're giving stuff a perfect Direction well we've got another board meeting with more than actually two right got up whatever and then we've got the June we're not going to talk about it I know but president Carlson I believe we have enough guidance at this point um that but I I would suggest that this

2:12:24 is going to be because it's a group discussion we'll we'll have a group broadcast um such as you recommended so um we'll we'll uh I think if we need any further guidance we do have one opportunity between now and then to gather more information as well as our one-on-one sessions so we'll reach out if we need anything more for like everything good to inspire others but I don't want to limit our conversation okay thank you for that and anything else on future board objectives

2:13:10 yeah okay and that we will have questions about them just so you know I'm hearing a lot about in this bridge so many answers on that so it's gonna stop particular topic Maybe I just have a question about protocol having been through a brother long series of well-intended up-river

2:13:56 meetings for life of a better term um who's going to keep the clock and who's going to keep the gavel we're gonna give them two minutes or three yes we have them throughout the timer but that doesn't and that's entirely up to this board is there an ending time for the meeting or is it until everybody who wants to have spoken or how does how does that work I think what we had on their wishes

2:14:57 um you know if if the board should desire this we could break up the um the meeting into a an area of formal discussion and have a time limit on that and then there could be an informal uh period of time after that which I think is is how we set it up um the goal was to provide interaction and the opportunity for Commissioners to have conversation and answer questions but if the board wanted to put an outside um you know boundary backstop around that that that could be done [Music] in hours what is directly on the schedule

2:15:44 and then there's 30 minutes before that of sorry there's 30 minutes of the presentation and then there's an hour okay do we have a desire so that's it's 5 30 to 6 and we I think we've typically been up there until what 7 30 . but may I ask a couple of those questions just from experience point is that you may want to have a protocol in line in case somebody doesn't want to give up the podium until we answer or whatever it becomes at that point where you just a gamble the meeting out take a 10 minute recess or whatever and then the other thing I would think that you may want to consider is uh talking points for us because I you know I don't

2:16:29 want to get in the corner and have somebody said well Brown said that uh we'd be guaranteed access we don't have to use good pasture Bridge or what I mean I don't want to make sure that in a casual conversation it could be misinterpreted misread or you know and then labeled with us later because it just creates more animosity down the road I want to keep this peaceful and so we can hear them uh and so I don't want to give back you know because I don't have any information I just got to listen to what your concerns are but just make sure that we have some talking points that would help us out when we have some already but you know staff wants to give us more the things that keep us in a good relationship with the upper people I think that would be helpful

2:17:15 as far as the timing of public comment or you know the thing maybe what we we say is you know we've got 50 minutes for public comment we're going to allow you guys two minutes a piece which gives us 40 people um if if somebody's already said kind of like what they do at the city of EG that they're public if somebody's already said what you said you can try to keep it short I don't know that might be a way and and we can always we could you know if we get to the end and there's three people that haven't spoken you know we can extend it or something like that but if we set a parameter at the beginning that gives them an idea and I don't know what that is a little bit different and with this format because there's been more of a back and forth conversation where they you know get up and say something and then we may respond and

2:18:00 then that takes a few minutes um so it's not just a supporting sort of conversation but I mean we can try to gauge the room and see how it's going and then there's more want Liam can ask I can kind of look around and get head knowledge should we keep going should we stop it here I mean at some point we need to we need to wrap it and get to the next phase but there is um there is the also the opportunity to just really to if I'm calling on people to spread it around the room to make sure that each person who wants to the talk is giving it so it's not one person just

2:18:46 president Carlson um oh I was just gonna yeah I can hold my thought questions and topics that people had sent me that they wanted addressed so I know that he put that on to staff um but I do think that in the short 10-minute presentation on the um on Liebert that happens before the q a just to make sure that we address like the like three main things that people are going to have questions about so that when people do ask questions they're not asking about the same topic over and over so the bridge that that's

2:19:32 going to be number one the park number two and I can't remember what one of the other ones were on my list but just to make sure that that is included right up front like these are the things we know these are the things that we don't know these are your concerns just so that um other people get a chance to ask questions and it's not just singularly focused on okay and then Frank yeah I was I was just going to point out that the format of this is a little bit different we are we are going to the upriver community um it is designed to be a little bit more interactive um but I'm also going to suggest that it's okay to have a specific end time

2:20:19 and part of that is we have 12 other open meetings a year that anyone can come and provide their opinions on and so this is this is a special meeting that we do for three percent of our um of of our customer base and we are going to them to talk and listen and listen to their issues um but it's not necessarily it there there's also some boundaries to put on that as well um because they do have lots of opportunities to interact with this board and I know all of you listen intently to the feedback and answer questions uh from them throughout the year um we will and and there's been a lot of Outreach um you know 20 plus meetings

2:21:05 um on this topic alone and um we will get you some further study materials prior to that meeting as part of your board packet thank you really the idea of having end time I also like how you phrased it of these are the concerns we've heard already and he's here's what we're working on or we don't know because that that does stop a lot okay yeah I have my meeting with the by liaison meeting with the Mackenzie Watershed Council next Thursday so I can ask them what if they have any concerns and maybe ask them to give us a shout out too because they've been very uh appreciative to what as to what evidence done for the Watershed

2:21:51 over the years and we'll get some positive in Bangkok at the might have fallen as well trust him okay well be prepared see what we can do to just moderate it and you've got everybody's got their hard hats right we all wear our construction hands get along one other item that I brought up during our meeting was do we want to have the Watershed investment portion be first or we want to end with that one and start with Lee Burke the only reason I brought that up is that we've done a lot of work

2:22:36 on the McKinsey and I would hope that people are appreciative of the the work up there and it might soften some of the other conversation around leader but maybe not maybe it's better to just flow right into it it was just an idea all right thank you everyone think that's it then we are

2:23:25 yeah so does anybody have anything on board wrap up we're adjourned thanks everyone